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Hansel....if it's all the rancor that has you bothered about what is going on in Wisconsin, I don't blame you. All that fighting would get really old. But, the left has brought that on because they can't stand that Walker has taken power away from the special interest, and returned it to the people. They are the ones that have done all the protests, and launched all the recalls.    

Now, while I haven't come up and done an audit myself, the reports are that Walker has erased a $3 Billion deficeit and created a $140 Million dollar surplus. He has created a better business climate in Wisconsin so people may have a better chance of getting a good job. Property taxes are coming down....for most, maybe not all.

I guess what I am trying to say is......What's the problem?? How are things not better under Walker?
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Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

Pass the cool aide.
The economy is back, the job picture has improved dramatically,


John, where do you see this? Unemployment went UP last month. Job force participation is at its lowest since 1981 (Carter years). Real unemployment (those eligible to work) is over 15%. The previous months job gains were adjusted down by nearly half. Home values dropped again, and new factory orders were the lowest in six months. I think consumer confidence was down also. We have growth at 2% which maintains the economy at best fine if you have 5% unemployment but not so good if you have 15%. At this point in Regan's first term we were seeing 5-8% growth and millions of jobs being created. The stock market is doing OK for value but is very fragile and seeing low participation. If we maintain our current policy on taxing and spending we are five years away from having the same debt to GDP as Greece. Our military spending is down while China and Russia are seeing double digit increases. We are looking at being in a whole five years from now with social security and medicare rapidly going broke that we can not climb out of. This is before Baracks policies all go into effect at the first of the year (conveniently after the election) when we see the single largest tax increase in this nations history (expiration of Bush tax cuts and all the new Obama care increases). We always have an economy, so It is back to some form that it has seen before, but oit is not good. Too few people are participating which means too many are draining the system while too few are paying for it. That does not create recovery.
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My sense is that many people's opposition has much less to do with his policies and much more to do with his manner of conducting himself as governor/leading the state. "Divide and conquer", "my way or the highway", "us vs. them"... I think that these all typify Walker's brand of politics, even more so than most.

Matthew 7:16 "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"

I think this pretty much sums it up. No matter the outcome of today's election Wisconsin is a worse place today than it was not even two years ago because of everything that has happened. I've lived here for four, and I'd happily trade the pre-Walker atmosphere to the post-Walker, Republican governor or no. Sure, ideological opposites have "won" some battles, but I think that this is a war of attrition in which all Wisconsinites are losers.

Pray such "leadership" doesn't come to your state.
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I have never boated there, but I used to fly in to Lake Lawn Lodge on Sunday mornings for breakfast. It looked shallow and weedy from the air, however it was pretty clear. I ride my bike past part of it when I do the Lake Geneva loop too. It's pretty. I really like Lake Geneva, and my friend has a cottage on the lake in Fontana. It's never choppy enough to be a concern, but the days when its smooth enough for good water sports are usually limited to mornings and evenings on week days. I can't ski any more due to some old injuries, but I like to watch others and dream that I could ski like them. It is just a dream though, I was never very good by the standards of this site.
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I will take the Clinton days. He had his faults on more of a personal level, but, the current occupant of the White House makes Bubba look like a Tea Party leader. I saw a chart the other day on tv, and his spending broken down to a daily basis looked very low. Not sure what what the underlying circumstances were back then, but, I was pretty impressed.

I do take my boat to Lake Geneva. In fact, we were heading there on Sunday, but, the parking lot at Fontana was full, so we just headed up the road to Delavan. How about you? It can get pretty choppy up there.

By the way, Delavan Lake is not as bad as you described it. It does have some shallow areas, but, that is in a back bay where the condos are at, and there are some areas where there is some algae. It certainly isn't as prisine of lake as Lake Geneva or Green Lake, but, still a pretty darn good boating lake. Plus, Lake Lawn Lodge is there, and that is a cool old place. You ought to try Delavan sometime. Better for smaller boats.
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

We must be a nation of Alzheimer's victims. Some act like the Republican / Bush era never happened.


Ah yes, the good old days. How I long for them. You are talking about when unemployment was around 5-6%, and we still had a national debt of under $10 trillion. I miss the era too John!

Aah, Yes, the Clinton days of surpluses.
You made my point. Seek professional help for your memory!
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Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

We must be a nation of Alzheimer's victims. Some act like the Republican / Bush era never happened.


