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I've used the following company to purchase staples many times. They're inexpensive and ship very, very quickly.
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I have a question though....I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery? The crown is a little narrower but they're heavier gauge wire.
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Originally posted by dip dip wrote:

I have a question though....I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery? The crown is a little narrower but they're heavier gauge wire.

Darren,
I'd worry about the vinyl pulling through the narrow crown. The only thing boat related I've used my narrow crown for is fastening bunk carpet to the trailers and installing hide-em welt. We do have some upholstery pro's here so maybe they will comment. I'm curious too.


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Originally posted by dip dip wrote:

I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery?


It could hold upholstery if used at the right air pressure and quantities but I would say it is not appropriate for the following reasons.

1) I use a 3/8" leg staple for boat upholstery, I have never seen narrow crown staples that short.
2) As Pete said their ability to hold vinyl is reduced with the narrower head.
3) If you ever went back to re-upholster again you would hate yourself. They would be a lot harder to remove.
4) The 18 guage staples would be abusive to your seat structures, especialy on removal.
5) You would miss using a perfectly good excuse to buy a new tool.
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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:


5) You would miss using a perfectly good excuse to buy a new tool.


This being the most important reason by far!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote akabulla Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-22-2010 at 1:21pm
That was by far the best part of my rebuild!! It wasn't that I had a nice boat to ski behind, it was the fact I got lots of shiny new tools I needed for the job
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I'm about to order a box of staples from FastenerUSA. What length would be best? since they come in boxes of 10,000 I would prefer to only get one length if I can.
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3/8ths are what I usually use. They are short enough to be removed and not cause to much damage but long enought to go through welt or a few layers of vinyl.
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3/8ths it is then. I'm about to have shiny new staples to go with my shiney new tools.
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Originally posted by Chris4x4gill2 Chris4x4gill2 wrote:

I'm about to have shiny new staples to go with my shiney new tools.


Now I'm jealous.
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Just wait till you have those shiny new skins on your seats and a new skill set to brag about.
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I pulled all of the old skins off over the weekend, all excet the motor box. I have about 3 or 4 od the wooden bases I need to rebuild, either partially or completely, everything else was in good shape.

I also finished two of my "Honey Do" projects so now that they are out of the way I can clear the garage sapce back out to build these seat bases.
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Chris,
Keep us posted on your progress, particularly words of wisdom or encouragement. I can't wait to get my skins and get started too. My other project is a carb rebuild. Its sitting on my workbench waiting for me to dedicate the time.
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Ask LAKESIDE.

Originally posted by LAKESIDE LAKESIDE wrote:

Thanks ..Yes that is what i do for a living...Last 23 years.. I bought the sn about a month ago. Completely redone the whole inside..
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Darren - Carb rebuild was last winters project for me. Its really not that bad but I would recommend a good workbench book if you dont have one and have never done it before. I used this one book
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Thanks Chris, I just ordered it.

Hollywood, LAKESIDE did such an incredible job I actually wanted to order my skins from him.
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Skins are boxed up and will ship to CopyCat today. Hopefully I'll have new ones in hand in about 3 weeks. I still have to redo some of the seat frames so I will be ready to re-install.
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chris,
any special trick to getting the motorbox skin off?? was it glued as well as stapled?? i need to remove/repair/replace my motor box skin this winter and I'm worried that it's glued on and will get damaged during removal.
thanks.
As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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NO staples at all in the motor box. It was glued at the bottom 4-6 inches only all the way around. Only other things in the way were the bolts for the hunges and handle.

It was the easiest one to strip.... There is a thin bit of foam at that point on the back side of the vinyl with glue between that and the fiberglass of the motor box. I lightly cut through the glue / foam with a razorblade and it came right off.
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MI-Nick,
   a heat gun can be your best friend with this stuff.... glue will usually soften when heated.   be careful and patient. don't allow anything to get too hot or you stand a chance of burned fingers, parts, and true frustration.

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It really did come off easily, when I say I used a razorblade, I was just cutting fibers that were pulling loose due to the glue as I seperated the vinyl from the fiberglass.

I didnt use a heat gun, but it would probably help make it come off even easier.
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thanks guys!! i'll start a separate thread and post pics when i actually get started.
As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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I have the carpet stripped out and removed all the decals. I began wetsanding and I'm already regretting starting on it (almost) I have heavy oxidization especially on the red stripe, so far I'm using 400 grit and it seems to be clearing everything up well. I'm scared to go any lower on paper. As I progress with the 400 I just keep thinking about how many more passes with the finer grits its going to take ot get done!
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^^^thats why i refuse to wetsand mine. imo its worth the time being a 94 and its a boat. still looks good with a buff n wax. good luck and post some before and after pics!
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Not to ask an insulting question but are you using anything in your water to break the surface tension while you wetsand? If not, try using a very diluted solution of Murphy's Oil soap in a spray bottle as the "wet" in your wetsanding. The soap breaks the surface tension of the water and allows the paper to cut much better. You only need a small amount in the solution.
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i was using just plain dish soap mixed in the water.
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Originally posted by Chris4x4gill2 Chris4x4gill2 wrote:

I have the carpet stripped out and removed all the decals. I began wetsanding and I'm already regretting starting on it (almost) I have heavy oxidization especially on the red stripe, so far I'm using 400 grit and it seems to be clearing everything up well. I'm scared to go any lower on paper. As I progress with the 400 I just keep thinking about how many more passes with the finer grits its going to take ot get done!


Since my gel is red I was having these feelings too once I got all the way around with the course grit. The entire boat looked hazy. It goes a lot faster once you get to the finer grits because you are not trying to remove major blemishes. The end result is really gratifying!

Not bad for 37 year old red gel
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Thanks for the encouragement Keegan. I know this first pass is going ot be the worst, but there sure are a lot of steps ahead of me too.
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Started rebuilding the seat bases over the weekend, first ones came out pretty good I think, still have to waterproof them. Its been too cold too really work on them last few weeks. We arent use to these 20 deg temps and my little shop heater couldnt keep up. Vinyl should be in late this week or next.
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Finished doing the starboard side with 400 grit last night. I ran out of paper at that point so I switched gears a little bit. I mixed up a quantity of CPES and hit any exposed wood and screw holes on the boat. USed the left over to coat the staple holes on the new seat bases I made over the weekend. I plan to pick up some more 400 grit today and I should be back to sanding in a day or two.
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Chris,
Have you gotten your skins back from Copycat? If so, how do they look?
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