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vetski
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Posted: June-18-2012 at 1:57pm |
I have a 72 Skier. When I bought it(6 years ago), the guy said he replaced starboard side exhaust hose a couple years prior. I had the same thing happen to it 2 years ago. I replaced it and thought all was fine. I took it out yesterday and water started coming in. I looked through the exhaust opening and it looks like the rubber has melted and come apart about 1 1/2 feet in from the back. Why do I keep ruining these hoses? Not real mechanically inclined so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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TRBenj
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Which engine/marinization do you have?
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vetski
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It is supposed to be a 351 and they told me at Midwest Correct Craft a few years ago that they thought it was a Thermo-electron.
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TRBenj
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It wouldnt have had a 351w in it originally- it would have been a 302. Post a picture and we can identify the marinizer.
I have a Conquerer/Crusader Thermo Electron in my '71 Skier and the cooling system is not very balanced. The original exhaust hose on the port side has suffered some damage from previous overheats. Youre sure you mean starboard (drivers side)? |
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vetski
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Yes it is drivers side that keeps failing. I will post pictures as soon as I can. I was told by previous owner that is was a 351, I don't know how to tell difference between that and a 302. Valve covers says 220 hp, I know that really doesn't mean a lot, though. Also, 2 years ago I replaced hoses going from thermostat housing to exhaust manifolds and noticed looking in the manifolds there was a fair amount of rust. Also, 3 years ago, impeller had to be replaced. I can't remember for sure, but I think 1 or 2 blades were missing. Boat doesn't ever seem to overheat according to guages. Thanks in advance. I really like this boat, it just seems to not like me.
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TRBenj
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What does this translate to in degrees? 220hp = 302. The 351w is wider than the 302, you could measure it. Or you could post a picture- we can probably ID it. |
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vetski
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Usually around 110 degrees, I think. I will post picture as soon as I can.
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TRBenj
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Confirm that number when you can... its very strange. If its to be believed, then you must not have a (properly functioning) thermostat installed.
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8122pbrainard
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Ryan,
Do you know if there's a T stat installed? Did it ever overheat and an attempt to correct the problem was removing the stat? I agree with Tim, that 110 is very low. |
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vetski
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I think previous owner said there wasn't a thermostat installed. I have pictures taken of engine, but can't seem to put them in post.
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74Wind
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Try measuring across the intake manifold. My understanding is a 302 is 9" wide and a 351 is 10 3/4" wide. Stickers long gone on my T-E 351 but I believe it is 250hp. |
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vetski
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Here are the engine pics, taken with phone so quality not great. |
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vetski
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Intake manifold is about 9" wide so it must be a 302. RWP looks original, could that be an issue? Also, is there a way to flush the engine and manifolds out if there is debris in there? Now that I think about it, when skiing behind it, I always noticed that one side of the exhaust had a lot more water coming out than the other(I think it was the left that had all the water and the right that didn't). Is that normal or is that the problem?
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TRBenj
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Pics are tiny, but Id say 302 as well.
I'd confirm the engine temp of 110 first. It seems unlikely that the cooling system would run that cool at the intake manifold and so hot at the exhaust at the same time. You didnt really say if the boat experienced a significant overheat at some point since the hose replacement. That would be my first guess. |
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Bri892001
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I would say that's a problem. You have to somehow figure if water is being supplied to both sides. Also, unhooking the water from the manifold, and watching it flow freely, doesn't automatically mean that the water is being allowed to make it's way through the manifold when it it hooked back up. |
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vetski
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How do I determine if both sides are getting adequate water flow? If I find out that the one side is not, can I clean/flush out the manifold, muffler, etc.? If so, what is the best way to do this?
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eric lavine
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one piece of rust could restrict water flow...water follows its easiest path, these boats the water flow always tends to favor the shorter hose also
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vetski
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How do I do the Bucket Test? If I find one side is less than the other, do I flush the engine, manifolds?(if so, how?pressure washer, garden hose?) Do I need to start looking at the RWP?(I think it's the original one) Trying to get this thing going before the 4th for the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Bri892001
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The idea behind the bucket test, is it makes the impeller do the work of sucking in water for itself. If you just connect a garden hose and "force" water in, you'll never know if the impeller would work while the boat is actually in the lake.
75 Tique made this cool video: http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/lhine763/?action=view¤t=bucketmethod.mp4 Here's another good write up: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24767&title=how-to-run-your-boat-out-of-water-bucket-method |
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vetski
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If I take manifold and riser off to clean it, will that ruin my gaskets? If so, where can I get new gaskets?
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reftech
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I had a problem years ago with blowing out exhaust hoses on a ski challenger
The mechanic had installed the wrong impeller in the rwp |
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vetski
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I guess I am going to order a RWP rebuild kit from Discount Inboard Marine. All I have every done is replace the impeller, nothing done with bearings or seals, so I figure that would be good to do. Wondering if a new circulation pump would do any good? Everything looks original on this engine. I will try and clean out manifolds and risers. Still needing to know if I need to order new manifold gaskets when I take the manifolds off.
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SNobsessed
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Yes on the new Exh manifold gaskets. Those can be an automotive part, no need for 'marine'.
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vetski
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Took exhaust manifold off engine, flushed it a lot. Really didn't see too much come out of it. Took riser off and there was some sort of liquid type gasket between riser and manifold. The vertical openings on either side of the main opening were completely filled in with this gasket stuff. Is that correct or is that the problem? Also, where can I get the correct actual gasket for this riser? |
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vetski
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I also took the floor up on the problem side. It looked like the exhaust hose was basically coming apart layer by layer.
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SNobsessed
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I think you found the problem (no gasket). You can get the correct gasket from SkiDim Or My Correct Parts.
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Bri892001
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I know with the PCM marinizations, that the orientation of this gasket is also important: http://www.skidim.com/products.asp?dept=1158
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vetski
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Just to be clear, the main opening was open. The top opening was open. The two smaller openings on both sides of the main opening were completely closed off with the liquid gasket material(reddish-organge stuff) that had hardened.
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Bri892001
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They may have been trying to recreate the blockages that the gasket would make. With the gasket, the blocked passages should be near the exhaust outlet.
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TRBenj
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Look above- these are log manifolds. |
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