Ah yes, the good old days. How I long for them. You are talking about when unemployment was around 5-6%, and we still had a national debt of under $10 trillion. I miss the era too John!
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Pass the cool aide.
The economy is back, the job picture has improved dramatically, and my retirement accounts have recovered and surpassed where they were pre Bush! We must be a nation of Alzheimer's victims. Some act like the Republican / Bush era never happened.
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This win for Scott Walker will be a gig to Obama and his cool-aid drinkers. I hope it is a union shellacking and Wisconsin can move forward with effective policy to strengthen their state for the residences.
Good Luck Scott Walker!
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Dave....I want so bad to go up to Madison tomorrow, and watch everything. I wish I could vote up there, but, the law says I can't. Not sure that will stop other out of staters though
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Dave, enjoy.the day tomorrow. Vote once for me.
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

[QUOTE=john b]   
Also, your opinion on what laws should be enforced and which should be disregarded is of no interest to a prosecutor. He is sworn to uphold and enforce all laws under his jurisdiction. To fail to do so would be an omission and a violation of public trust. I became very tired of people who did not respect the laws of the country they profess to love very early in my career. Few take responsibility for their actions. I commonly told people:


John....then you should be highly interested in what Kris Barrett, the wife of Milwaukee Mayor, Tom Barrett (who is Walker's opponent in the recall race) has been up to. While she was a Milwaukee Public School teacher, it seems she had a few issues with campaigning for her husband while on school (let that read while on GOVERNMENT time).

If there is a complaint or suspicion that she violated the law there should be an investigation. I am not familiar with Wisconsin law on the issue, but in Illinois, unless she is elected to the position there would be no specific violation of law for performing personal business on company time that I am aware of, since she holds no public office or powers of arrest. I am aware of an investigation of a municipal employee in the town where I worked who my department charged with theft (his salery) for doing personal work on village time. The case was lost at trial. It was not my case. Normally recourse for employees is limited to termination.
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John, I would have never guessed you weren't all smiles when you were working.   I'm sure you must be very impressed with Eric Holder's even hand when it comes to his prosecutions since he became AG.
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This was in our paper this morning. Hard to argue facts and logic with George Will.

http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/wisconsin-progressive-labor-interests-throwing-epic-tantrum_2012-06-04.html
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Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

   
Also, your opinion on what laws should be enforced and which should be disregarded is of no interest to a prosecutor. He is sworn to uphold and enforce all laws under his jurisdiction. To fail to do so would be an omission and a violation of public trust. I became very tired of people who did not respect the laws of the country they profess to love very early in my career. Few take responsibility for their actions. I commonly told people:


John....then you should be highly interested in what Kris Barrett, the wife of Milwaukee Mayor, Tom Barrett (who is Walker's opponent in the recall race) has been up to. While she was a Milwaukee Public School teacher, it seems she had a few issues with campaigning for her husband while on school (let that read while on GOVERNMENT time).

So, I am sure you will be in favor of her being charged as well? Although her husband, the Mayor of Milwaukee, and Walker's opponent say's what she did isn't really bad. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

See What Governor Walker's Opponent's Wife Has Been Up To On Government Time/Computers
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Pretty sad state to be subjected to a recall for actually following through on your campaign promises. What a waste of time and taxpayer money.
Thank you Wisconsin, for showing the rest of the country just how strong a hold some unions have on our government.
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

The "John Doe" that OOW is referring to is a charge that Walker's staffer's campaigned using govt computers while he was the Milwaukee County executive several years ago (or something close to that....OOW can expound I am sure). OH MY GOD!!!! He is such a criminal!! What's next, are they going to bring up the jay-walking charge he got when he was in high school? Is the John Doe thing all you got?   My god, I would give my rigth arm to have the bennies the public union folks get....even after the reforms. So, it was the union reforms that started everything.   But, isn't it interesting that they are not campaigning on that issue? Not one word has been said about that because the Dems know the public ain't buying it. But, thank god they got the "John Doe" situation, and quite possibly the jay-walking charges too.

By the way, had a lovely day today on Delavan Lake in Scott Walker's home town.

Two things to consider David. Instead of giving your right ARM, why don't you just apply for one of the more than 600 Wisconsin teacher jobs posted online right now. Keep the right arm AND get those bennies too. I am sure they would hire you with your qualifications. Go ahead, ride the gravy train if you think you can.
Also, your opinion on what laws should be enforced and which should be disregarded is of no interest to a prosecutor. He is sworn to uphold and enforce all laws under his jurisdiction. To fail to do so would be an omission and a violation of public trust. I became very tired of people who did not respect the laws of the country they profess to love very early in my career. Few take responsibility for their actions. I commonly told people:

No, I don't have anything better to do than arrest you for _________________.

