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 Topic: Diesel oil in a gasoline enginePosted: May-08-2023 at 8:42am |
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Olive oil seems more reasonable than tranny fluid, at least organic natural
Wait until the wife gets tranny fluid on her bathing suits |
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Posted: May-08-2023 at 12:40am |
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I will get slayed for this note but I have used Olive oil on my teak deck many times, can’t really say I see it as better or worse than Teak Oil but when I read out of Teak oil and my deck looked bad I grabbed the Olive oil from the kitchen and used it. Seemed to work almost the same as my Teak oil. I used it for years. I have since got another bottle of Teak oil and use it now but don’t really see an improvement. Maybe if I had time to use the boat more I would see a difference.
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Posted: May-03-2023 at 12:20pm |
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Neil I don't see many answers coming your way, so here's what I think are some things that would possess somebody to do something like that A They're not very smart B They're cheap and had some laying around C Somebody told them that it wouldn't work so they had to try it and see what happens D They were just curious ( or maybe I read about it here on CCF years ago) Since I fit into each of those categories, I guess I can say that I've used it before...........and it works pretty well with the right prep  I can't remember if it was synthetic or conventional, new or used, might have been mixed with boiled linseed oil and something else I read about here on CCF Check the link in my last post and you'll find a TRBenj concoction in one of those threads Now as far as what's the best............remember .it's just another oil thread
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Posted: May-03-2023 at 12:14pm |
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So a mix of transmission fluid and linseed oil on a platform. Not sure how they came up with that one, but I suppose if it works, it works. I'll stay with my Watco teak oil. The way that platform was sanded I'd expect it to be like standing on wet ice. Unless maybe that oil combination creates some grip. If transmission fluid works on the swim platform, can I use teak oil in my transmission? |
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Posted: May-03-2023 at 11:10am |
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It wouldn't be CCF if a thread didn't take a turn off into left field
 In case anyone is looking for teak I found a place- https://buy.advantagelumber.com/products/1-x-6-teak-wood-decking?variant=39470155563050 I needed some to replace some broken and missing pieces on another branded boat and quickly found out that it is very hard to find, even boat salvage yards don't have a lot especially wider sizes
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Posted: May-03-2023 at 8:24am |
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You know it's gonna be a rough day when you're outwitted by a caveman |
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Posted: May-03-2023 at 6:18am |
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Umm........why did it work for me? Am I the "missing link"? I thought I was just "early caveman"   |
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:52pm |
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Well, if it's Indonesian Teak, you must use conventional as the fibers will definately wear out prematurely. Studies show that the Teak's natural oils give up an electron to certain emulsifiers found in the synthetics and will degrade substanially unless you're on-plane most of the time. However if it's African Teak, then synthetic is OK. (provided it's Dextron). Check out from 01:45 in on Ron Tanis's video (The hyperlink function created a link, but it wouldn't work, so you'll have to cut/paste.) https://youtu.be/cCcwFxcyBWo
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:30pm |
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Conventional or Synthetic ?
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 7:33pm |
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Whilst we're on the subject of oils, can anyone explain the rationale for using trans fluid on a teak swim platform? |
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KENO
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 1:41pm |
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So as mentioned earlier, we're all using whatever lets us sleep at night.
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:55am |
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I love that site, was on it a few days ago. No idea who Bob is, but the web address and site name are a classic. |
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:54am |
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I definitely think some info gets overblown. But I also think there's some reason to follow new info as it comes along. Of course 351's aren't failing left and right from using Supertech oil with a Fram oil filter. That doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense to read, reason through what we've read, and maybe take some steps to avoid problems. Bruce said it well, "the info is out there to use zinc and it seems reasonable". That's exactly where I am with all of this. There is no question that I don't have to change my oil every year with the hours I put on my boat. But I do. Makes me feel better. I know that slapping a prop on without first lapping it in with prussian blue isn't the best method. But I do it and for some reason that one doesn't bother me. I think it's possible that every single wood stringer inboard boat doesn't have bad stringers. But sometimes you'd think they all do. I once drove into our yard and saw my siblings towing a boat with my '63 Skier, rope attached to the stern lift ring. Somehow the boat survived. Lots of great info on all sides of every subject, just have to make decisions we all feel comfortable with.
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:48am |
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There is even a forum that is dedicated to oil threads. Interesting reading, but lots of varying opinions and emotional testimonials…
www.BobIsTheOilGuy.com Apparently there is some guy named, well, “Bob” at the heart of the oil issues. JQ
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 9:05am |
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We use Valvoline 20W50 in all our old boats because the info is out there to use zinc and it seems reasonable. The only reported wiped out cams I've seen reported on CCF were due to breaking in a new cam and not due to using modern oil in an old engine. I'm still waiting to hear about one of those. We have a 1988 Malibu Skier that we got with 150 hours and for the next 1000 or so hours it got modern Castrol or Valvoline oil with low zinc and it still is running fine. Same with Fram oil filters, I ran one of those in a 1994 F150 for 14 years and 200K miles as well as in that Malibu Skier and no problems. I'm either lucky or some info gets overblown.
