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Here are plenty more facts for the doubters about Wisconsin reforms.

Wisconsin Manufacturer’s and Commerce Survey

•The Tax Foundation in collaboration with KPMG LLP recently released a new report, Location Matters: A Comparative Analysis of State Tax Costs on Business. The new study rated Wisconsin as one of the top five states for new businesses. The study was based on tax laws that were in effect as of April 1, 2011. When additional pro-job policies are factored into the study in the future, it’s anticipated that Wisconsin will improve even further in the rankings.

•The Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank released an economic growth forecast on March 20 that        forecasts Wisconsin to grow 1.95 percent over the next six months, which is the best economic forecast for the state since 2003 and Wisconsin experienced the most improved forecast in the nation.

•According to an April 2012 article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Wisconsin has dramatically improved its ability to incubate businesses, moving up to 29th among all states from 43rd in 2010, according to an annual competitiveness measure released by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University in Boston. A full copy of the article can be accessed at: http://www.jsonline.com/business/state-moves-up-in-rankings-of-business-incubation-id4ujg0-146830345.html



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Careful Pete, I don't think 78K would support your Delta equipped workshop and at least two homes we know of. I also wonder what you think a person with a masters and 15 years experience, living in one of the highest cost of living cities should be paid. My brother retired and became a high school teacher just because he wanted to. He makes a small fraction of what he did as an EE.
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Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

Can't seem to get the link right.

It is the BLS website, state specific under Wisconsin. Pretty easy to find.   

I'd have to say you are wrong about Walkers reforms being put on hold for recall campaigns and lawsuits.
Walkers Act 10, the main issue with the recall, was NOT put on hold. There were lawsuits but the act remained in effect the entire time, with an exception of Judge Sumi, who stopped it for a week or so. Otherwise it's been in effect the entire time.   

Talking of business using Act 10 for planning and the reason there is not results is misleading, at best, but more than likely just an excuse for not seeing results yet.     Act 10 had nothing to do with business directly anyway.

If you speak of the climate Walker created in Wisconsin, you might be onto something.   I struggle to think of a business that would come to Wisconsin, seeing the political climate for what it is.   It is obvious the right and left cannot agree, Walker is pitting those sides against each other in a big way, and that is part of the problem we face here.

Even if you agree with Walkers reforms, like I know you do, you'd be amiss to not acknowledge the fact of how it was done, created a far worse climate for business, that is a clear fact.    Any money he alleged to save is outweighed by the cost of the way he handled the whole affair.

Walkers voter suppression issues, were and currently on hold in this state, thanks to an honest Judge.

The Jon Doe investigation on the other hand, is nearing a close, from my sources, and should be well into a court case by 2016, so I doubt he'd have any shot running.



Seth, You think like an OWS'er not a business person. Business operates on 1,3,5,10, 1nd even 20 year plans. If they cannot make plans for their own business due to instability they tend to park their money safely until they can. The lawsuits and recall effort in Wisconsin made for an uncertain future locally combined with the same problem at a national level with all of Obama's agendas. If you like jobs you have to like those that provide them and give them a good environment to work in.
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Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:


nd, at 78k you claim they are paid. Since when is that a ton of money?
I couldn't live for a year on that.

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The above statement sure shows off your "class" and really where you are coming from. How about if we all brag about how much money we make??? If this was your intent as I feel it was, you are certainly off in the wrong direction. I was at slightly above that figure at one time until things went bad and all salaried and hourly got a 20% cut. That was 7 years ago!! I and my wife put two kids through college WITHOUT loans or debt on that %20 cut pay. (and no loans off "your" public leftest system!! Now, if you really want to get into it, let's talk. 78K isn't enough for you? Do you think you are you may be a a arrogant? Yes!!! Stroke on!

BTW, don't forget the Chicago teachers only pay 10% of their wage into medical! I was paying $230 per week for family!!! How much are you sucking off the system? And BTW, WTF do you do besides sitting behind a poker table thinking about what the next left move is needed????


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Can't seem to get the link right.

It is the BLS website, state specific under Wisconsin. Pretty easy to find.   

I'd have to say you are wrong about Walkers reforms being put on hold for recall campaigns and lawsuits.
Walkers Act 10, the main issue with the recall, was NOT put on hold. There were lawsuits but the act remained in effect the entire time, with an exception of Judge Sumi, who stopped it for a week or so. Otherwise it's been in effect the entire time.   

Talking of business using Act 10 for planning and the reason there is not results is misleading, at best, but more than likely just an excuse for not seeing results yet.     Act 10 had nothing to do with business directly anyway.

