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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Pete, I feel just as he does, but I've yet to find the answer. I'm happy to use fir as I know how to make it fit...but will I be wondering 5 years down the road?!!?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Greg, I completely understand everyones concern with the wood. It is one of mine as well but besides building up a composite, I feel it is the easiest and most economical solution. Keep in mind that the factory made no attempts to keep water out of the wood stringers and they used polyester resin (hygroscopic) and not epoxy. If the factory job lasted say 15 to 20 years, then I would say then proper stringer job will last at least twice as long. 30 to 40 years from now we all will probably be in wheel chairs at the home and really won't need to worry about it!!
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Bhedbloom ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: December-01-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 116 |
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As a residential home builder and remodeling contractor as well as a furniture builder I am all too aware of wood and it's limitations which is why the synthetic building materials industry that produce products that DO NOT ROT has sky rocketed in the last decade!
I'm trying to think outside the box to see if there might be some better solutions for our great classic crafts. "If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you've always gotten! Rotten! On many larger vessels that have planning or semi-planing hulls I have read that high density foam is used and covered with a 1/4" layer of glass unlike my stringers that have only a thin layer of glass. At that point the glass build-up becomes the structural part of the stringer and the foam just stays in there as a support. Anybody tried this method? After a little more research I'll try something non-wood and let ya'll know how the boat performs. Thanks to everyone for all the continued input, and Happy Boating! |
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Barry, South Carolina
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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move down and read the thread titled weeding the pumpkin patch this discussion has occurred there...
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Very true, I will have opportunities to seal the wood in better than it was. I also won't be leaving any raw plywood edges exposed. Have you drawn up plans for a V-8 wheelchair yet? Somehow, I think aging will be a little different for many on this site! LOL |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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of the 2 or 3 rotted boats out there of this era there are probably 10 fold that are not rotted, these are the ones the were properly taken care of and sure the factory does do sloppy work and does not treat every piece of wood.
when you do this extensive work on a boat you are going to take care of it better than anything else in your life, when you invest this much time and energy into a boat and rotted stringers you will take the extra measures to dry the boat after use, alot of these boats sit for weeks with a foot of water in the bildge and these are the ones that rot and these are the ones that were not taken care of and thats when you come along and get a great deal on it. as in Gregs case when he is done with his boat there is no reason that he shouldnt get 40 or 50 years easily out of the boat. these boats simply do not just rot, it is the careless owners before you that make them rot. using wood is the only choice on these IMO pre 1993 |
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1413 |
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Hi
Have a look on web for this Roechling Glastic which is made in the US May be spelt Rochling in the US,you have more choice of grades,than I have in the UK, If you look under Gold Member they say it can be used for boat building/repairing,could be of some help. Roger. |
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Lets have a go
56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
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Bhedbloom ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: December-01-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 116 |
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Thanks for the additional threads. That "Pumpkin Patch" thread was a good read. A lot of good info. to noodle on. Well, I guess its time to mount the flapper disc into the grinder and get to work! I'm sure by lunch I will start reaching for the beer instead of the coffee. Y'all have a good weekend!
BuffaloBFN: That V8 wheelchair sounds like a cool idea, but only with headers, side pipes and maybe some racing slicks or monster mudd tires! |
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Barry, South Carolina
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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LOL!!! |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Eric, you make a solid point...and one that I like! I will be among those who take care of their boat. My grandfather drilled that into me years ago.
I have a pros and cons list that is much longer on the pro side of using fir. It's decided then for me. |
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SkiBum ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November-17-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 587 |
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Out of all the times this issue has been discussed, I think this is the first time somebody pointed out the importance of the care of the boat, post installation of the stringers. I understand that it is a boat, but the water is supposed to stay on the outside.
In my neighborhood there are two boats that have sat outside, uncovered, for two years. I see plenty of boats sitting in slips, uncovered with strange growth on their hull. I have seen plenty of people being very careless about getting water inside their boats while at the lake. But there is a population of responsible boat owners who are very careful while on the water; they wipe their boats dry when they pull them out of the water; and they store them inside some structure. I like to consider myself part of that group. Having said all of that, I too, thought of several options, other than fir, to replace the stringers in the '87. In the end I chose fir. Somebody else owns the boat now, but if they care for it properly, their grandchildren will be able to ski behind it 40 years from now. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Bill, You forgot to add the excellent job you did on the stringers and sealing them. Something that the factory didn't do. |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Bill, well said! Your point holds true with most things. Know that your comments are welcome over in the pumpkin patch!
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Greg, I thought of you last evening. I was watching "Modern Marvels" on the History channel and they aired the segment on engines. In that segment they report on Waukeshaw (the same that at one time made marine engines) and the large engines they put on their gensets. Because of the noise and the orange color, they call them "thunder pumpkins"!!
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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LOLOL!!! I just about fell outa my chair?!!? We were watching the very same show and we laughed so hard...I remember thinking "I wonder if any of the guys saw that?". Amy likes the nickname, but I think it needs mods... ![]() Was that 47lb pistons?!!? WOW I think I counted a V-16!!! Now that's a lot of metal in motion...I think it was constant(and low) rpms though. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Greg, Start knocking some of the baffles out of the mufflers!!
Reid is trying to figure out how to get the V16 in one of his Mustangs!! Ether that or one of those gas turbines! |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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On a serious note, there's only one small baffle...kinda tongue shaped for lack of a better term. ...if he tried to put a V-16 in a mustang, he'd need to re-roam! |
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jbear ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-21-2005 Location: Lake Wales FL. Status: Offline Points: 8193 |
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Bill: Are you still stateside doing the training thing?
If not; stay safe. Still cannot believe you sold that beautiful work of art after all that effort. john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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SkiBum ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November-17-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 587 |
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I volunteered for another mission in Afghanistan that departed in March. But I got passed over on that one. Now I train soldiers on the Stryker RV. Unless I can catch another mission I'll be stateside at least a year before I head back to a fighting unit.
Thanks for looking out. |
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jbear ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-21-2005 Location: Lake Wales FL. Status: Offline Points: 8193 |
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Thanks for looking out for us.
I am kinda glad you are still here..safe. And the training you are doing is surely needed. Miss the boat? Plans for another one? john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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