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Posted: May-02-2023 at 8:01am |
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No problem Buck
But it's just another oil thread and it is a forum after all. I could post a link to an article that talks about why the reduced zinc levels didn't kill your engine (and a bunch of others) and also recommends not using a zinc supplement and is well worded, written by someone who was a gas and oil engineer for 30 plus years with one of the major oil companies.............but I won't. I could also post PCM's latest oil recommendation from 2019 that specifies an oil rating and weight even for the old Fords. We all do what lets us sleep at night
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Posted: May-01-2023 at 11:40pm |
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Ken, I'm not following your thinking on this.
I looked at some oil on sale at Costco and wondered if it would work well in my boat. Did a little research and decided not to use it for the reasons stated in the article at the link I posted. Shared the information in this forum. That's it. I was not criticizing you or anyone else for using diesel oil in a gas engine. And I didn't get scared or have any ulterior motives. Use whatever oil you want to use in your boat. It doesn't matter to me. You've been very helpful to me through the years and I very much appreciate your assistance. But your reading of my mind is off the mark...  |
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Posted: May-01-2023 at 6:24am |
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And also mentioning how you were now adding a Zinc supplement to your oil even though it survived the break in and all those years afterwards. There must be a reason like you got scared or something It's just another oil thread I think your cam inspection will be done with your ears, or was it really already done with your ticking noise thread. You fixed the tick with a bottle of Rislone and some run time and everything was good, so your cam must have been OK, since nothing in a bottle fixes worn lobes. |
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 11:36pm |
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Ken,
I assume the oil used in the boat's engine during the critical break-in period and early years of the 1990s had a higher concentration of zinc. Don't know for sure. And I haven't inspected the cam lobes for signs of excessive wear. Was merely passing along some info. that I thought might be of interest to members of this forum. |
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 8:46pm |
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Oily stool for sure
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 6:38pm |
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KENO
That zinc supplement may help out when your cam lobe has gone, well, flat…
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 6:26pm |
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So Buck
It would seem that you've run your engine for the past 33 years with what some people would say was an inadequate oil for protecting your flat tappet cam. Maybe more like 27 years since you gave it a 6 year hibernation period. If you have a good running engine, it seems that your oil choice through the years didn't kill it and if it dies now it won't be because of the supposed lack of adequate zinc all through the years in your "not exactly a race engine" 351. That would have killed your engine a long time ago (and a whole bunch of other people's too who are using the "wrong" oil according to someone. Oil and Zinc is like plenty of other topics.............there'll always be a difference of opinion and supposed facts. So, use whatever lets you sleep at night, whether it's your old oil, your zinc supplement, some high zinc oil, diesel oil or whatever. PS I found a zinc supplement in my wife's vitamin stash, I wonder if that'll be good for my oil
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 9:59am |
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Thank you Sir
VR1 same as rotella |
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Posted: April-30-2023 at 3:13am |
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https://www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/zddp-content-chart-high-zinc-oil-list-brand-breakdown/32479
List of oils with high zddp Lucas 3000 ppm Rotella 1500 ppm Most regular 600 Sorry my link sucks |
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Only your wife should be discussing fashion
White after Labor Day Gary But I got rotella idea from the motor cycle guys I was riding with Then confirmed here by many Easy to get at 700am Walmart Might try this VR1 you speak of BTW. Did try some ZMAX actually lowered rpm and smoothed out |
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Posted: April-29-2023 at 7:24pm |
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Oops I forget about our Minnesota and northern Wisconsin members
Yes Ken any time it misses,coughs or does not start.
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Posted: April-29-2023 at 4:59pm |
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Let me throw some more gas onto the fire. There's an article by a petroleum engineer who said not to use enhancers to "zinc up" oil because although zinc gets added, it might be at the expense of dropping the ph too low, or just throwing off the chemistry of the base oil. Have a relaxing weekend 😴 |
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Right Gary, but it's always winter somewhere ...
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I can't wait to go pull a tube from my lift ring while running on ethanol fuel after an oil change with straight 40 weight low zinc oil. I might even see if I have a 30 year old quart of Slick50 lying around that I could add. Like Tom, for some reason I enjoy reading oil threads. Earlier this morning I was reading about oil for oil-consuming Subaru's. Everyone has their preferences and fun to see the different views. I have very mechanically inclined friends that adhere to the "my engine doesn't care what I put in it as long as I change the oil", others that are more of the oil-snob crowd like me. I run VR1 20-50 in my boats. I ran Rotella T6 in my Duramax until it was hard to get and switched to Delvac synthetic 15-40. I run Royal Purple in my RX8 rotary. I tend to buy more expensive oil filters. And ... don't attack me on this ... a lot of the time I run 93 octane in my boat and RX8.  On Uncle Buck's original post ... interesting info, not something I'd heard before. I so far haven't run "diesel oil" in anything but my diesel's but you never know.
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