If you speak of the climate Walker created in Wisconsin, you might be onto something.   I struggle to think of a business that would come to Wisconsin, seeing the political climate for what it is.   It is obvious the right and left cannot agree, Walker is pitting those sides against each other in a big way, and that is part of the problem we face here.

Even if you agree with Walkers reforms, like I know you do, you'd be amiss to not acknowledge the fact of how it was done, created a far worse climate for business, that is a clear fact.    Any money he alleged to save is outweighed by the cost of the way he handled the whole affair.

Walkers voter suppression issues, were and currently on hold in this state, thanks to an honest Judge.

The Jon Doe investigation on the other hand, is nearing a close, from my sources, and should be well into a court case by 2016, so I doubt he'd have any shot running.

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Your link does not work.

You also have to remember that Walkers reforms were all put on hold by lawsuits and re-call campaigns, so business only recently could start using them for planning.
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I too wonder about the reports davidg was "hearing" about the positive change. I wonder if he was referencing an uptick in Ag jobs for the early harvest, and wanted more than one opinion piece he posted.

Guess it all depends on what is "working" to each of us.

Here is the BLS numbers.    Not so good numbers showing there.

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.wi.htm#eag_wi.f.P
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Seth, You asked for statewide stats, not anecdotal evidence. Since this thread was brought back from last june I also raised the bar and wanted recent information to update the discussion.I was not looking for a particular source. the MacIver Institute was the only report that came up that met my criteria.

You on the other hand gave us nothing fresher than may. and one story from April of 2011 that is anecdotal to Milwaukee, and compares 2009 to 2010 retirement rates. Hardly current or representing results of the changes.

And your final quote is from an opinion piece in the Milwaukee express titled "The Damage Scott Walker Has Done to Wisconsin"

If you are going to complain about sources you will have to do a little better yourself.
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I am hoping we do go "off the cliff"

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Better read about it, cause you righties will be trapped if that happens, and will be forced to vote with Obama and Norquest at thesame time.

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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

By the way, you guys been hearing that Moody's is about to down-grade the U.S. debt...again! Two times under one regime, er, uhm, I mean administration. Thank you liberal policies!



Dang man, you really are allowed to post?

You should have done the right thing and finished the statement by saying the truth. Leaving out the reason totally discredits you. It's all about the failure to agree.


Here is the full text courtesy of FOX.

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You'll get the uneducated and those that really don;t care enough to read but not me.

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So MacIver is a think tank huh?

As a front for Americans for Prosperity, hardly.


WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.



Get real man.


You say it's working, but clearly it isn't. I'm still waiting for the "reports I've been seeing".    What you submitted, states teachers leaving their jobs.    No flipping crap.   I'd quit too. Your going to get teachers who are worth what you are paying them.


Looks like Chicago is next, and they are in the streets too.   I wish the protests in Wisconsin were followed by all teachers striking, like the brass filled Chicago teachers.


And, at 78k you claim they are paid. Since when is that a ton of money?
I couldn't live for a year on that.

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Wait a minute.

How is getting rid of teachers good for Wisconsin?   
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Well, there is this.


And this.



And a link for you Vikings fans, (the punter is right on.)
Walker makes Minnesota news

And a video in NBC, detailing Wisconsin losing more jobs than any other state.

Jobs NBC

And for you teacher haters something to explain the losses of teachers.
Dramtic rise in teacher retirements

And for the haters of all news other than FOX, one from FOX.
FOX teachers piece

Here is a quote for how Walkers changes affect the women in our lives.
    Equal pay law repealed because money isn't important to women: One of the most insulting acts Walker and his medieval-times-thinking Republicans did was to repeal the state's Equal Pay Law, because, as state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) so helpfully put it, “Money is more important for men.” Thanks to Walker and Grothman, women who are suffering from wage abuse in the workplace now have fewer avenues to get justice.


Or if an image is easier;




Yeah, next is the Maciver institute OMH cited.

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But if we re-elect him he will fix it. Is he not president now? why wait?
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By the way, you guys been hearing that Moody's is about to down-grade the U.S. debt...again! Two times under one regime, er, uhm, I mean administration. Thank you liberal policies!
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More funny numbers again, I am sure Dave! Just wait until OOW finds a lefty article disputing all of our "anectdotal" data. He'll probably find something in the NY Times!

I can't wait to see what he comes up with.


I think the NYTimes is to right wing for Seth. One school system alone saves 100 teachers jobs just by getting a competitive bid for health coverage and he complains about the source.
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More stats

The MacIver Institute, a Wisconsin think tank, reports that of the 108 school districts that completed contracts with employees, 74 of them, with 319,000 students, have reported savings of no less than $162 million. If this is extrapolated out to all districts, it would amount to savings of nearly $448 million.