Yes you did make my quota.

Most likely I will get that promotion now.

I know you pay my salary, here's you quarter back.

Here is my business card so you don't mis-spell my name when you sue me.

I think you are too late to kill me and my family when you get out, about 250 people have told me they are going to do it prior to you.

I hope you are not this disrespectful of the laws of our land. If there is a coming that he violated the law by using public property and taxpayer money for personal gain there should be a thorough investigation. The prospect of more than 1,000 illegal Walker emails is troubling too. If he did nothing wrong, the investigation will show that. If he violated a law he should be prosecuted at least as vigorously as anyone else being that he holds a position of public trust.
BTW, the statute of limitations ran out on that j-walking infraction I'm sure.
I am glad you had a good time out. Summer is here, time to enjoy it. Isn't Lake Delevan a shallow weedy lake? When you fly over it it looks kinda nasty.


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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

"The Wisconsin branch of the American Federation of Teachers has lost some 6,000 of its 17,000 members. And membership in the state’s chapter of AFSCME has plummeted from nearly 63,000 to just 29,000 in just one year."

What a shame. If the trend continues, the leaches running the unions will have to find someone else to prey on to make their money.


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I was kind of wondering about what that was. Sounds like stuff I get from most anyone above the county commissioner to remind me they are there. That's a pretty grey area around that line of campaign or not for those in office.

Anyone gotten one of the mailers about which of your neighbors voted in the last couple of elections yet?
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The "John Doe" that OOW is referring to is a charge that Walker's staffer's campaigned using govt computers while he was the Milwaukee County executive several years ago (or something close to that....OOW can expound I am sure). OH MY GOD!!!! He is such a criminal!! What's next, are they going to bring up the jay-walking charge he got when he was in high school? Is the John Doe thing all you got?

So, union membership is dropping at the hand of Walker. All he changed was the fact that the state would no longer confiscate the dues from the members and give it to the unions. They members now have to pay directly to the unions. It seems many union members didn't really find the value of being in the union, and they would rather have that money to spend as they see fit.

Its also very interesting that the thing that got the recall started was that the unions were furious with Walker for making them pay just a little bit toward their own retirement funds and healthcare insurance. My god, I would give my rigth arm to have the bennies the public union folks get....even after the reforms. So, it was the union reforms that started everything.   But, isn't it interesting that they are not campaigning on that issue? Not one word has been said about that because the Dems know the public ain't buying it. But, thank god they got the "John Doe" situation, and quite possibly the jay-walking charges too.

By the way, had a lovely day today on Delavan Lake in Scott Walker's home town.
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I think the purpose was to control government spending, the unions just happened to be the ones spending the governments money. I thought wall-street greed was the root of all evil, but the school districts are finding health care cheaper in the private sector than from the mandated union policy. Unions that are supposed to be looking for the little guy. The fact is greed is everywhere, it is human nature and the only hope is to keep it in check, and as proven here again it is competition that creates a check and leads to efficiency and innovation. Give someone a monopoly and you get bloat waste and fraud.
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I bet those that need the money now sure appreciate having a choice!
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Another interesting factoid is that public union membership has gone down dramatically since Walker's reforms. It used to be mandatory that public union members dues were automatically taken from their government paycheck and sent directly to the unions.

Walker stopped that practice, and said that if an individual wanted to be a member of a public union, they could pay it out of their own pocket, but, thte state would no longer automatically do the unions dirty work for them.

Guess what.....public union membership has dropped like a rock since individuals now have a choice as to whether or not they want to be in a union. A summary is as follows:

"The Wisconsin branch of the American Federation of Teachers has lost some 6,000 of its 17,000 members. And membership in the state’s chapter of AFSCME has plummeted from nearly 63,000 to just 29,000 in just one year."

Full article here.......

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As usual, you missed the other parts and conformed the story to meet your goal.

No, kidding, membership dropped.

That is the most obvious comment I have ever heard.    

So then, that was the goal, drop union membership? You have to say yes, yuck.     I thought Jon Doe told me something else on the campaign trail.    
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Walker is Jon Doe, right?

Recall fails, Milwaukee county might have the criminal in cuffs before he can celebrate too much so don't get too excited just yet.

What a Scumbag. ANd you talk about wasted tax dollars, this ***************e used the same tax dollars to buy his own seat, and you think that is ok just because you follow his party.

