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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

The numbers on that tag that's on the float bowel screw is what you need,that's an original Autolite Ford carb. Had the same on my Holman Moody. Napa might have access to a kit


Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Looks like an Autolite 2100 to me.

That tag screwed to the right front of the fuel bowl cover will have the info you need for parts, rebuild kit etc.

I think that was the original equipment marine carburetor on your engine back then although it probably didn't have all the features that a later marine carburetor does.

Rebuild parts or a kit are available and they're a very dependable carburetor.


You know guys, the dumb thing is I saw that tag (Obviously, it's sitting right there!) but the grease was so heavy on it I thought it was the patina of the metal and nothing was written on it anymore.   Hahaha. You're right of course, it's an autolite.



So, in addition to that master list of all the advice you two and everyone else gave me, I just need the info from that tag and NAPA should be able to sleuth down the correct rebuild kit? Out of curiosity, how hard is it to rebuild a carburetor? Is it even necessary? Can it simply be cleaned? I want this thing ready to rock so I'm willing to dive into whatever you tell me to as long as you believe I'm not getting in over my head.

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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

I've been working on my typing    It worked but I needed more power so I put on the 4bbl! A little nervous about the overflow but I never had any trouble with it. I did notice that with the Holley that it did start easier.


Working on my typing too, more work needed obviously but between us we got him covered on the carburetor. At least we gave him the same info.

I've had them or a variation of them on quite a few land based Fords in the 60's, 70's and 80's..

The truck that moves white stuff around in the winter still runs good with a later Autolite 2150 on it.
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I've been working on my typing    It worked but I needed more power so I put on the 4bbl! A little nervous about the overflow but I never had any trouble with it. I did notice that with the Holley that it did start easier.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

The numbers on that tag that's on the float bowel screw is what you need,that's an original Autolite Ford carb. Had the same on my Holman Moody. Napa might have access to a kit


I almost said Gary S can tell you about this carburetor. You're just faster than I am this morning Gary
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Looks like an Autolite 2100 to me.

That tag screwed to the right front of the fuel bowl cover will have the info you need for parts, rebuild kit etc.

I think that was the original equipment marine carburetor on your engine back then although it probably didn't have all the features that a later marine carburetor does.

Rebuild parts or a kit are available and they're a very dependable carburetor.
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The numbers on that tag that's on the float bowel screw is what you need,that's an original Autolite Ford carb. Had the same on my Holman Moody. Napa might have access to a kit
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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

Did you figure out which engine you have? The casting number will give you the year. Just because the boat is a 68 doesn't mean it has a 68 engine. A lot back then had blocks and heads from the year before. My 66 Mustang had a 65 block and 64 heads. How many bolts are on the bell housing? The casting numbers will end like C8 which is 68, C7 is 67 etc.


Tim D, I'm pretty sure we figured it out. Not necessarily the year perhaps, but the size which is what I needed to narrow down parts and part numbers and stuff.

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:


Just clean the carburetor and install a rebuild kit. Put a picture here or some numbers from the carburetor.


Keno, here's some pics of the carburetor. There is a tough-to-read stamp on one side. It's a circle with the number 120 inside and maybe some small writing around the inner circumference of the circle. Hope that's enough!





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Did you figure out which engine you have? The casting number will give you the year. Just because the boat is a 68 doesn't mean it has a 68 engine. A lot back then had blocks and heads from the year before. My 66 Mustang had a 65 block and 64 heads. How many bolts are on the bell housing? The casting numbers will end like C8 which is 68, C7 is 67 etc.
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Originally posted by vandykd3 vandykd3 wrote:

Yo, forgive the late responses. It's a busy time of year!

So, I've gathered all your help and advice and any final questions:

Spark Plugs: Autolite 45 plugs

Spark Plug Wires: Reasonably priced suppression type wires. Should I buy wire and ends separately and make up the length needed as suggested by 8122pbrainard, or is there a fool proof way of getting them the correct length?

Engine Oil: I'll use a 15w40 diesel oil of any brand knowing you guys have all kinds of opinions on your go-to brands!    However, whatever oil I use, I'll make sure it has ZDDP content between 1200 and 1500 ppm since that is critical to protecting the flat tappet cam (whatever the hell that is )

Transmission Fluid: A Dexron 3 transmission fluid also will be just fine.

