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While the exact words aren't in there everyone knows that the 1st amendment is referred to as the "Separation of Church and State" [/QUOTE]

The first amendment was written in 1791 with 2 clauses about religion, neither using the termonology seperation of church and state, they were placed to protect state rights. Most states at that time had established state sponsored religions, they also remembered the power of the church of England and did not want the federal governmnet to establish a religious preference that might be in conflict with their own. Thomas jefferson wrote in personal papers of a wall between church and state protecting the church from the government. Origionally the first amendmant applied only to congress, it was not until a 1925 (134 after the first amendment)court decision in New York that the the first amendmant was interpreted to apply to state and local government. The language of separation of church and state came from a 1947 court decision (Everson vs. Board of education)(156 years after the first amendment). The opinion was written by Justice Hugo Black. He was not a big fan of religion in general and had a particular disdain for catholicism. Black interpretted Jeffersons writtings of a wall between church and state as being a two way wall that keeps government from establishing a religion and keeps religion from government. Just another example of an activist judge creating law that was never intended by the authors of the constitution based on a loose interpretaion and personal belief. This is a technical explanation beyond what most know about what you call "seperation of church and state" amendment, that everyone knows about.

I watched the video and she is correct in making the technical point that the sepaeration of church and state is not in there. I honestly can not tell if she is questioning or or confirming that the clause about the government not establishing a religion. She states "That is in the first amendment" you can decide if there is a question mark on the end. Either way her point is correct as pointed out above. You have refered to her as "Chick" and "Retarded", I am wondering where all this hate and refusal to honor alternative view points comes from? I thought my party was supposed to have a monopoly on that.

Okie Boarder wrote: phospher wrote: 65 'cuda wrote: Half of American households get Govt benefits, HALF...think about that. Source: Entitlements grow Yeah, that is staggering. The article also goes on to say, "More than half of U.S. workers don't earn enough to be taxed" Are you saying this is a good thing or a bad thing? On the whole Christine O'Donnell thing, I heard a couple sound bites the other day that absolutely cracked me up. Here are the two things that caught my attention: 1. Her opponent could not correctly name the 5 freedoms the 1st Amendment protects. 2. She was correct and her opponent incorrect about the fact the Constitution says nothing about "Seperation of Church and State". It's funny how people who actually know the Constitution and what it says get bashed on. Is that because it doesn't help serve the agenda of those that are trying to convince us it says something different than it does?

Really? What, did you hear that from FoxNews, Limbaugh, or Drudge?

Did you even watch the videos? How can you possibly defend this chick? While the exact words aren't in there everyone knows that the 1st amendment is referred to as the "Separation of Church and State" Watch the videos then report back. It is clear she didn't know anything about the 1st Amendment.


Coons: "Government shall make no establishment of religion."
O'Donnell: "That's in the First Amendment?"


There are a lot politicians on both sides of the isle that are not fit to run for public office. Don't be such a bigot.

eric lavine wrote: voting independent, just for the sake that i can bitch

Too bad that party will never survive..

eric lavine wrote: I really dont think i will vote this time around. I

They say in the medical field "first do no harm"

the true unemployment rate right now is 17%, im holding my cash now for a better word "
lack of trust" I really dont think i will vote this time around. I can slowly see the dollar being de-valued and levling off making things affordable again to create or start spending. a good example is housing, typically a house around here that was going for 300k is now down around 150k, im sure that trend is following across the country. the down side is alot owe 360k on these houses and they are re-appraised at the 160 mark. but again that kills the tax base for the city. Im pretty disgusted with everything, I wont leave cash in the bank, or in investment accounts, i backed way off on spending and trimmed alot of fat..and went back to basics.'
i financed 15 years on my house and sht, i had to take out a second. it wouldve been paid off in 2 years, it was appraised for the same what i paid for it, it really should have close to doubled, which well, it wouldve made things easier with no house payment. but sht happens

eric lavine wrote: its a meaningless job paying someone unskilled in this country 35.00 bucks an hour to inject plastic, on the flipside the nips get about .50 cents an hour to do the same job. thats what im getting at.

Eric. Look at why we get35 hour. Unions and why does 35 become 70 to the employer. Taxes and government mandates.Tarifs only serve to raise the prices of what we buy because our competitors enact their own in retaliation, our labor will always be higher. We need to do what we do best. (Create, and innovate) and their are lots of jobs associated with that. If we can reduce taxes and work for reasonable wages we will be fine. We must level the playing field any way we can. increasing our fededral spending by 3 trillion this year did nothing to help that.

Clinton the Great savior just coasted and partied through 8 years after Reagan.

