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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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Actually if you load 5 people in a BFN the wake gets the hump goin too.
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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I was told there would be no math! the 6 litre ZR6 PCM is a small block this was a one off boat for New Zealand. The Big Block Mercs were 8.1 and 8.2 litres...big blocks big cubes There have been a lot of different motors put in these boats. ![]() |
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NCH20SKIER ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: December-16-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2214 |
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Steve,
If am not mistaken Ron had the 409 (6L)put into the Sanger. Wish I had in the Sport Nautique. |
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'05 206 Limited
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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That black scorpion is a hot rod. My buddy has one in a 02 response LXI and it runs right at 50.2 at 4900 RPM. He sent the prop back to Acme and told them he wanted it to spin 3-400 more RPM. We will see what it does in the spring. The heads had to be shaved a bit due to an over heat and he had a 3 angle valve job done while they were off so it may be a little hotter than it was originally. 20 ponies or so.
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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If it's a Blue Scorpion like the one pictured it's from Mercury Racing Division. 377 ci/ 377 hp. "377 Scorpion"
This guy does not even know he's selling a barefoot boat. Barefooter for sale |
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bkhallpass ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-29-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4723 |
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Andy,
We have to get some of these guys to come out and ski with you. I bet we could use Rich Peters boat at Diablo Shores, and probably get Pellaton and Temby to come out along with you, Willy, Flipper, who knows. BTW - I think you and I met once. I don't remember if it was at Diablo Shores or perhaps at the ski show Temby put together at Orwood. I think you know my wife as well, Denese Davidson. Guys, Sanger could put whatever stringers they want in a boat. They like wood and believes it give the boat the best characteristics (recall CC felt the same way for a long time). Once Sanger agreed to a lifetime warranty for original owners, it became kind of a moot point. CC has a boat with stringers they say will last forever, and Sanger has stringers it will warrant forever. Of course, if you buying used, perhaps a different story. But, there are plenty of 25 year old Sangers driving around out here. BKH |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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I've skied with Rich, and Temby and Jerry, you know I ski with Willie, I've skied at Diablo since before it was made longer. I did work in Temby's show as a skier and camera op a couple of years. I don't think we could get Scott out to foot.
I can't put a face to the name, Davidson is the last name of Sanger Boats owners!? I was just down at the factory to see my friends new boat he has the first "Dagger" DXII. Barefoot Nationals is at Diablo Shores this year so we will all be out there. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Agree to disagree, Brian! Anyone who says "wood is the best" without any caveats is just spouting marketing BS. It may be the best low cost material available, thats a viable argument. It certainly is "good enough" to build a quality boat. CC did it for a looooong time. They finally found a better way- better in that there is no longer any wood that will rot, while the performance of the boat is essentially unchanged. I understand that the wood-like stringer core materials are cost prohibitive for a boutique manufacturer like Sanger, but that doesnt mean they get to ignore the fact that there are better alternatives available. They choose to get by with a lower cost material (wood), and back it up with (presumably) great craftsmanship and a great warranty. Nothing wrong with that! |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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Sanger never built a Boutique...that was Correct Craft.
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bkhallpass ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-29-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4723 |
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I don't know that I'd argue for crafstmanship Tim. I think other brands
have better fit and finish than Sanger. But, I've talked to the folks who build them. They beleive that wood makes for a better performing boat. Agree to disagree, that's fine. I don't really buy that either. But they seem to sincerely hold this belief. Again, with the warranty they've put forward, the wooden stringers are a non-issue for a new boat buyer. Used boat, buyer beware, just as a buyer needs to beware when buying an older CC with wood stringers. To date, I have only seen one Sanger that needed a stringer job. I don't keep a tally, but I am familiar with a lot of Sanger boats. Now, these boats are fairly new. I don't think Sanger started making the inboard Ski Sanger line until 86 or 87. What I have seen a lot is the ski pylon pulling out of a Sanger. The pylons were mounted a to a crappy plywood cross brace. I helped a neighbor fix the pylon mount in his 91 this summer. They seem to be doing a better job with that as well on newer boats. BKH |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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I cant speak to the craftsmanship of Sangers either. Im just assuming that was one of the things theyre doing to compensate for the wood. If they truly believe that the wood makes for a better performing ski boat, I think theyre kidding themselves. I could possibly see that argument on a much larger boat that needed to flex, but ski boats are small and pretty darn stiff.
I would imagine that the lack of foam is the main reason the older boats are preserved so well, assuming thats how theyve always built them. Same thing goes for the mid 60's glass CC's that didnt get foamed- those boats are much less prone to rot than the foamed boats. |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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I'd argue craftsmanship because these boats don't fall apart after 20 years they are still solid.
"you can fill the boat with water leave it there for 3 years, you can raise fish in the boat" LOL |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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Disco Bay is crawling with Sanger boats too so I know Brian has seen alot of them...hundreds of them...never two alike.
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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Sanger does do some special things to make their skiboat stiffer than the competition's boats. Bulkheads are added which significantly increase the hulls strength and rigidity. |
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Here are two of the bulkheads that make these boats so rigid. More get glassed into the sides.
Wood! wood! wood! A new barefoot boat is born. Yep that is gelcoat. ![]() ![]() |
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GlassSeeker ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-26-2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA. Status: Offline Points: 2421 |
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getting closer to done.
The first DXII to get "The Dagger" gelcoat graphic. ![]() ![]() |
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Here's the Indmar 6.0
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a little hard to see some of the detail
gelcoat lines ---none of this is tape or decal or stickers |
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