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Morfoot 
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 Posted: July-06-2021 at 8:33am |
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As long as you're using the right oil with the proper amount of ZDDP you'll be okay!
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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KENO
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Posted: July-06-2021 at 6:50am |
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Normally I stay out of these arguments, like the spindle discussion last week, but.................if there's punishment to be given out to MrMcD, this is just to juicy to resist
So I will boldly go out on the same limb as Mark and say that unless the spindle got bent or blued from excess heat, you won't need a new spindle or axle. Since the shop will be seeing it up close and personal, they should be able to give you a good answer. I'll take my punishment right next to him butt bent over with plenty of lube. Now should that lube be synthetic or natural  |
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MrMcD
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Posted: July-06-2021 at 3:24am |
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Wow, first time I have seen that failure. Your nut, cotter pin and lock are in place? The Seal is still in place but the bearing rollers are all gone? The hub is gone the brakes are gone?
My guess, yep I will go right out on the limb and take the heat. Your hub fractured, I can't see any other way the wheel can be gone and leave all those parts on your axle spindle. It looks like the inner bearing cones are still on your spindle. There is a chance you will pull the nut and pull off both bearing cones to find the spindle looking just fine IF the dragging on the ground did not grind all the way through the lower half of the bearing cones and damage that axle spindle. It very well might have but another positive, you don't show excessive heat on that spindle, no blueing. Your brake drum is also the hub on trailer hubs with brakes and it is bolted to the wheel. I am trying to wrap my mind around the failure fracturing the hub causing enough heat to light the grease on fire and still leaving the key axle components on the spindle looking pretty good. I suspect the hub fractured, maybe a hard pot hole hit, when the hub fractured the bearings started falling apart letting the brake drag on the drum, the heat that lit the fire was the brake dragging on the drum before the total failure happened. It does not even look like the seal burned up, it is still in place and seems to be in shape. Terrible failure on the road but it looks like you got off lucky on this one. Can you share a picture of the brake drum? That would be interesting to see. If I am all wet on this one I will take the punishment standing up.
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gun-driver
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 11:04pm |
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cotter pin is still good, you should be good to go!,
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Donald80SN
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 10:20pm |
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Speedy Sleeve !!!!!!!!
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ultrarunner
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 7:17pm |
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Ha, no kidding guys. That spindle will wind up on the shelf with a few failed aircraft components I've collected over the years. A few of the latter left me stranded WAY further than a few hundred miles from home
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Morfoot
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 6:41pm |
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Damn it Ken ....ya beat me to it! That spindle will buff out. Just polish it up a bit and she'll be good as new! |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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KENO
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 6:26pm |
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You dun did it now Mark
With that one picture, you're bound to generate at least 5 or 6 opinions on whether that spindle will be able to be reused
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ultrarunner
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 6:19pm |
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Ha Ken, good point...
So, BoatUS lined up Tommy's Towing, out of Culpepper, so they had some driving to get to the boat and then to Lake Ann. Insured and DOT'd, and they do heavy-duty stuff, so felt fine with them. They were sending a roll-off and were well briefed the wheel was off and to NOT leave it behind.  As of an hour ago, dispatch said they were just about to Louisa. I'm expecting a call shortly verifying delivery. I'll hook up with the shop on the phone tomorrow after they've inspected the trailer, and we'll come up with a plan of action.... At a minimum, new axle, hub, brakes and bearings on the right side. Possibly a new drum and heat shield? I'll have them pull the left side apart and inspect. I'm guessing we'll do new brakes/actuator and a hub and whatever else needs attention on that side. Thoughts on bearing buddies? As you all know, I trailer a LOT, so don't mind spending the bucks to do it all right. Here's a post-fire pic after the smoke cleared and I dragged it to parking. The drum is still attached to the wheel. The brake shoes fell out when the wheel came off as I entered the parking lot, still smoking when I walked up to them...  |
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KENO
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 5:50pm |
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So how'd the boat and trailer get hauled the 60 or so miles from Warrenton to Louisa? It's been almost 4 hrs, it must be there Ya can't just leave this episode of the story unfinished
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MrMcD
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 2:42pm |
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That is a very long distance to leave the boat behind, you are doing well to get this taken care of so quickly. The pucker factor must be huge.
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ultrarunner
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 2:23pm |
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Yep, should all work out. Boat is about 400 miles away. |
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MrMcD
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 2:18pm |
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The U Haul trailer used to transport the Ski Tique has an open center section, that would make it hard to work with having the bad axle. I think a solid platform, mine has a steel full deck or even some have a full wood deck would do the job easier but that is now for the next broken candidate to mull over. If the boat is larger than a 196 a car trailer is too small for sure.
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MrMcD
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 2:12pm |
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That is a good outcome. Glad you are making it happen. How far from home is the boat?
Mark
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ultrarunner
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 1:56pm |
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UPDATE...
Ok, so, I take my neighbor across the street skiing along with his kids;-). Told him my story last night at fireworks on his lawn.... His brother, a bank President, in VA, not far from my boat, bankrolls a facility in Louisa that can do the repair. Likely turned around by end of next week. Boat will be there in an hour or so.... Steady as she goes....