That being said if the democrats are going to keep rewarding the lazy and the poor working slob is going to pay for it there will be more lazy people, that's pretty simple to follow.

now remember, Clinton left with 1.5 trillion in surplus, adding that in where did Bush leave it?
everyone looks to the guiding light and says create jobs, how do you create jobs without spending money? creating jobs start at me and you in our everyday choices, im not getting back on that wagon, simple everyday choices we make will create jobs. the government is a monitor unless it was a dictatorship and forced you to make a decision. get back to the basics and think what made this country a great and powerful country. hint: industrial revolution????? weve lost all sense of that, our steel plants were the greatest in the world and are now sitting idle because we prefer to buy an inferior product because the cost is better, necessarily the quality is not.'
face it, how do you create jobs? the computer revolution is almost over and you can buy them for 200 bucks. so whats next? when you dont have anything to work with you will be running in the red. it is business 101 and i think Obama thought what Roosevelt or Truman did by dumping money into infrastructure it would cure the economy. you have to put money into pockets to create spending.'
there is no way possible at this point to look at the government to cure the economy, you have to impose tariffs, you need the banks to start giving out money again under stricter guidelines, place incentives on things to make the purchase more desirable.'
this busted my balls the other day, i purchesed some front marker lights for a 99 Corvette last week, i couldve bought them for 22.00 a piece aftermarket, I opted not to though because that sht is fcn junk. I got them OEM direct from GM for 46.00 apiece.....fck!!!! flipped them over and they were branded, Made in China. thats the problem, its a meaningless job paying someone unskilled in this country 35.00 bucks an hour to inject plastic, on the flipside the nips get about .50 cents an hour to do the same job. thats what im getting at.

btw, my next vote wont go to Obama, it was a temporary fix in my eyes, to this day i cant rationalize why we are in Iraq or even in A-stan burning up 20 billion a month. I think the real problem is right down the road on Pa avenue, A politician is a politician and we are at a crossroads, when one comes to my door at the local level all i think in my head is you tell me what i want to hear, get in office and all that is gone, they want to get in a position of power for personal gain. I lost all faith in politicians and when i see one i begin to think to myself, what a scumbag bottem feeder. who do you believe?

eric lavine wrote: ski, directly or indirectly..they did its amazing what people dont believe I suppose to this day you believe there was WMD, you were told that so i suppose you believe that....what this thread is about is the loss of trust in our government and the shysters running it.'

Eric, He used them on the Curds. How can you denie he had theme!!!!! we found cleaned up mobile labs, empty warheads with chemicle residue, and also removed over five tons of yellow cake uranium out of iraq in the clean up phase. I dont think that was for cancer treatment. If it was that big of a conspiracy don't you think the CIA would have planted a few things for the boys to find just to back up w's story. I know your mind is made up and you dont want to be confused by the facts, but give it a rest. For the record I am sure bush lied about something. He is a politician. You can tell when they are lying because thier lips are moving. Just like when Obama said "I will reach across the isle" "I am not an idealog" "You will be able to keep your own insurance" "Healthcare reform will be budget nuetral" " If we do not pass the stimulus unemployment will go over 8%" and "I will not rest until we fix the economy" Why is it you cant get over Bush doing it but you let it go from all others?

phospher wrote: skicat2001, Here is your girl, just like her friend Palin. Retarded. Funny, Christine O'Donnell blanks on First Amendment. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/10/20/ac.odonnell.constitution.gaffe.cnn?hpt=C2

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Oboma goofs

I'm not sure why we tend to blame the President when Congress is the one enacting these bills that take us in a negative direction as a country.

Along the lines of the Energy Bill from back during the Carter years is the Fair Housing related legislation. Much like the Energy bill causing more harm than good, the housing bills have created quite a problem 20-30 years later.

Sign on side of road says democrat kittens for sale. Gyy drives by and asks the kid how much. The kids answers 5 dollars and the guy says he will think about it. Next day the guy returns but now the sign says republican kittens 10 bucks. He asks the kid what changed. The kid says today they have their eyes open.

eric lavine wrote: BTW, 89ski, the US military uses more petroleum than the US consumers

Most of that is in Pelosi's Jet

so I see when bad things happen it wasnt the party before responsible? thats usually how things go when something good happens.

Obama got voted in because of the greedy pubs, i thought i would never vote in a ------ you guys left nothing on the board, Palin what a fcn joke. the GOP still cant get it together....I would really be worrying about another 2 years from now.....or you are going to see the same sht.....fck, the way it was going Bush and his boys wouldve had you guy's
talked into invading Canada