Distributor: I'll replace the points, distributor cap and condenser not the whole distributor. I'll keep in mind it's a crab cap distributor and be sure to stick with that type. I'll be sure to buy the complete tuneup kit with the cap to save money. While I'm in there, I'll check the advance springs. I'll have to do some research yet on what exactly those are and how to check them, but if they're bad, am I hearing keno correctly that I'd have to look for vintage replacements that cost a *************** load!?

Carburetor: I've forgotten to deal with the carburetor as mentioned by keno many posts above. He said it should have ID tags or info stamped on it to help identify it. Do I need to identify it and replace it? Or am I just cleaning it?

Parts: I'll be getting this stuff from NAPA down the street from me. If I understood correctly, I can use Sierra or Mallory part numbers because they are the same number and come from the same warehouse? I'm a little confused because a few posts up, Gary S said he has the same distributor and got his genuine Mallory parts at Summit. Though they're not cheap, it's good quality stuff, for example the Sierra cap has aluminum contacts while the Mallory has brass. If the part numbers are the same, how can they have different contacts? I'm hearing brass is better.

Reply to dochockey: I boat on West Lake in Portage, MI about 90 minutes from Lake James. It's August 9, and I'll definitely look into attending!   

Final things: Other than that, I'll be sure to follow the directions in the manual when doing this work. I remember seeing in there that you have drip a few drops of this on that or smear a little bit of that there and stuff like that. Once I'm done and it's purring in the water, I'll be sure to update a pic of your handiwork! You all have been so great.   


You got a few names mixed up at times but who cares

Gary has Mallory part numbers in the chart he posted. Can't beat Mallory parts for their distributors but the NAPA/Sierra will work fine, depends what you want to spend..

If you get a universal wire kit the wires are plenty long and you can cut them to length before installing the ends.

Just clean the carburetor and install a rebuild kit. Put a picture here or some numbers from the carburetor.

Put those neighbors to good use but make sure they know they're working with a reverse rotation boat engine
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Yo, forgive the late responses. It's a busy time of year!

So, I've gathered all your help and advice and any final questions:

Spark Plugs: Autolite 45 plugs

Spark Plug Wires: Reasonably priced suppression type wires. Should I buy wire and ends separately and make up the length needed as suggested by 8122pbrainard, or is there a fool proof way of getting them the correct length?

Engine Oil: I'll use a 15w40 diesel oil of any brand knowing you guys have all kinds of opinions on your go-to brands!    However, whatever oil I use, I'll make sure it has ZDDP content between 1200 and 1500 ppm since that is critical to protecting the flat tappet cam (whatever the hell that is )

Transmission Fluid: A Dexron 3 transmission fluid also will be just fine.

Distributor: I'll replace the points, distributor cap and condenser not the whole distributor. I'll keep in mind it's a crab cap distributor and be sure to stick with that type. I'll be sure to buy the complete tuneup kit with the cap to save money. While I'm in there, I'll check the advance springs. I'll have to do some research yet on what exactly those are and how to check them, but if they're bad, am I hearing keno correctly that I'd have to look for vintage replacements that cost a *************** load!?

Carburetor: I've forgotten to deal with the carburetor as mentioned by keno many posts above. He said it should have ID tags or info stamped on it to help identify it. Do I need to identify it and replace it? Or am I just cleaning it?

Parts: I'll be getting this stuff from NAPA down the street from me. If I understood correctly, I can use Sierra or Mallory part numbers because they are the same number and come from the same warehouse? I'm a little confused because a few posts up, Gary S said he has the same distributor and got his genuine Mallory parts at Summit. Though they're not cheap, it's good quality stuff, for example the Sierra cap has aluminum contacts while the Mallory has brass. If the part numbers are the same, how can they have different contacts? I'm hearing brass is better.

Reply to dochockey: I boat on West Lake in Portage, MI about 90 minutes from Lake James. It's August 9, and I'll definitely look into attending!   