The biggest area of savings have been in health insurance. The teachers union insisted that districts use the union’s own health insurance company to provide coverage. No longer forced to use a monopoly provider, districts have either switched providers or used the threat of switching to force the union health insurance company to dramatically lower premiums. Savings have averaged $730,000 in districts that have switched providers or forced competitive bidding.

As a result of these dramatic savings, districts that have been able to benefit immediately from the reforms (some districts are locked into long-term contracts and cannot) have been able to avoid laying off teachers despite a significant drop in state aid and to avoid raising school taxes. Indeed, school tax bills that went out last December had an average increase of only 0.3 percent.


More funny numbers again, I am sure Dave! Just wait until OOW finds a lefty article disputing all of our "anectdotal" data. He'll probably find something in the NY Times!

I can't wait to see what he comes up with.
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Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

Ahhhh, yes, Wisconsin, Illinois playground!


Funny, I didnt find anyone in Chetek WI that had a problem with the 1500 "Illinois bucks" we left there in early August.........
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The MacIver Institute, a Wisconsin think tank, reports that of the 108 school districts that completed contracts with employees, 74 of them, with 319,000 students, have reported savings of no less than $162 million. If this is extrapolated out to all districts, it would amount to savings of nearly $448 million.

The biggest area of savings have been in health insurance. The teachers union insisted that districts use the union’s own health insurance company to provide coverage. No longer forced to use a monopoly provider, districts have either switched providers or used the threat of switching to force the union health insurance company to dramatically lower premiums. Savings have averaged $730,000 in districts that have switched providers or forced competitive bidding.

As a result of these dramatic savings, districts that have been able to benefit immediately from the reforms (some districts are locked into long-term contracts and cannot) have been able to avoid laying off teachers despite a significant drop in state aid and to avoid raising school taxes. Indeed, school tax bills that went out last December had an average increase of only 0.3 percent.
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You got that exactly right! I would leave IL in a heartbeat to go to WI or IN where conservative ideals are saving the state. We are $83 billion in debt, and sinking rapidly. Just had our credit rating downgraded too. Thank you liberal policies!

Can't wait to see what kind of sweet heart deal the striking Chicago teachers will get from city hall. The teachers make an average of $76K/year. The average Chicago citizen makes $45K/year.

We need Scott Walker to bring his reforms down here to save this state too.    
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Come on OOW. Don't make me do all the work.

I would love to have you show me an article that things are going horribly since the reforms.   




If I use an article like you posted, it would be huge.

I'll post in a bit, it's 9pm, and the casino calls.

There are plenty, and from good sources too. Follow your advice and Google it, National review isn't a top dog in news.


Wisconsin does look good from across the border. You are in Ill anyway, and I'd be looking for greener pastures myself too.   
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Come on OOW. Don't make me do all the work. If you go to google.com, and enter the topic you want to search, it will provide you a wide variety of articles on the subject. That google thing is a great tool for that there world wide web thingy. Its amazing what it can find.   

However, I know you already are very well aware that Walker's reforms are working well for Wisconson, whether you will admit it or not. I would love to have you show me an article that things are going horribly since the reforms.   
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Here you go One Wheeler! Read 'em and weep! I know you libs just LOVE stastitics. This article has a few good ones for you. His reforms are even saving teachers jobs!




Wisconsins Reforms Showing Positive Results






Nice piece.

I was hoping for a bit of actual numbers for the state. One or two districts in the state, doesn't really add up to your claims of "working", let aside all other aspects the economy.


That is like saying, "my car uses so little gas, I love it", while it sits in the shop for extended repair.


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Here you go One Wheeler! Read 'em and weep! I know you libs just LOVE stastitics. This article has a few good ones for you. His reforms are even saving teachers jobs!




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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

And, to add to this, I have been hearing reports over the past day or two that Wisconsin's reforms are starting to really kick in and have very positive financial results for the state of Wisconsin. As time allows, I will try to find an article and post it.

Scott Walker rules!




Ok, lets see the links to Walkers positive results, especially recent polls, results, articles, reports, etc.   


I can't wait to see this.    

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The more I hear about Chicago the more Ironic the situation becomes. I feel very bad for the kids by the way. We have mitt and Rahm On the same side and Barack siding with the teachers. I also heard the head of the teachers union trying to claim that this was about moving forward "for the children" (insert vomit emoticon here). The big thing i take out of this is how different a democrat is when forced to work with a balanced budget as compared to a blank check book. Maybe he can just raise the taxes again.
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