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    Posted: August-20-2009 at 10:56am
From previous posts the way described to ID these heads was by the 3 line raised casting marks at the front of the heads. Do the heads also have this casting mark (GT40P)to identify them correctly as GT40P's. I have found a set in Australia just trying to confirm they are correct.





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Hello Mark,
The ones I have seen also have those marks. Looks like a rare find for down under. I can't see any reason to doubt them as it would take more effort to fake them than to buy them. Do I wan't to know how much you had to pay for them?
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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

From previous posts the way described to ID these heads was by the 3 line raised casting marks at the front of the heads.



Only thing I can add Mark is the gt40's have 3 raised lines and the P's are supposed to have 4
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Joe I priced up my 2V/3V Cleveland head conversion onto the 351W block (Clevor)and by the time you buy intake manifold and change the pistons to suit the canted valves. The price gets out there and if you were going to all that trouble you may as well stick the stroker crank in as well.
Yeh you need to replace the exhaust manifolds also, ah... what the heck may as well buy Hi-teks.( I dont think they make clevo hi-teks anyway). But it is easy to get carried away.

So I think the GT40P's a cam with more exhaust duration and a intake manifold will be what I end up with. May be able to break 50mph but I think 59mph is at least AUS$7K away.
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Lewy, I see 4 bars on top (like Gary mentioned, 4 bars = P heads), and the casting under the valve cover is a good clue as well. Definitely GT40p's.

I think you'll be really happy with a head/cam/intake upgrade. My '90 has all the holeshot and midrange you could ever want in a ski boat. Im sure that package in a 2001 would push it over 50 pretty easily.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   Im sure that package in a 2001 would push it over 50 pretty easily.


Come on Tim you of all people should know that there ain't nothing easy about over 50. My guess is it takes 350 hp in that hull to get a legit 51 mph and that has to be hp at the right rpm with the right prop.

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Joe, Ive been in a few 2001's that do 45-46 with a stock 240hp engine and an Acme 540. I was able to add 5+ mph to a hull with a lot more drag than most. Add a H/C/I upgrade similar to my '90 and I think its a recipe for a 50mph 2001. Ill keep working on Brad to see if we can modify his stock workhorse '86 in order to prove that theory.
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Mine spins 44k and 44mph... with the bottom waxed it makes it to 45...

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Originally posted by behindpropeller behindpropeller wrote:

Mine spins 44k and 44mph... with the bottom waxed it makes it to 45...

44,000 RPM, yikes! You must have a 13"x1" prop!

Seriously, what prop are you running? The 2001's Ive been in consistently spin the 540 to 4600-4700. Its good for a 1-2mph gain over the stock 3-blade.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by behindpropeller behindpropeller wrote:

Mine spins 44k and 44mph... with the bottom waxed it makes it to 45...

44,000 RPM, yikes! You must have a 13"x1" prop!

Seriously, what prop are you running? The 2001's Ive been in consistently spin the 540 to 4600-4700. Its good for a 1-2mph gain over the stock 3-blade.


Tim-

I put a turbine in it....


Spinning a 540. Guess my tach may be off. I should take my GPS out to see what it is doing. All stock 1600 hours.

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There is a huge difference between 47 and 50 on a 2001. I threw a dynoed 401 hp at one and got 52.8. Right now I am running the backup 351 with tristate's ironflow racing heads, a CR roller cam, port matched stealth, scorpion roller rockers, msd ignition, demon carb, ugpraded fuel system, and whatever the heck else I had left over around the shop and with tuning and the right prop she might make an honest 50 but I am not holding my breath...
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I have only tried top speed with only myself in the boat,and even after the head change my speed is the same 45. Hole shot and mid range seem better. I need to get a couple of passengers and possibly a new prop and give that a try.
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I GPS tested my 89 last year with the Acme 422 and got 47.1mph after a bit of tuning.

Will try it again in the coming weeks with a bit more ballast in the rear before I change to much.
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my new gt40p heads have the 4 bars.. they have a casting number that starts with 9...
hope i can get to 47-49 with all my upgrades!!!
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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

I GPS tested my 89 last year with the Acme 422 and got 47.1mph after a bit of tuning.

Now that is thoroughly impressive for a stock motor. I only kissed 48 on my '90 with 4 people in the back seat and a full tank of gas! Its shameful for 350 hp.

