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Mitts motorcade went right in front of me on my way home from the grocery store last night. I didn't even know he was in town. About 7 state patrol cars and one ambulance. At least they don't completely shut the roads down for him yet. I was honored just to watch him pass.
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Today's out of control government spending. In today's episode Barry pays off the "news" shows that have been his biggest supporters. Now we understand why he really needs more tax money, its an election year and he needs some positive press.
"The Obama administration paid a PR firm nearly $500,000 in stimulus funds to run a barrage of ads on White House-friendly cable programs promoting its green job training program. According to government records, the Labor Department paid the money in late 2009 to a company that negotiated a media buy on MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" and "The Rachel Maddow Show." The ad was set to run more than 100 times -- 14 times a week for two months. It's unclear how many people might have gotten involved in the green job training program because of the ads. But in terms of direct economic impact, the official online entry on the contract listed zero jobs created as a result of the payment." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/labor-department-spent-500g-in-stimulus-funds-on-ads-during-olbermann-maddow/#ixzz24KwKyprt |
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Joe Biden was in town today. Hard to get much done with one hand protecting my wallet.
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Cars in china ![]() Cars in the US ![]() boat in china ![]() Boat in the US ![]() Individual liberty or the collective? You decide. Trains in Minneapoplis ![]() My wallet ![]() |
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Today's out of control government news.
5 million spent by veterans affairs for two conferences including 52 k for a parody video and 84 ks on promotional items like pens and hand sanitizer. Again, If the government has this kind of money to blow, they have no right to ask for more taxes from anyone. this is obviously a general cultural problem within our government where there is no respect for the source of their funding. Here is the link to the FOX story. link I would have prefereed to cite the AP version so no one would claim bias, but somehow they did not report the story, but the AP's crack political reporters did get this scoop today "Michelle Obama Workout Routine: First Lady Hits Gym Before Dawn –- And Before Hubby " |
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Hey Joe, I lost track of this one when I went out of town last weekend, and I would hate for you to miss out on my wisdom.
I am well aware of my prejudices, anyone with a view point has a prejudice, I am a little tired of letting the left define them. In Johns argument against funding the airports, his reasoning was not their cost effectiveness or community impact. John stated that we should not fund them for the rich. Insert black, women, homosexual into the argument in place of rich and anyone would see prejudice.
Joe, In Minnesota all state funded transportation is paid for from gasoline taxes. About 50% goes to roads and bridges. the rest funds public transit, bike lanes and trails. Simply put the other forms of transit used by the ungrateful that would love to tear out all the pavement is funded by those driving on the roads, bike paths and light rail, and horse paths would not exist without the cars and trucks using gas. The biggest problem we face in Minnesota is the inability to move goods and services in the metro areas due to lack of capacity, but half of the money paid into the system by those that need more freeway capacity is diverted to supplement other uses.
There is a "logical" decrease in pollution from those that give up cars for light rail, but many of the users are not car owners, or drive to a rail line to avoid parking costs down town. Then factor in cars waiting to cross the tracks, and the pollution levels around the light rail line are not statistically lowered when measured before and after the lines go in. In other words no health benefit is realised.
I agree we need infrastructure, but there are many options besides light rail. dedicated bus lanes can be added for a fraction of the cost, or just adding more capacity will drop congestion and improve business productivity. The main north south route in Minneapolis just got an "upgrade" the took away a traffic lane and gave it to bicycles. this solution increases travel time and congestion for a lane that only gets minimal use for half of the year.
One of the main drivers of the cost increase involved moving underground utilities never included in the scope of the government contracts. |
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Since when does the president and senate participate in the bidding and letting of road building contracts? |
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It was your President and his Senate that hired them. |
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It was your President and his Senate that hired them. |
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Looks like we got a lot of Presidential Candidates for 2016 at least from the commentors on this topic.........
Talk, talk, talk,..........and where does it get us? Enough said. That's why I am not on Facebook. Worry about what we have control over and not what you have no control over, don't read the newspaper and quit watching the gloom and doom news organizations. In 50 years, we definitely won't have to worry about anything for most of us. Ya'll have a good day. Roll Tide!!!! |
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I have to keep her running 'cause I can't afford a new one
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john b ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: July-06-2011 Location: lake Sweeny Status: Offline Points: 3241 |
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Yea, it's a lot like paying the neighbors kid to cut your lawn instead of your own, and then complaining that your kid didn't earn enough to pay for his books in the fall. |
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That would help explain why 3 of the nations largest bridge and highway jobs this year were awarded to Chinese companies. They did give the best price! Our government is looking out for us.
