MV-1: Step-by-step teardown, clean and assemble. |
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Bri892001
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White Lake offers those swooshy ones as replacements. I guess it's better than nothing.
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Air206
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Tim:
Correct as always - Non-OEM for CCs...... They are sold as replacements.... the guts are almost identical ...but the MV-3 has the swooshy look on the throttle arm and faceplate...... See above! |
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TRBenj
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MV3? Never seen one on a CC.
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Riley
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Steve, PM sent.
Edit: My eyes were playing tricks on me. I thought your post said MV2. |
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Air206
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Kevin:
I know exactly how much you paid....... you out bid me! It looks great. I have an NOS MV-3 avail for $150 if you want to add to your collection! |
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KRoundy
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I need to do an update to my post above. In the last two weeks or so I discovered that when I installed my MV-2 into the boat, the leverage I was able to put on the throttle was easily able to over ride the safety on the throttle. If you look at the photos of my breakdown you'll notice how very worn the "TOP" piece is on my throttle. Since we can't seem to find a source for these anywhere I was considering just machining one of my own.
Then, I found something on eBay and last week I won a NOS MV-2. It arrived in it's original box yesterday and included an original set of pins, cotters, and mounting screws (this was a surprise since the auction only mentioned the mounting screws). I won't give away the price I paid, but it was a very good deal. I think this likely was because the seller noted it was set up for a left-hand installation. A quick check of the MV-2 owners manual confirmed that all that was needed to change to a right-hand configuration was to remove a set screw, flip the throttle over and presto - right hand configuration. I sure wish there were a way to restore the "TOP" pieces, because that is the only thing needed to fix these parts to brand-new functionality. Well, that and the springs that break all the time. My eBay win is below. I've since flipped around the throttle arm to the correct configuration. It also came with a neutral sensing electronic switch that is not needed, which I have removed: |
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Corby
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Hey Guys,
Started reinstalling the Morse today. I had read the posts explaining how to adjust the cables to avoid the engine increasing in revs before the gearbox engages. I tried the method described, ie. leave the cable detached at the carby end, move the lever so that the gearbox is in gear. At this point the throttle should still be at idle so the throttle cable should be adjusted so it can be connected at the in gear position without opening the throttle. The problem I encountered is that when you pull the lever back to the neutral position it tries to close the throttle further putting a lot of strain on the throttle linkage. Cam anyone guide me further in how to adjust it correctly. Previous to today it had been opening the throttle before engaging the gearbox, cause a harsh "clunk" into gear. Thanks again! |
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KRoundy
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I am not an expert but I'd say that your cam looks oddly worn. My MV-2, which is similar but not the same, didn't have that wear pattern at all. I do not believe that there are parts available for these controls unless you find a used one somewhere to scavenge for parts. I would grease things up with a good amount of white lithium grease, put it all back together and see how it works. You might be pleasantly surprised. If it is not satisfactory you may just need a new unit.
That arm you think is shortened looks relatively normal to me. |
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Corby
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While I am waiting for the Clevis for my rudder to arrive I decided to look into why the throttle starts engaging before it shifts into gear. I have found some excellent descriptions of how to adjust these, so I will try that on the weekend. In the mean time I have disassembled the morse to give it an overhaul. The previous owner has operated on the "if some grease is good, more is better" principle and filled it up. It took me forever to clean it out!! so now its looking a lot nicer.. Which comes to the questions....
-how much grease do I need to put in upon reassembly? -The "cam" looks fairly worn, how does it compare with others people have seen. Is this part available to give it a more crisp feel? -The lever that attaches to the back of the morse looks "modified" (cut off). Is it shorter than factory? Again Thanks in advance! |
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KRoundy
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Super. Thank you, Chris. Added this thread to the FAQ.
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storm34
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Kevin, they're back up now. Guess thats what I get for uploading them with my facebook account. They're uploaded in photobucket and should stay up now.
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KRoundy
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Chris - What happened to the photos in this thread?
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mattfahey
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Sorry, I also looked at teh MV2 document in the reference section, just not sure which way the "throttle arm" (number 20 in the exploded diagram) connects, as it can be attached in 4 directions.
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Matt - 1979 Mustang
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mattfahey
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Does anybody have pictures of how the shift and throttle cables attach to the back of this.
When I bought my boat, the throttle cable was not attached, and before I tear it apart, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to proceed. Thanks! |
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KRoundy
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I still think we need a "How To" section on these Forums. How can we get that accomplished?
