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Riley
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Posted: December-04-2022 at 8:08am |
Great to see a post about an old Correct Craft coming back to life. Our 312 had blow by which was resolved by changing the PCV valve. I used the same one that the PCM Fords take. That boat will look great with a turquoise bottom. I think that trailer is a #3, at least that's what PO told me. I've only seen it in pictures.
Marty Mabe has been a good source for vent window parts.
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quinner
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OK, thank you Ken, new parts in hand and toolbox ready!!
And so it resume's, renamed this thread to begin the journey of the full resto, quick recap on the anticipated path: Been running the boat a bit, new plugs and fresh oil/filter, actually just did another change to flush out the years of crud, a dose of restore on the first change, marvel added for the second, first change turned black again relatively quickly, 2nd time seems to be the charm. Next on the list is to complete the tune-up, ordered a new set of MSD plug wires, one completed end only so I can custom fit at the cap as needed, (2) 90's in this config. Another have not done that in ages on making my own set, should be fun, also got some cylinder markers to include now that I have all that documented. Plan on doing cap/rotor wires once new wires are received, the wires there now are rough, by all appearances may be original, so all in hopefully should get her running like a top :). BTW, my carb rebuild appears to be a great success, after adjusting the idle screws a bit she runs and starts great, once warm fires straight up!! Do need to add an inline filter as none exist, on my list as well. Want to get as much run time in as possible and then off to the Barn for the winter rehab: On the motor, degreased and pressure washed the motor and bilge, it was a huge oily mess, much better now. She appears to have some compromised gaskets and possible oil leaks, going to do a compression test and see what we find also. From there will be pulling the motor, how much we do will be dependent on the PSI results, for now just Planning on gaskets as needed, clean and paint, that could certainly change. The 312 does appear to have some blow by, so who knows. On the interior, all wood structures although in good condition, do need some love, that will all get addressed, may also raise the base heights in that process and redo the serial number stampings as applies. All vinyl and flooring will be replaced as that is all toast. Dash to get new gauges as needed, want to add an hr meter, be it in dash or doghouse, TBD. On the Hull, I removed all that hull side waterline resin already, so hull and deck just need to be sanded/polished back to their former glory, do have a good start on all that. The bottom is another story, also had resin added, it's a mess. My plan for that is to sand as needed for paint ready, going to paint the bottom like Reid's 62' Classic to hide all that, Turquoise to match the top deck, bottom and up the sides to meet the boot stripe. think that is going to be a really great look and I am excited to add more color as well. also on the look out for the missing vent windows, if anyone happens upon any for sale plz let me know. Also like to add a platform (blasphemy I know) but that is way down the list unless I happen upon one for cheap. On the Trailer, trailer it came with was junk and non-original, Thank you Bruce for donating the new to me #2 trailer and Cousin Donald for the assist in getting the poor old Barracuda hull off the trailer at the dump, it was a sad site to watch that D6 crush that hull to smithereens. #2 will get some attention once all the boat work is completed, for now it works. All that said, need to re-educate myself on the adding photo's thing, be calling Gary for an assist on that! |
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Gary S
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He's waiting for the mailman at the end of the street with his tool box ready
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KENO
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There's a package on the way with a rotor and cap.
The USPS says it'll be there on Friday and the tracking number is in a PM. That's quite a few days less than 1817 and counting
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KENO
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By the way Quinner, the best place to find that Mallory cap is on EBAY.
You look for OMC 982209 and they're around 20 bucks for a repackaged Mallory cap. (new old stock) It's a closely guarded secret so don't tell anybody The rotor and shutter wheel assembly is a Mallory 335 for your distributor. Usually around 20 bucks too.