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This is why it is hard to have a reasonable discussion with some people.. quick to accuse of prejudice without recognizing thier own. There are a whole lot of people out there without cars that might not give a darn that you(or I) need roads to drive around on to bring your tools to conduct your business or wish to breath in our smog while they run or bike to thier destinations. They would rather take down our 12 lane highway and put in some straight line shared use paths that dont cause massive runoff that depletes the ground water like all that asphault that they have to pay to maintain, salt, plow, etc for us to make our way to work. The other think that makes it hard to have a logical discourse is rediculous statements like "There has never been a study that showed reduced pollution after light rail was added" In Minnesota maybe, but who needs a study when you can simply do math... where do you get this stuff and why do you keep believing what they tell you. Personally I think we need all the above.. paths roads clean air standards, trains, planes, buses. It is called infrastructure and historically it is the single biggest indicator of whether a countries economy (and the country itself) will thrive or fail. As for coming in 1.5 times the budget... I am pretty sure that it was not a government project but instead a government contracted project and that the money went to the private industry that we are supposed to worship as the model of divine efficiency. Like the main line contractor that forgot to take into account part of the work that it bid on.. and then came back to ask for money for the part of the work it "forgot" to take into account when bidding. |
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Wow, with those prices it sounds like Chicago does not want people down town. I would simply honor their wishes.
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I didn't know Minneapolis had a light rail. It certainly is a beautiful city in my opinion. Minneapolis may not be a good venue for the rail. And of course, as a contractor, you would not be using it.
On the other hand, it would be hard to imagine Chicago without our L train, Metra, and the South Shore Line. More than 2,000,000 riders use the system each day. Parking is difficult at best in Chicago, and the expressly are inadequate as it is. There is no cost effective way to expand them either. Chicago has more interstate commercial traffic than most cities, since much of the OTR truck traffic passes through it. I80, I90, and I94 all go through to get around the tip of the lake. I don't want to start an argument, but there are studies that show the air quality is greatly improved by the use of our trains, especially the electric ones. They have just added several platforms to the L trains because of very heavy usage. The trains benefit contractors and tradesmen as well, because if you had to deal with 2,000,000 more cars on the Chicago roads each day, you wouldn't get much done other than sitting in gridlocked traffic. So, where Minneapolis may not benefit greatly from your light rail, Chicago does. It may be just a case of applying the money to the market that can best benefit from it. I agree with you that no one wants to give up funding for their pet projects, even if they are not the best use of that funding. One other thing, you probably don't "enjoy"the parking rates we do in Chicago. $10 – 0 to 40 min. $13 – 40 to 60 min. $20 – 60 to 80 min. $24 – 80 to 100 min. $28 – 100 min. to 8 hrs. $30 – 8 hrs. to 24 hrs. $20 – Evening Rate: Monday – Sunday (In after 4:00 p.m. Out by 5:00 a.m.) $265 – Monthly: Non-Reserved Special Event Rate: Prevailing rates are posted at the garage entrances. All Rates, including Special Event Rates are subject to change without notice. |
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John, I kind of thought you might not apply the logic across the board, and justify you specific prejudice. Airports, light rail and amtrac are all different degrees of the same thing, subsidized specialty transportation used by a small percentage of the population who pays for them. As a contractor I cannot move my tools on light rail. I have no desire to take a train that cost as much as air but travels much slower. I realize it is suited to very large densely populated areas,(even then it cannot run at break even) but areas like Minneapolis that do not have the density feel the need to get a train to make them look like they are a real deal. Having a rather recent light rail system I can see for myself what it was like before and after the train. It came in at 150% of the cost estimates. Congestion around the line is far worse, because the train gets priority at stop lights it can take three light cycles to cross the track. Congestion is no better on the major freeway arteries that the line serves. There has never been a study that showed reduced pollution after light rail was added. The entire state pays for the operation of the line that serves Minneapolis and three suburbs. For the cost of the line we could have added 12 lanes of freeway, more than doubling the freeway capacity which would have served a far higher percentage of our citizens, specifically the ones who's gas taxes paid to build the line instead of freeway. The reason we cannot control our government spending is that everyone wants to cut the other guys programs, but they will fight to the death to protect the ones they use. |
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The US has 16 trillion in debt, and has no problem borrowing more. The underlying support for this ability to borrow, is the government's ability to levy and collect taxes. The simple math says that a great deal of taxpayers are going to have to start paying much higher taxes. As we can see from the examples above, the guys at the top (making the rules) have no intention of paying more taxes. Our present tax rates are among the lowest in history for vast majority of the public, but are at THE lowest for those the top. It will not matter who wins the election if you are not near the top or bottom, you better hang on to your wallet.