Final things: Other than that, I'll be sure to follow the directions in the manual when doing this work. I remember seeing in there that you have drip a few drops of this on that or smear a little bit of that there and stuff like that. Once I'm done and it's purring in the water, I'll be sure to update a pic of your handiwork! You all have been so great.   
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Where do you boat ?
there is a reunion this July on Lake James you should plan on attending
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Originally posted by swilliams swilliams wrote:

While you're in that distributor, check the advance springs. They're a little harder to come by if they're bad.


That's an understatement.Good point Steve

Every now and then a YL spring kit will show up on EBAY usually for a ridiculous price.

I won't say whether or not I've paid that ridiculous price at one time though
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While you're in that distributor, check the advance springs. They're a little harder to come by if they're bad.
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Aw Hell, buy local at NAPA.

Usually if they don't have the stuff which may very well be the case they can have it the next day.

That'll keep Pete happy too
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You guys are great. Your help is making this possible for me. Can't believe there's so much nuance to parts and products!

Other than hoping my new spark plus wires are the same lengths, it looks like I'm good to go. Guess I'll head over to NAPA this week(end) and pick things up unless you think I should order online from one of this sites sponsors or somewhere. Thanks!
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:



It's just one big incestuous industry where plenty of outfits are related through being bought out by bigger outfits and all those old names are either gone or owned by a big conglomerate.


Yup. I ordered a new mallory distributor from CP Performance in CA last year, I found them by searching the distributor. Anyway, the package arrives and its from Sierra, in the mid west (IL?) and is a Sierra part with a Sierra number. although it is the exact mallory distributor. I later learned that mallory marine sold out to/became Sierra.



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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Gary,
Also, As Ken mentioned, Napa can use part numbers to cross reference. I also printed out the list because my 312 has the Mallory and I figure in about 15 years I'll need a tune up! But, I'll also wait to see if you can find your list or use Kens.


It's not much of a cross referencing job, since the part numbers are the same and they come from the same warehouse in Litchfield Illinois

It's just one big incestuous industry where plenty of outfits are related through being bought out by bigger outfits and all those old names are either gone or owned by a big conglomerate.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

I think it's in Quinner's interceptor thread that Pete actually admitted to having a Sierra tune up kit for his Dunphy but of course he never used it   

Quinner had the normal cap so the rotor and cap numbers would be different but the condenser and points are the same.

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You are correct regarding the Sierra kit mentioned in CQ's Classic thread. In my own defense, it was before I had access to the internet up here searching the internet wasn't as good as today plus, the real big one is I didn't ask you to come up with the part numbers!


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I think it's in Quinner's interceptor thread that Pete actually admitted to having a Sierra tune up kit for his Dunphy but of course he never used it   

Quinner had the normal cap so the rotor and cap numbers would be different but the condenser and points are the same.
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Gary,
FYI, the only reason I posted the link that has the Sierra parts is if you click on the actual part, there are OEM selections! Also, As Ken mentioned, Napa can use part numbers to cross reference. I also printed out the list because my 312 has the Mallory and I figure in about 15 years I'll need a tune up! But, I'll also wait to see if you can find your list or use Kens.


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I have got to type faster some where though I have the official list
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Look a couple posts back Gary, I gave him Mallory numbers.

You could double check my numbers just to be sure though.
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You of all people referring him to Sierra! Let me do some searching for part numbers,l have the same distributor,got my genuine Mallory parts at Summit. Not cheap cap is 50,points around 20,rotor about 15 but good quality stuff, for example the Sierra cap has aluminum contacts,the Mallory has brass.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

I'll give you some suggestions in the order you asked about things. I'll say suggestions because all of this stuff have something else substituted depending on somebody's personal preference.

The MS oil designation disappeared long ago. If you used a 15w40 diesel oil of any brand you'd be fine,but you'll get all kinds of opinions on oil Shell, Chevron, Mobil Uncle Wally's Super Tech for a few examples.

Like I said, you'll get other opinions on most of this stuff based on personal preferences people have but all this stuff will work.