Kap, if you have a typical hull, I would expect 46-48mph out of it after the upgrades. If your hull is on the slow side (like mine) 45-46 might be about it... but if its a fast one, you could be flirting with 50. Have you happened to note where the spray breaks on the boat when its at speed? Mine breaks around the front of the windshield (nose low), Ive seen faster hulls break as far back as the pylon or motorbox (nose high).
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Not that I´m a speed addict but 46-48 sounds good to me...could no tell about were the spray breaks on mine but y guess its a little forward of the skeggs..but as I drive the boat, I´m not sure..
When boat ready for top speed test drive I will have another boat to take some pictures, good ones as I don´t have pics of it while cruising!!!.
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Tim what make a hull faster or slower, don´t we have the same hull on our boats? Mine I guess it will be lighter than before the rebuilt as i removed like 300lbs of wet foam...
Surface its smooth no beaching here so not much wear on the gelcoat...
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Seb, each hull pops out of the mold a bit differently. There were probably multiple molds as well- so while we do have the same hull, no 2 are exactly the same.

If it came out of the mold with less hook, it will run a little more bow high, which means there is less wetted surface (drag) and the boat will run faster. You will notice that the spray breaks further back towards the pylon or motorbox on a bow-high hull.

If it came out of the mold with less hook, it will run nose low. This means more wetted surface (and more drag) and the boat runs slower. My '90 is the worst Ive seen in this regard, and the spray breaks at the forward part of the windshield- I can see it when I drive. Keith's '94 and my uncle's '90 run noticeably more bow high. My '90 was a real underperformer when I bought it- it turned a cool 41mph @ 4200 RPM's until I threw some power at it. Now I get a consistent 46, and will hit close to 48 with ideal conditions, a full tank of gas, and 4 bodies in the back seat. Its a little pathetic! Holeshot is pretty respectable though.
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this is a total hj but here the pic of how my boat rides.. Idon´t know if this pic is good as it has a rider and its at wb speed..
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Unless youve got some weight in the boat (in the rear) then it looks like it rides fairly bow-high to me. Mine runs pretty flat at all speeds.
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when that pic was taken only the dumbels in the back were on (about 150lbs) driver and 1 or 2 observers, the rider did not fit in the picture but he is back there!!!
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as for the cast on the heads, mine do have the gt40p cast on them...and the 4 bars also



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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

.( I dont think they make clevo hi-teks anyway).


quite certain they do, i found hitek indicates they make manifolds for both the 2V and 4V cleveland heads in their FAQ. Since the cleveland was built longer in australia, it seems logical.
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Sebastian,how did you get the brass freeze plugs? When I ordered mine they said I could not get them. When the warrenty goes off I'll just replace them.
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when I order the heads I specific asked for brass freeze plugs as it was for marine aplication, I spoke with jim daly there and said no problem with that...I recall they charge me some extra 5 buck for something but i don't remember if it was for the plugs or the drilling of the bigger bolt holes... i'll check the invoice tomorrow and let you know..
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I posted somewhere else that a big ford guy told me that the older Aussie ford built heads were better than the US built heads...why, I dont know, emissions? has anyone else heard this?
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Lewy. gotta good set of 460 heads you could adapt lol,
hopefully I'll have a set of 2v's soon, to swap for the 460's...I have to come up with the logistics if its possible to stroke the 302 then use the 2v's
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needless to say, i do have a good set of 460 heads, new cam set, timing set and intake manifold if anyone needs them
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I picked up those GT40p heads a couple of weeks back. Have been looking for a inlet manifold before I do the head swap. This manifold turned up on Ebay.

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It looks to be a single plane highrise. Not a air gap more like a Victor Jnr. Not sure if it will be any good for a ski boat. I know Joe put a single plane on his stroker but it had bags of torque anyway.
What do you think it only has 40mins to go so I need to act fast. We just dont see many 351W manifolds in Aus plenty of 302W.

Also would it clear the engine cover ??
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Aside from Joe and Reid, I dont know of anyone running a single plane intake manifold. Both of their engines were far from stock, so the exact results would be tough to quantify. With the 1.23, you really dont have to worry much about off-idle power falling off (up to 2500-3000 really), so you might be ok with it. The high flow parts sure would like a cam to match though!

The big issue, as you suspected, is the height. Thats going to be quite a bit taller than the dual plane intakes by the looks of it. The standard Performer (at 1.5" taller than stock) is about the only one that will clear without any modifications. Even the Perf RPM/Stealth dual planes (at 2.5") will require some level of modification. I think this single looks taller still, so youd have to get creative for the box to fit over it.

If theyre tough to find, perhaps someone in the states could send you one? I dont remember postage being too bad on the Hi-Teks... and the intake doesnt weigh a whole lot. Something to think about!
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