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I understand why you may feel that way about light rail and Amtrak, but they are forms of transportation that are accessible to the general public. GA airports are not. If you don't own your own airplane or want to charter a corporate jet than the airport is of no use to you whatsoever. I think you have to weigh light rail and Amtrak on a scale that includes the impact on cities, roads, parking, use of imported oil and pollution. On an energy efficiency basis light rail is pretty good. I use the Glen Ellyn Metra to Amtrak downtown Chicago to Springfield now and then, it is nice service. US is one of the few developed countries without a good ground based transportation system like light rail. A system like in France, China, or Japan could get me from Chicago to New York in about 5 hours. It is expensive to build, but much less expensive to operate than the airport system we have. I think you just have to choose very high density routes. It may not be the right time to spend money on them right now however.
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John, I agree with you, if they are not collecting fees to cover the cost then get out. This of course goes for light rail and Amtrac also for the same reason.
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I hear 2.5 billion for the "Big boy-Mars toy"? of coarse some important info needed here...
Goals and objectives To contribute to these goals, MSL has six main scientific objectives:[12][22] 1.Determine the mineralogical composition of the Martian surface and near-surface geological materials. 2.Attempt to detect chemical building blocks of life (biosignatures). 3.Interpret the processes that have formed and modified rocks and soils. 4.Assess long-timescale (i.e., 4-billion-year) Martian atmospheric evolution processes. 5.Determine present state, distribution, and cycling of water and carbon dioxide. 6.Characterize the broad spectrum of surface radiation, including galactic radiation, cosmic radiation, solar proton events and secondary neutrons. As part of its exploration, it also measured the radiation exposure in the interior of the spacecraft as it traveled to Mars, and it is continuing radiation measurements as it explores the surface of Mars. This data would be important for a future manned mission.[23] |
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I know how to save $15,000,000,000 of taxpayer money EVERY YEAR.
Federal lawmakers have used taxpayer's money to build and maintain the world's most expansive and expensive network of airports — 2,834 of them nationwide — with no scheduled passenger flights. Known as general-aviation airports, they operate separately from the 139 well-known commercial airports that handle almost all passenger flights. In the first full accounting of the 28-year-old Airport Improvement Program, USA TODAY found that Congress has directed $15 billion to general-aviation airports, which typically are tucked on country roads and industrial byways. That's a lot of money just to insure that wealthy airplane owners can bore holes in the sky on my tax dollars! This $15,000,000,000 does not even include the tax dollars spent at the state, county, and city level. Here is the bottom line taken directly from the DuPage County Airport Authority's year end statement which is available on the interweb. Provide the appropriation for the primary government listed in the first row of the table below. Name of Unit/Component Dupage Airport Authority 12/31/11 Total Appropriations $41,119,975 *How many full time employees are paid? 63 *How many part time employees are paid? 16 What is the total salary paid to all employees? $2,849,252 *Do not include contractual employees. *Do not include funds such as: Joint Bridge, Permanent Road, Town Fund, Equipment, Water & Sewer, General Assistance, etc. This is just one local airport that serves DuPage County in Illinois, and includes my home town of Glen Ellyn. The airport authority subsidizes the airplane owners in pursuit of their "hobby" to the tune of $42.69 for every resident, man, woman, and child, in DuPage County. END THE SUBSIDIES, MAKE THE RICH AIRCRAFT OWNERS PAY FOR THEIR HOBBY. Disclaimer: I am a former pilot and aircraft owner, and I based my Cessna at DuPage County Airport. Therefore I am guilty of using your tax dollars for my hobby. I sold the Cessna and quit flying in 2000. |
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ABC News story Taxpayers Subsidize CEO Pay, Report Says By Susanna Kim | ABC News – 12 hrs ago The Institute for Policy Studies, a self-described "progressive multi-issue think tank," analyzed the link between tax loopholes and excessive executive compensation and concluded that the loopholes created an "uneven playing field" between large companies and small businesses and led to lost tax revenue. The latest edition of the institute's annual Executive Excess compensation study found that in 2011, 26 CEOs received more in compensation than their companies paid in taxes, and that the four major tax loopholes contributing to excessive executive pay cost taxpayers about $14.4 billion a year. "The report is timely at a time when the tax debate is so intense in this country," Sarah Anderson, the institute's global economy project director and the report's co-author, told ABC News. "Some leaders are saying we need to reduce the corporate tax burden even more while major companies are taking advantage of loopholes to lower their tax bill." The report critiqued the major tax loopholes, including the preferential treatment of "carried interest" income for hedge fund managers. "Carried