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KENO
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If you were to send me a PM with your address, i have "this friend" who'd send you a genuine Mallory cap and the rotor with the black plastic interrupter or shutter assembly for the price of ............well nothing
He's got a "few" of them hanging around Like Riley and Gary said, pull it hard with a little wiggle and it'll come off. They're a pretty tight fit and there's nowhere to pry due to the shutter wheel being built as an assembly with the rotor.. It's pretty much guaranteed that it won't take 1817 days either. it could be a Unilite module or an E Spark module under there. There the same except one was assembled by humans and the other by automated machines. One was double the price of the other too.
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Riley
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IIRC they take the same Sierra kit. Hurc that rotor off.
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Gary S
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Check here you big lug. I think all Ford V8's YL are created equal but maybe Ken would know for sure - Rotor should come off just by pulling it up like most others,check underneath to see if it's a Mallory E spark conversion,that rotor has a interrupter on it which Summit might have.
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quinner
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Want to replace the cap and rotor, appears dist was converted to electronic ignition at some point.
Dist: Mallory Model YL, type 387 A, Dearborn engine part 6050 BB Cap appears to be Sierra 18-5376, looking for any alternate part #'s, Mallory 9-29402 appears NLA, cannot find any local supplier so will need to buy online and all I can find is Sierra. A bit lost on the correct rotor or even how to remove it, any ideas? |
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Gary S
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Original formula aerosol Gunk will work on the engine , might need to use stiff cleaning brush on it too. The runoff will start on the bilge too. Dawn, hot water and a pressure washer will help out down there also
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quinner
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Bruce, I will take a look next time I am in the boat.
Another question, the bilge is an oily mess and the motor could use a bath as well, before I start wrenching or changing fluids I wanted to clean up as best I could. Going to use rags to wipe/soak up as much of whats there as I can, thoughts on what works best, something I may have under the sink, to degrease / rinse after that?? Thanks |
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Riley
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The deck looks great. That looks like a Ford intake to me. Does it say EOZ 8426 B on the back? What's the writing on the thermostat housing say?
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TRBenj
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I suspect that someone slapped some resin on the hull from the waterline down. I'd go after it with a plastic scraper first, then maybe sandpaper.
Nice Subaru. |
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quinner
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Here are some pics of the carb and intake for reference.
Did some buffing this weekend, as I put my hands and eyes on about every inch of the deck and hull the boat is in surprisingly good condition for it's age, there are not many scratches or gouges anywhere on the boat, all of the pieces are there and the seat bases are still original with the serial numbers stamped on them. Unfortunately the white gel has cracking throughout and from the boot stripe down the wetted surfaces have been painted or something has been applied to the gel, it's a mess and is going to be quite a job to remove. Anyhow we will save all that for another thread, just wanted to add a couple boat pics. |
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MourningWood
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Nice boat.
On the tune-up, be sure and use spark plug wires with a 90 degree dizzy cap connector. Also, I have the correct Interceptor paint mix. |
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Gary S
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I'll have to look at mine john and see if it has a date on it.
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Gary S
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Another possibility is that by then the YH's were discontinued or Ford decided to provide the induction on their industrial engines. That carb is very similar to the Autolite 2bbl originally on my HM. Like the article Zach referenced very easy to work on the top comes off and the main jets are located in the bottom of the bowel
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john b
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My 70 H/M came with an Autolite 4100 C8AE AF. They are date coded on the tag and the casting date is on the lower casting. Mine has a date code of 8K11 or Nov 11, 1968. The castings were done in mass and the casting date of mine (5/2/67) is very common, the date on the tag is the date they were assembled. Many, like mine, were in inventory for a while before being shipped. The 4100 was used in performance applications with many being installed on 428 Police Interceptors. Many were sold to aftermarket companies like Holman Moody. A few early Shelby GT500s used them as well. That is consistent with it being on an marinized engine built by an aaftermarket company. Check your date codes and it will be good supporting evidence for the originality. I am using a Holly Marine carb on mine for safety and keeping the original on a shelf for decoration.
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phatsat67
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Still torqued from last night.
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Riley
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You at the Matterhorn already? |
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TRBenj
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Doesn't look altered.