Talk about Chicago style politics.

Somebody needs to get folks working again with money to burn. The poker tables have been so depressing, my retirement is imminent. Maybe I need to spend more time in Tunica, they are "right to work", so that must be where the money flows.
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Another interesting factoid is that public union membership has gone down dramatically since Walker's reforms. It used to be mandatory that public union members dues were automatically taken from their government paycheck and sent directly to the unions.

Walker stopped that practice, and said that if an individual wanted to be a member of a public union, they could pay it out of their own pocket, but, thte state would no longer automatically do the unions dirty work for them.

Guess what.....public union membership has dropped like a rock since individuals now have a choice as to whether or not they want to be in a union. A summary is as follows:

"The Wisconsin branch of the American Federation of Teachers has lost some 6,000 of its 17,000 members. And membership in the state’s chapter of AFSCME has plummeted from nearly 63,000 to just 29,000 in just one year."

Full article here.......

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Brought property taxes down? For who? My WI property taxes went up, how about yours? Wisconsin was also last in the nation in job creation. 50th out of 50. How's that? Not that I think the dufus running against him is any better.

John,
Mine went down 10% It depends on what school district you are in. Here's what happened under the Walker regime: He passed a bill that allowed each district to go out in the private sector and purchase medical insurance. Previously, the districts were required to purchase all the med insurance through the unions. Guess what was found out. The exact same policy was thousands cheaper since the unions were charging extra $$$$. Funny but that sure didn't surprise me!!!! I believe there were only 3 districts in the state that stuck with the union purchased medical.


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Wow, Chief Executive.net. The final authority! My daughters boyfriends online bicycle magazine, tenspeedhero.com, has a larger circulation than Chief Executive Magazines 42,000. Didn't they write that article on space aliens posing as CFOs.It was just before the article that told you my Wisconsin property taxes went down.
Based on the depressed housing market I was informed by the assessors office that the assessed value of my Wisconsin property had decreased. Rather than decreasing my taxes they increased the multiplier driving my taxes higher than they were before on a property with reduced value. My Illinois property taxes did go down however.
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It must be just a coincidence then that Wisconsin has moved from 41st to 20th in the best states to do business in according to Chief Executive Magazine in the past two years....since Walker has been governor. The worst states were California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Taxachusetts. Starting to see a common thread?

There are many erroneous facts and figures being thrown around on this issue It all depends on what you want to believe I suppose. Let's take jobs for example. The Democrats were claiming that Walker had a loss of 30,000 jobs. That was because they only polled 3% of business. But, when the polling was complete, Wisconsin had actually gained 23,000 jobs officially according the Federal numbers just released over the past week or so.

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Wisconsin is only state to lose jobs six straight months

               By      ASSOCIATED PRESS
            Monday, March 5, 2012

Wisconsin desperately needs new jobs.

Alone among the 50 states, it has lost private-sector jobs for six straight months, raising the political and economic stakes of the next jobs report, due Thursday.

Even feeble job creation would bring a sense of relief to a recession-weary state and a pro-business governor who campaigned on a promise to add 250,000 new private-sector jobs in his current term.

“The rest of the nation is moving upwards. We’re one of the few states moving downward. There’s something wrong,” said economist Steven Deller of UW-Madison.

The United States as a whole has added private-sector jobs 23 months in a row, including almost a half million jobs in the past two months.

But Wisconsin has been moving in the opposite direction, a trend that not only threatens Gov. Scott Walker’s campaign promise but could cloud any message of economic renewal as the state heads into a recall election.

For a full story, read Monday’s Gazette, read online in the Gazette’s E-Edition or check back at GazetteXtra.com.
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And here is your balanced budget. Higher taxes, more debt. Where have you been reading about a balanced budget?

The state prepares annual projections on whether taxes and other sources of money will be enough to pay off the spending approved in the current budget. An October 2011 report predicted a $72.7 million surplus, but since then projected tax collections have dropped by $272.8 million. Combined with other decreases in anticipated revenue, the state would be $143.2 million short when the current budget expires at the end of June 2013, according to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau.
The projected tax collections dropped after economic forecasts became more pessimistic. Also, revenues are expected to decrease because of changes in state law that could result in higher income tax returns this year compared with last year and law changes that could reduce corporate income and franchise tax collections.
Under state law, the governor’s office is required to submit a bill to balance the budget if there is a significant shortfall. The administration is considering ways to balance the ledger, such as refinancing or restructuring debt, according to the fiscal bureau report.
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