interest" income can be taxed as capital gains - at 15 percent tops - instead of at 35 percent, the top income tax rate. The Congressional Budget Office's projected estimate for "carried interest" income - revenue from investment income or dividends - for 2012 to 2021 was $21.4 billion. Companies can deduct executive pay as a business expense, just as they do inventory and appreciation. Because of a tax rule enacted in the early 1990s that limited the amount of cash that could be deducted to $1 million, corporations have increasingly paid executives in stock options. Corporations can exempt stock option compensation, and other performance-based pay, from taxation. "We need to keep chipping away at the myth that massive payouts are necessary to attract talented managers," she said. "Having a meaningful deductibility cap would send the right message, and at least taxpayers wouldn't have to continue to subsidize excessive pay." The report points to the largest beneficiaries of the tax loopholes, saying they benefit the most from the unlimited tax deductibility of executive paybecause their compensation has the largest proportion of deductible, performanced-based pay. Oracle's Larry Ellison, the sixth richest person in the world with a net worth of $36 billion, according to Forbes, tops the list, and is followed by Discovery Communications' David Zaslav; Viacom's Philippe Dauman; Motorola Mobility Holdings' Sanjay Jha; and CBS Corp.'s Leslie Moonves. Neither Oracle, Discovery Communications, Viacom and Motorola Mobility Holdings returned calls requesting comment. A spokeswoman for CBS Corp. and a spokeswoman for Discovery declined to comment. ABC News story link, full story |
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Here is today's out of control government story.
EXCLUSIVE: State Department oversight of climate change spending abroad is a mess, watchdog reports .....The audit report, issued last month by the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG), casts an unflattering spotlight on a relatively obscure branch of the State Department that supervises climate change spending, and depicts it as over-extended in its responsibilities, unstaffed in critical monitoring posts, and more concerned with spending money than in monitoring its effectiveness...... According to a State Department website, the U.S. has contributed some $5.1 billion in climate change funding to developing countries in 2010 and 2011 alone, with additional money still pouring forth in 2012. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/15/exclusive-state-department-oversight-climate-change-spending-abroad-is-mess/#ixzz23huvE8ra These reports come out nearly every day. Imagine a local food shelf that was found to have 10% of its donations unaccounted for, and employees taking home all the steaks, leaving the hamburger for the patrons, and maybe sending some food to be resold at a local convenience store that was a friend of the organization. Would this food shelf survive? would people continue to donate? This is the type of stuff our government does with OUR money, but we don't have the choice to stop donating. There is an inherent obligation to the tax payers to spend our money well, and all the fraud and waste should be addressed before they ask for another penny. |
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Seth, Regarding fuel prices, fuel is the lubricant of the economy, PURPOSELY driving up costs when you are trying to improve the economy is like purposely pushing on the brake and the gas at the same time in your car and wondering why it is going so slow. It is sabotage in the name of ideology. If the alternatives are so great, we will adopt them, if they are not ready yet we should use the fuels we have until the others can compete. Ethanol has proven to be a disaster, we supplement a dollar of each gallon, it takes nearly as much energy to distil as it produces, it produces less energy per gallon in vehicles thus increasing the amounts that have to be moved,it creates more particulate pollution than gas, and uses massive amounts of ground water for irrigation. Farmers used to rotate crops and idle land to let the soil rejuvenate and leave a home for little creatures,. Not anymore. Now we are seeing what happens when you get a drought that wipes out a grown fuel. Corn prices are rising far faster than oil. The government is now buying cattle because farmers cant afford to feed them. Now the people going to food shelves are going to get steak, while I am choking down rice because my corn based groceries are going through the roof. What do you when you have cornered yourself with green energy mandates, and cant meet them due to weather? Wind power only works when the wind blows, solar when the sun shines, but those little oil wells pump 24-7, and it does not rain or snow in a coal mine.
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How many tea party patriots does it take to change a lightbulb? Ten million and five: One to go to Wal-Mart and buy a lightbulb (and a gun because he’s going to the store anyway), one to scoff at global climate change, one to draw a rally poster making fun of Al Gore, one to complain about the socialist conspiracy to bring light to all Americans, one to change the bulb, and 10 million to sit in the dark even though the light is on.
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Boehner says,
"at least he's [Ryan] not a knuckle dragger' like some of them" Who's them? Did he just call the TEA party something. I'll get the popcorn and beer out tonight. |
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Me.
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