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Riley
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If the motor box has been altered, that's a tell tale sign. The intake is interesting though as the runners in the rear are taller and nothing like our intake which is a Ford intake. That in combination with the thermostat cover would suggest that it could be factory, if not then someone could have made a conversion kit? Also, as we've seen around here, some people are crafty and come up with neat stuff on their own. People been swapping them over since they were invented much to Pete Brainard's dismay. |
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phatsat67
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Bruce, I think that was just thicker boards to strengthen the corners but I didn't take an extra close look at it.
Also didn't see if it had markings on the intake. I guess those carbs have annular boosters and run extremely well when they are rebuilt properly. Pretty neat stuff, Maybe they got tired of the side drafts and slapped on an auto intake from the car? The hard fuel line has proper colored and aged paint on it. |
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quinner
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Boat Build date was 01/27/1964 Engine Serial No. CE31R319045
E=312, 3= 1963, 1=Trans 1:1, R=right hand, 319045=serial numberm Sean, color is Turquoise, my loose reference is Blue Do not know too much about the boat yet, so far traced it back 3 prior PO's, Charles Weigano in Columbus Ohio sold to Sun Ray Marine, Richard Belz of Knoxville Tennessee purchased from Sun Ray, John Walsh of Lexington Kentucky purchased from Mr Belz and I purchased from John. |
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Riley
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Zach, could be... The intake looks different from ours which is a TBird manifold. It's a late model boat and could have one of the last Y blocks Interceptor put out and they may have introduced a downdraft for them by that time.. Our '66 Mustang has a downdraft which I believe is factory and I have not seen any reference to those, other than similar vintage Mustangs with the same set up. That vintage boat was definitely the end of the line for those 6 bangers. The motor box doesn't look like it's been added onto along the bottom?
The intake should say Interceptor on it somewhere if they made it. If it's a Ford intake, it should have a Ford number on it. Sometimes it's difficult to tell original from a modification on a 50 year old modification. |
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phatsat67
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Looks like this baby is an Autolite 4100 series 4 bbl. First making its appearance on a 57 T bird 312. 4100 production ran from 57-65. Certainly possible the boat came from interceptor this way given the period the carbs came on factory vehicles.
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phatsat67
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Bruce, I agree with Tim. I haven't seen many 312s up close but that intake manifold looked to be specifically designed for marine used. The rear runners were quite a bit taller in the rear and shorter in the front presumable to compensate for the rearward angle of the engine in the boats/running on plane.
The carburetor is unlike any 4bbl I have ever seen before. It was similar in design to the early 90s "Fishbowl Holley", The entire top half could be removed to open the fuel bowls and the vacuum secondary was located on the rear (facing rearward) bowl. All of the paint/patina matched the engine exactly as far as I could tell. It even had a brass tube that came up to the (What would be electric choke puck but was not) to heat the choke spring with exhaust gasses from the intake crossover. Steve commented that the paint on the inside of the engine box appeared to be original like his dads. Certainly, not some backyard 4bbl conversion. Maybe an upgrade offered from interceptor? Very neat and period correct from what I could tell. 4bbl even still works! We didn't look at the prop but by driving it I could tell it was over propped. Tach was INOP but when the 4bbl opened there was a tiny increase in RPM and lots more noise. Pumped for Chris to get it running properly with some smooth running gear. I will foot behind that thing. |
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desertskier
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Very cool boat. Is there a story about the color. It doesn't look blue. The brochure says there was a turquoise option but not blue.
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Gary S
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You should change your oil and filter more often Pete I think 40 years is really pushing it. The plugs cross reference to Champion part # 129 RF 10C knowing that you can cross reference to other brands The Echlin ignition parts I just bought were made in Mexico Cross reference for Champion F10 |
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KENO
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The real Pete is back
Since you'll never use your Sierra kit, why don't you be a good guy and ship it down to Quinner since they're the same parts as he'd get at NAPA? |
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