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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10775 |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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What did you find? |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Just as I suspected. Motor is shot. Who's got a recommendation on a place to order a new one?
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Yep. Starting the teardown today! |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Engine turns Right. I don't know for sure that it's a barefoot special. Just what I was told by someone. |
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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Found this delightful thing in cylinder #4
![]() When we pull plugs like this in the Funny Car (and often) our Crew Chief usually hollers "She's coming apart boys, tear her down" ![]() ![]() |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Did a “barefoot special” exist? I’ve seen several listed as such and assumed they were just misguided owners not realizing that the 454 was optional on the 2001. I know you’ve told us about the LH HO 454’s that were offered (dealer installed?) in BFN’s and SN’s during the 80’s... are these the same thing, or a different animal? Curious what distinguished them from regular models. |
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3337 |
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Which way does this engine turn?
Only Asking because some 454s in those boats turned left, and are a radically different animal regarding heads, cam, block, etc and would require care to keep the same performance. The short pylon seems odd, for a barefoot special |
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Smithfamily ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-26-2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 1602 |
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Man that's sad. Welcome to the site. She sure is a good looking boat. Hopefully you have the ability for a rebuild. And if you hustle, have her back in the water for summer? Good luck with it!!
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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I don't visit saltwater... well not anymore, now that I'm in Colorado.
But Colorado is strict to limit ANS in clean lakes, so boats have to get decontaminated when moving between bodies of water.. and the freshwater system makes the decon process much easier for the Park Rangers to perform, and quicker for me as a consumer. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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I'll get the heads off tomorrow, and then we'll know how much to ask for in a GoFundMe account! hahahahaha
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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There's more. It's bad. After I freed the hyrdrolock I tried to turn over the motor.... it turned over fine... but it made some real angry noise when it turned. Found this delightful thing in cylinder #4 ![]() And it was #7 that was locked... and with those being on L and R banks respectively, I suspect it's all ***************ed up inside the block. |
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gt40KS ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-05-2017 Location: Wichita Kansas Status: Offline Points: 943 |
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My thoughts as well Mark. Unfortunately I've heard both - a simple water reversion lockup with my old boat that cleared easily and with no damage, and a nasty hydro lock with a buddy. His was preceded by a second or two of bumping & banging and then nothing. That one didn't end well.
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MrMcD ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-28-2014 Location: Folsom, CA Status: Offline Points: 3620 |
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Hopefully it rotates smoothly once the spark plugs come out but with that much water/coolant in the pan you had a really big leak.
The bad noise you mentioned may indicate much more damage. I have heard engines water lock and not make any bad noises, they just locked up. You could reverse them with a pry bar and they went backwards fine. Any lock up caused by hydro lock will usually bend a connecting rod. Sorry, I hope you find something minor. |
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outerbanked ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: July-27-2017 Location: seattle Status: Offline Points: 104 |
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I'd be curious to see if you have any mineral build up on your heat exchanger and exhaust manifolds. The freshwaterbpackage might be something you left in the garage during the rebuild. The freshwater parts are valuable, but I am unsure they help you, unless you visit saltwater lakes.
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Interesting. I'll have to try to track that down. I'd really like to know if it was added. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Thanks! Happy to be here! Fortunately the boss told me not to take any short cuts, and spend the money to fix it right! 😎😎 |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Ian,
I too would like to welcome you to CCfan. Keep us posted with what you find. Regarding the "X" missing from the engine tag, there's a possibility that the fresh water cooling was added. Kit's are available. |
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gt40KS ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-05-2017 Location: Wichita Kansas Status: Offline Points: 943 |
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First, welcome to the forum! Good to see you started things off right with a picture
![]() Now, sorry to hear about your engine, but Yes, cracked somewhere. Hopefully it's just a head, though that still presents a few problems, mainly bent rods, cracked pistons, etc. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Something on the engine tag doesn't add up to me.. It doesn't have the X (indicating freshwater cooled), but it uses coolant, and has a closed loop cooling system with the heat exchanger and the seawater intake with strainer that dumps to exhaust after the heat exchanger.
Am I missing something? |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Drained the oil. Got almost 3 gallons of coolant, followed by thick milkshake oil. But no visible particulates or metal shavings or foreign objects that I could find.
Pulling plugs next. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Hopefully I didn't crack the block, and I can just rebuild this one... I'll know soon.
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shierh ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-29-2015 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 605 |
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Well sorry your engine failed, photos show you have a pretty nice one.
In the other big block thread I recommended finding an old Crusader Model 350 which is a 350hp 454. These were very good motors. Based on the GM industrial block and not automotive. They are a little heavier and are more buildable for someone interested in 4 bolt main bearings v 2 bold auto block. All of the ones I have seen are Heat Exchange motors therefore internal corrosion should not be an issue. You can find a right hand rotation as most of these were installed in twin engine boats from what I have seen. They were bullet proof so there are a ton of them out there especially from larger boats that have been repowered with diesels. If you cant find a right hand engine, not to worry, they are not hard to convert when rebuilding. GM parts are common for both right and left rotation. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Yeah I suspect it's right hand rotation. I'll check when I get home. Thanks I may look into ATK engines as well |
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shierh ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-29-2015 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 605 |
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There is a heavily discussed big block thread in the last few months. Engine rotation from the RV will be Left hand. Suspect you have right hand presently.
Rebuild it if it isn't cracked. (oil level being high is a concern) Oil being overfilled, drain it out and see whats at the bottom of the pan. Likely antifreeze and it did not have time to mix with oil yet. |
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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That's my plan when I get home this afternoon.
In a worst case scenario, would a 454 from an RV work? or would that just be a giant pain in the ass, and not really workable? |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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Pull the spark plugs and see what's inside
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Ian ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-26-2018 Location: Denver Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Hey guys! New here, from Denver.
Got an '85 2001 barefoot edition 454. Nice boat, great shape, new vinyl. Last night the boat died. ![]() Got her back to the dock, and took her home. It was too late last night to do much, but today I'll get in there and start troubleshooting today. I assume hydro locked, and possible cracked head. I'd love some advice. I'll post in this thread as I make progress! Here she is! ![]() |
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