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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Good morning Eric! would ya have a second some time so i could give ya a call about the transom. thanks jeff
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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at what age do we become dirty old men?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Eric, I thought this was CQ's line!! ![]() |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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btw, a portable hand planer would whack that down in under a minute
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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obviously once the first piece is in you cloth and glass the corners with heavy woven
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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first, how thick is the mounting area? and are there 2 pieces of ply bonded together? normally you'll have a layer of gel, then glass and finally 2, 3/4 pieces of ply back to back
you'll notice the mounting studs on the gimble are 2.5 or so long. rmember the forces that are pushing a 3500 lb boat are all transfered thru the transom unlike an inboard. good qaulity ply...not marine, cpes highly recommended in this area. As I said, I make my pattern, pre fit the ply, drill my mount holes, coat liberally to waterproof, mix it on the cool side, lay the piece up in there and go to town with clamps, inluding any thru holes i will use pre determined bolt and nuts to clamp, including tie down holes....anything that has a hole...I have long arm vice grips that i will use thru the gimble hole to reach other ares and at the corners I will tie in kickers screwed to the stringers or anything solid |
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Gary ! you are correct [drain plug]
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I vote to leave it.Could it be there for a reason like drain plug support? That is a drain plug there right?
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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See the build up of resin on bottom would ya cut it out or leave it.
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Here is a pic of transom prior to planing! Eric, how am i going to attach the wood to transom. can you give me a step by step and the best products to use , thanks again.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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to clarify, i do see the stress cracks on the outside transom, and i dont use the planer on the outside of the boat, address those cracks once all is done and stable on the inside
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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normally, the first piece of ply goes from corner to corner, the second piece covers the drive hole with extra. i cardboard template the first piece and fit, coat both sides and edges, let dry, scuff with 80, coat ply and use bolts thru gimble holes and tie off holes to clamp along with extended vice grips, at times i will put kickers in from the stringers to the ply to help in clamping
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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on I/O's they bond 2, 3/4" pieces of ply for drive stability, its 1.50 thick. its a beeoch to get off.... thats what i use the portable hand planer for.....you'll know when your close to the gel, when you get to that point you lower the blade....from the inside, once i skin the ply, then i'll come in with a mud hog with 80 grit to finish the gel for now bonding, dont be afraid of the planer the glass is real thick back there.
Conn, maybe you can post a pic of the inside of the transom for reference? |
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WOFTAM ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: July-14-2010 Location: SW Michigan Status: Offline Points: 97 |
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I was thinking of going at the transom core from the inside. Use a circular saw to cit through one layer of the glass, use a grinder to bevel both sides of the cut before removing the skin, then gently remove the inside skin. Use the Fein to get under the existing wet ply, but not damage the outer skin. Replace new CPES treated ply a la vacuum bag and epoxy with the filler of your choice. More epoxy on the inside skin after being prepared, pull another vacuum to re-apply the skin. Build up with 1", 2" and 4" tape around the cut referenced at beginning of the post. This was a way I would replaced rotten core under nonskid sections on sailboats. Those patterns were always a challenge to match.
Anyhow, maybe worth a try here? |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Mike, I have to agree that the Fein is a great tool. I've had one for years and yes, paid dearly for it before all the cheap copies came out. One thing though, I believe Eric was talking about a power hand planer for skimming the gel off a transom. ![]() |
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WOFTAM ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: July-14-2010 Location: SW Michigan Status: Offline Points: 97 |
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Last post should read Fein Multimaster. Dang autotext..
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WOFTAM ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: July-14-2010 Location: SW Michigan Status: Offline Points: 97 |
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Hey Connorsons
I have to give a plug for an oscillating tool for that transom. I cannot tell you how much I love my Rein multimaster. I have recited so many boats with it I cannot even count. Of course the market is flooded with them now. I heard their patent expired ...I have seen dremel Milwaukee Bosch Rockwell and even Harbor Freight with oscillating tool models. Don't skimp on the blades though. I tried a HF. Blade for kicks and it lasted about 30 min before the teeth were rounded. By comparison some of my Rein blades are years old. I have bought Bosch blades in a pinch and they seem to hold up pretty well. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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now you know what i do in between transmissions lol, put my share of transoms in and alot of repairs on the Alpha/ gimble rings, crack the drive in half and put a new impeller in there, new rubber and shift cable...dont ask why just do it... lol really, invest in a new shift cable to the drive or the boat will stall everytime you put it into reverse because of the interupter switch.
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Thank for the info Eric! will pick up planer today
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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the baffles are about the size of a coffee can cut in half and mount directly to the transom and they have their own outlet tips that go out the back of the boat, cuts the open header noise in half, really is annoying with straight pipes on I/O's. when it comes to manifolds on these boats i can always think of better ways to spend the money, if its open checkbook, go with your gut. But, I think a pair of Mercs would be the way to go. if your going with a stroked engine there is plenty of useable horsepower
1986 is when they switched to a one piece RM, so the 87 coupling will fit on the crank. when you get to the point of aligning the engine to the drive i will send you my extra tool, but i need it back. The planer is definitely the way to go to skin the transom, it gets right down to the glass, I have a twin engine boat i have to put a transom in next month and i am not looking forward to it, I threw him a high price to dis courage him and he said OK, when should i bring it? fckkkkkk!!! not so bad though I guess, I need something to fill my days |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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Jeff, I'll call you later thins morning. I posted a better picture. The elbows did come off an Interceptor V Drive engine.
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Good morning eric! yes the chubby is a 1 piece rear main, the newer OD is a 87model do ya think there will be a problem. was thinking of going with either aluminum mercruiser replacements 650 complete or the MP2K from michigan motors 1300 bones. the manifold are a long way off but need to be considered during this build
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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if you do happen to go with thru hull, they do make a set of baffles, believe me the noise will be annoying as fck after a while, the baffles tame down the noise a bit and the complaints, open exhaust on an I/o is a touch louder than the norm of an inboard
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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also, if you put a new gimble bearing in and U-joints, which i hope you would while its off, buy them from Napa and not Merc....Merc gimble bearings and u-joints deleted the zerc fittings and a grease hole on the bearing so you cant service them....bastards
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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you gotta watch, if you purchase a pre 86 chubby, it is a 2 piece rear main with different crank which warrants a different alpha drive coupling, after 86 is a 1 piece rear main, and to a different coupling....a little pricey and worth purchasing a new one because they tend to fail often.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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if your going to skin the wood off the transom, buy yourself a portable hand planer, works well, I have a ton of Chevy Merc takeouts with all the ornaments hanging if you need any parts. google silent choice, alot of Mercs use them,
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Hay Riley ! I cant see them thay are to small, are thay alum or cast? i might have a issue with exh cause of the way the steering hooks up do to being a out drive
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connorssons ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-17-2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 1414 |
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Worked on the sep today, removed the keel board [thanks tim] it wasnt rotten but it was soaked
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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This is the best pic I got. It's from the ebay listing when we got them. I want the manifolds, but don't need the elbows. ![]() |
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