What ever oil you use, make sure it has ZDDP content between 1200 and 1500 ppm, that is critical to protecting the flat tappet cam.
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The Sierra numbers will work if you go to your local NAPA store. Make sure you read the notes in the page Pete linked. Yhey'll tell you the complete tuneup kit with the cap is 18-5272 and the price is better than the individual parts

If you want some Mallory part numbers here you go

points    25042

condenser    400

cap   221

rotor 319

Keep in mind that you have the crab cap as it's called and you can't substitute a regular stack style Mallory cap because they have slightly different diameters and it would be a loose sloppy fit on your distributor.

Plenty of places on line for the Sierra 18-5272, here's one example
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Sierra marine part numbers for Mallory YL distributors Scroll down to the 519 Dearborn listing.

Some plug wires may need to be trimmed in length if you purchase a kit.. For vintage engines, I've always bought wire and ends separately and make up the length needed.


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Thanks Keno. That's a great help. Looks like I'm really close to having identified all the correct parts and products to get.

One final question about plug wires. When I buy them, will they automatically be the correct lengths just by telling them it's a Ford Interceptor 289?

As far as the distributor goes, I took a couple pics hoping that'll help you advice me on what to get.

It's a Mallory distributor, Model: YL   Type: 519 BO   



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I'll give you some suggestions in the order you asked about things. I'll say suggestions because all of this stuff have something else substituted depending on somebody's personal preference.

Autolite 45 plugs will work just fine (it's a short easy to remember number }

Get a reasonably priced set of suppression type plugwires. Nothing special or marine specific about them but suppression wires keep radio interference down as you cruise by the neighbors house.

The MS oil designation disappeared long ago. If you used a CJ-4 rated 15w40 diesel oil of any brand you'd be fine,but you'll get all kinds of opinions on oil Shell, Chevron, Mobil Uncle Wally's Super Tech for a few examples.

A Dexron 3 transmission fluid also will be just fine. Borg Warner manuals will tell you this .Early on the Ford type A suffix A was used then Dexron 3 was recommended after that.

You may want to replace the points, distributor cap and condenser not the whole distributor. You'll need to know what brand distributor you have or take a picture and post it here.

You mention neighbors with experience, they should be able to help you with a carburetor job and with the distributor. If you take a picture of it with the flame arrestor removed and post it somebody will tell you what it is.

Both the carburetor and distributor would have had ID tags or stamped ID's on them originally. They may still be there to help you identify them.

Like I said, you'll get other opinions on most of this stuff based on personal preferences people have but all this stuff will work.
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Thank you everyone for your knowledge and advice. You've really helped set me on the right path. Thankfully, I have not run the engine out of the water so I don't have to worry about that, but thanks for the warning. Since I read all your posts, I've done some research. I've learned some things and encountered needs for further advice/clarification.   

Spark Plugs:   The manual says Champion UF9Y plugs. They're still for sale on Ebay and elsewhere, but apparently I can simply use an alternative plug. This website here has two links to alternatives and there are different plugs listed on each one. Can someone help me figure out which is correct or if there is a superior plug I should select?

http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/convert/CHAMP_PN/UF-9Y
http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/convert/CHAMP_PN/UF9Y

Spark Plug Wires: My basic question is how do I know how to order the correct type and lengths. Am I understanding correctly that I need a stainless steel core wire for marine use? The wires are really easy to access, so would high performance wires be a waste of money?

Engine oil: The manual recommends 30w (MS) for warm weather operation. What does the MS stand for? Do I simply walk into an auto parts store and ask for it? Or is this obtained from a marine supplier?

Transmission Fluid: Automotive Type "A" suffix "A" is listed. Researching this got really confusing about which ATF to select as there are different brands and generations to sort through. It's looking like some formula of Dexron, but I could really use some guidance here!

Distributor and points: Someone told me to replace these as part of the tune-up. The manual says distributors seldom require extensive repairs. Not sure what that would mean, but should I do this? Remember, I have help from two of my neighbors who have all the tools and enough knowledge to work on their own cars their whole lives.

Other than that, I guess I need to clean the carburetor. It floods easily on a cold start and the manual says this is caused in many instances by dirt, water, or other foreign substance in the carburetor. Is this easy to do?

Again, many thanks.   
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