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KENO
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 1:29pm |
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That would be Timmy Benjamin Billy Bob and here are a couple of his adventures bringing a project home, not bringing a good boat home that could turn into a pile of junk somewhere along the way A little skinnier and smaller boat and trailer Click on the link below for some pictures And if you keep reading after the pictures, you'll see his comment to Zonour about whether a 98 SN would fit |
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 1:00pm |
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Feel bad for ya ultra, like losing your wallet feeling
Gonna be a run on pullers, mini grease guns, at harbor freight tomorrow |
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Donald80SN
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 12:50pm |
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Seems like I remember Tim B. Using a U-Haul Car Trailer to move a Tique while still on a trailer. I do realize the Tique is likely a smaller boat than yours. You may want to check the dimension of a U Haul car hauler. Get a Come A long Jack to pull it on the trailer.
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MrMcD
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 12:48pm |
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In your case one wheel is gone, that side would be supported on a dolly or floor jack. Assuming single axle trailer? A slide bed is best of course but it sounds like he has to go some distance to pick it up.
My Nautique is parked right next to my car trailer so I did think before commenting. If the trailer is a double axle you can strap the dead axle up and run home on three tires.
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 11:13am |
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Yep, been on the phone trying to locate one.
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KENO
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 10:18am |
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Hire one of these instead of Billy Joe Jim Bob and his second cousin putting a boat on a trailer on top of another trailer. What could possibly go wrong with that setup? Plenty of these roll back car carriers are wide and long enough to handle your load safely and get it back home to CT or to someplace down there to repair it. And they're insured for what they do And maybe your insurance covers the ride to wherever  |
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 9:54am |
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When this happens the bearing welds itself to the axle. You guys putting together a kit should include a puller. When it happened to me I had spare bearings etc.. but no puller. I ended up using a small car jack to put pressure between the bearing and the back plate and kept hitting the bearing with a hammer until it came off. I got lucky and was back on the road a few hours later. Nothing like watching your trailer wheel pass you up and head off into the desert!
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Morfoot
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 9:07am |
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I think with most of us who trailer its not a matter of if it happens but WHEN! Exact same thing happened to me towing Kermit to Badin Lake mini a few years ago. Heading up I-85 in Greenville SC guy pulls up next to me tells me trailer is smoking. Pull into some discount clothing warehouse store off to the side of the building and start investigating. Not Good.. Owner sees me on Security Cam and walks out to check to see what's going on. Sees the mess and offers to help. Drove me to local Northern Tool where I got a hub, and tools to cut the race that got "welded" to the axle. Got all cleaned up put a new hub on his carriage and off I went. There are still great people n this world. Didn't know him from Adam but he helped me to No end. I always trailered with a trailer roadside repair kit but obviously wasnt prepared for this scenario. I've helped a few CCFans with trailer problems a couple times. Hopefully all will work out for you. Those of you that read this post. Learn from it. Be prepared and take a trailer hub with you and the tools to fix if you're stranded.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 9:03am |
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So, at this point, I'm inclined to get it home like McD suggested. I've got it out on U-ship. No way I can get out of my trip this week, or I'd go grab it. If anyone knows of someone local to that area with a trailer that will haul it, shoot me a note. Boat is in a parking lot off Rt. 17, just outside Warrenton, VA. Thanks.
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 8:04am |
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Yeah, I’m 8 feet tire edge to tire edge.
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Posted: July-05-2021 at 6:15am |
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I think his boat trailer is a little too wide to just easily winch up on a car trailer that typically has a bed about 7 feet wide, unless you find a really W-I-D-E bed trailer
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Posted: July-04-2021 at 7:14pm |
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Thanks McD, I learned this evening my neighbor has a brother local to where my boat is and he’s a boater and knows a trailer guy. So likely it’ll get towed tomorrow. Couldn’t have happen at a worse time for me as I start a 7-day trip on Tuesday. But my rig should be in good hands until I can get down and grab it.
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Posted: July-04-2021 at 6:45pm |
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We dip our trailers in water many times each summer and then park them all winter, any water inside will start rusting parts. If we went though the bearings every fall and parked the boat on clean dry grease every winter there would be no bearing failures but who does that? I do inspect mine every single year and fix as necessary each spring when motivated to use the boat again.
I have lost bearing buddies in the past, the last 10+ years I started wiping a thin film of silicone around the bearing buddy surface that taps into the hub. Have not lost one since. Trailered one last year 500 miles over very tough roads just after service and they all stayed put. Finished install at 9 pm and departed at 5 am with no issues. Ultra runner I would borrow or rent a car trailer with a winch and go get your boat. Who knows what will be stolen if it sits. Take something to put the bad axle on while you drag it on the trailer. Floor jack or dolly wheels would do. I have a car trailer with a 16’ bed, it would be no trouble to load a trailer and boat and mine only has a hand winch. I hauled my son’s Ford Excursion Diesel onto the trailer when it died, those are 7,500 pounds and we pulled it with the hand winch. Your boat would be easy.
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KENO
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Posted: July-04-2021 at 5:14pm |
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Maybe it's because nobody is sitting in those trailers to feel the bearing going to hell, things shaking all over the place and telling the driver to pull over
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Posted: July-04-2021 at 5:04pm |
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Ok, so, feet-dry back in SW CT. VA state police keeping an eye on the boat. Clearly, BOAT US 24 hr roadside has fine print.
With that said, I have two options. Make calls tomorrow, or more likely Tuesday when things are open and have it hauled someplace locally for a repair, OR, find someone that can load it and haul it home for a repair. I’m leaning to the former. As far as repairs, conventional wisdom would dictate drums, hubs/bearings, brakes and axles on both sides....trailer is a Prestige that came with the boat in 1996. I trailer a LOT. I’m not opposed to getting a new trailer as well.... |
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