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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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I've always put their Perma Dry or Perma Dry Plus gaskets like this one on ....................dry and not had any leaks.
Most all of their literature for these type gaskets say dry with no sealant, maybe yours says something different. |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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This is the one I got hope it will fit -- Fel-Pro Marine Oil Pan Gaskets SFL17998
It said to use some kind of sealant , any suggestions Think I will leave the oil pump as is |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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It seems that this question has multiple answers like most of the ones you've asked.
One answer might be "not necessary, leave it alone Another might be "the pan is off and the pump is staring you in the face, why not replace it now?" If you were to replace it, don't get a high volume oil pump for a couple of reasons One reason is that it's not needed Another is that it won't fit under a stock PCM 351 oil pan. It'll contact the pan before the pan is seated on the block. making it kinda hard to bolt the pan on ![]() That's for a Melling Hi volume pump Also a 1 piece oil pan gasket makes life so much easier than the typical 4 piece. They're pricier but they work great. One example would be FelPro OS30214T for your 351W. |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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ok so no need to remove oil pump?
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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I say it's no problem. Between taking it out of the boat with a tractor and setting it on wooden blocks and then getting it onto an engine stand, it probably got tipped enough to empty out the filter somewhere along the way Also I don't know what you did to get the pan off, maybe drain the oil and roll it over on the stand to do it the easy way, but that would empty the filter out too if there was anything left in it.at that time It doesn't have to tilt much to the right side to empty the filter. (at least the part you can see) I have one on an engine stand that came out of a running truck and got jostled around some getting it out and onto the stand and that filter was empty when I checked it. |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Can this be explained, as I have never had it happen before.
I took the valve covers and oil pan off to paint and decided to go ahead and remove oil filter...It had no oil in it Anyone else had this or do I have another problem ![]() |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Update:
Started painting engine. Still got to remove Valve covers,Oil pan and Distributor will be a new one---- |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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I guess I will use a wire brush on drill first to get in all the crevis'; it is pretty dirty
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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John, I suggest a solvent like Toluene. It has great solvency and won't evaporate quickly like Acetone will. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21212 |
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Don’t clean with water. Acetone on a clean rag. |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Also suggestions on cleaning engine without wetting wrong parts so I can paint. I've been taking parts off but then I got a hole to cover....
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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That's OK, Pete has an electronic module in his ![]() |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Roger That,
I'm thinking of putting the upgraded ignition in it..... |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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From here it looks like a clipdown Prestolite with the right gear already on it. That would have been the original 83 distributor. You'd make Pete so proud, an original distributor complete with a set of points ![]() Whatever you do, don't throw that RR gear on the ugly distributor away. They're scarce and getting scarcer |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Yes I got it running then decided to pull and do boat I got this- ![]() |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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Well, the good news is the RR distributor gear should fit the EBAY distributor you linked. It may need to have a new hole drilled to have the gear at the right height on the shaft...... or it may be OK. I'd make sure you can get it off with no damage before getting the other distributor There's info about the height measurement etc. or you could ask here if you decide to go that route. A 94 block will have a 1 piece rear main seal compared to the 2 piece you have now It may or may not have brass freeze/casting/core/expansion plugs depending on where it came from. I suppose you don't really know what you have inside that engine. I don't remember, did this engine run when you got it? |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Here is Distributor
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Well I checked the casting # and the engine is a 94 not a 83 as I thought.
Good or bad -don't know ![]() Also suggestions on cleaning engine without wetting wrong parts. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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Well, I suppose the 100% foolproof method would be to replace both of the head gaskets and both the front and rear transmission seals and the rear main seal or rebuild everything. If there was no water in the engine oil or the transmission, the seals didn't leak so depending on how deep you want to go into things and how much you're planning on spending that would be something for you to decide. See the separate post on the distributor. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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That would work with the right gear it's the Prestolite screwdown cap distributor that was used starting in 87 or so. It comes without a cap or rotor, you can find them at SkiDim or you can go on EBAY and punch in these numbers for the screwdown cap and rotor PCM RA108003 cap PCM R103004 rotor or OMC 984401 cap OMC 982880 rotor A little shopping will save you some money ![]() You'd need a Reverse Rotation gear since the one in the EBAY listing is for normal rotation. The gear on your present distributor must be a RR gear that the guy pirated from the original Prestolite. The present one looks like an Autolite/Motorcraft distributor that has the same shaft size of .530 inches. Before doing anything I'd pull the distributor and post a picture of the gear |
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rosconole ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-10-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 763 |
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You might find some one with a bead blast cabinet and see if you can save distributor, but its gonna take some time, its not rusted yet but its on its way. Looks like you have some other parts that need it as well. Ford blue or silver NOT a chevy color please.
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Would this distributor work
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Ford-Prestolite-Marine-Distributor-E5JL-12100-CA-Prestolite-7020S-NEW/331680410097?epid=1622285754&hash=item4d39b169f1:g:G1MAAOSwl9BWHH1m |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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JT Here are a few thoughts Picture 1....... only the previous owner knows if those rust streaks were there before he replaced the heads and he just didn't clean or paint anything. Picture 2....... on the damper there's that ugly rust line I mentioned earlier meaning the water level was high enough to have your front seal on the transmission underwater for quite a period of time (and maybe the rear main seal on the engine too) Also a number of the damper springs were underwater for quite a while too, but you're already replacing the damper anyways. Picture 3..........That distributor has at least a couple of problems First, it's just plain ugly Second, that big gaping rectangular hole in the body is where a vacuum advance mechanism once lived meaning it's an automotive unit that isn't spark protected. Back to picture 2, the cement blocks look to be in pretty good shape ![]() |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Never assume --- I ordered the pre-trimmed version. But question 2 does it look like I need a head gasket. These have been replaced, has new heads/redone heads. Just worrying about all that rust below head |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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John,
Yes, there is a $20 cheaper version of the damper. I linked the already trimmed version after thinking it may be easier for you feeling you may not be equipped for it. Sorry if I assumed wrong. |
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jterr ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: February-13-2018 Location: N. Florida Status: Offline Points: 621 |
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Update:
I took the Exhaust off and tranny to replace the damper. See pics- Under left header The damper and tranny Bottom of distributor(I hope I can clean and paint, if the above is not catastrophic) |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11266 |
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I sorta thought that Pete and I sorta think that you don't know what John's flywheel is made of either ![]() Unless you want to tell us all that cast iron and steel are the same thing. They're not a lot different, but they both rust. You could also mention the 20 dollar cheaper version of the damper plate (ALTDA-106) that takes some trimming. You know, it's the one you used. Then you could tell him how you trimmed yours and a bunch of other people have done the same. Here's a link about it in case you forgot link |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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John,
When you go for engine paint, do get the engine primer. The primer makes a big difference in how the finish coat comes out. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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John,
I mentioned the damper plate. Here's the best price at ebasic power |
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