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airden23
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Its hard to tell, but here's what happened. I took the silver casing off and things popped out on me...nervous feeling :). I couldn't really tell how many things came out, but when I cleaned up the area I was working in, I found one ball bearing. The small spring was still inside (not the larger one underneath the sliver plate like you mention, but rather the smaller one stuck in grease) but I thought perhaps two bearings popped out on me. I thought that I placed the bearing back in the correct place, but am not sure. I must not have put it back in the correct place, hence the "slide" I mentioned.
The problem I had was that at about the 10 o'clock position when you put the throttle down it was VERY hard to push down to go faster. This made it very hard to control speed while wakeboarding. I think the problem was that the nut came loose that connected the throttle. It wasn't until I had it all apart and read your post that this made sense to me. Anyways, after I put it all back together that problem was solved. I might need to tweak the distance that the cables have; meaning how you can screw the connectors up and down before they connect to the throttle (bad description, I know). There is probably an art to it to get it just right. I think the bearing now isn't catching the hog-out area. It seems to function fine, it just doesn't catch the hog-out so it is easier than it should be to go in and out of neutral. Again, thanks for the step-by-step. It should probably be put in the forum hall of fame or something! |
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KRoundy
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Matt,
I believe the purpose of the secondary ball bearing (the one in the casing) is to keep the neutral switch where you want it. It took a lot of work for me to get that ball out, fish out the spring and clean it up. It was nearly glued in with old nasty grease. Once I cleaned the ball and spring, greased everything up and reinstalled it was hard to keep it in place, which I would guess is the way it is supposed to function. In mine, there was only one ball bearing in the silver case (not two as you mention in the post). I'll also say that the fit if the neutral switch was quite snug inside the cam it operates. In the photos above you can clearly see the hog-out in the neutral switch that rides on a ball bearing. Does everything else function normally? What was it doing that caused you to take it apart? |
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airden23
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What holds the neutral button in neutral? Is it 2 ball bearings within the silver case? I took mine apart today, and now the button just slides in and out with no real "pop" like it used to. There is nothing to keep it from going in and out except engaging the transmission.
Thanks for the informative post! This was awesome! I couldn't believe it |
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KRoundy
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Thanks, Marty! Of course, once I start to order parts from NautiqueParts.com, I can't just order a couple of brass pins. There is so much else I need on there and I'm already paying shipping, so....
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MartyMabe
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pigge
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Thanks Gary, you were right, it was real easy to to get it off after loosin the cable at the engine, no need for removing the lever.. |
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KRoundy
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Update: I don't need a new "TOP" piece, it just needed a new spring. I got one at a local hardware store for 0.60 cents (thanks for the advice, Marty!). The remainder was just cleaning and new grease. It works like new! I referenced this page a lot and also took lots of pictures along the way (which is always a good idea).
All apart on my kitchen table: The completed project, with my beautiful new blue throttle knob! If you'd like all the gory details: WordPress blog When are we going to create a "How To" forum on CCF? |
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KRoundy
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Some clarification here in top and side views of the part that I'd like to replace. Also - I found out my spring was broken, as predicted. Marty mentioned a while ago that he had replacement springs. Help me Marty!
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KRoundy
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Took mine apart tonight (it is a MV-2, but essentially the same ideas) and this was SO helpful! Thank you.
Some questions for the CCF gang: The brass pins that go to the control cables are very worn. Can I get new ones somewhere? Also, the "latch" that you move by lifting on the plastic seat below the throttle to push the throttle forward or back is very worn and is not functioning as intended. Can I purchase one of these somewhere? Kevin |
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nautique frk
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Thank you for a good "How to " !
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Gary S
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To change a cable you don't have to remove the control. If you want to make it easier you can remove the lever that the cable attaches to with one bolt.Get your self a mirror and when you replace make sure you mount that lever back in the position it was in.
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Hollywood
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I think I've spent over an hour trying to get the control off the Martinique and it is still hanging on, these pictures definitely help. I seemingly couldn't get the bolts off the pins w/o the throttle arm moving all over. I suppose I should have done that before loosening it from the gunnel. You can probably help when you're here in 2 weeks.
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pigge
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excellent post, my throttle cable broke so i need to replace it and I'm having a hard time with the three Philips screws on the outside of the housing, i got one nut off from the back, but even after that i couldn't move the Philips screw at all.. but I'm guessing that it will be near impossible to get the swivel bracket screw for the throttle cable off without having the control taken off it's mounting but this post shows me what needs to be taken apart to get the control off
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lakedog55
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Thanks for your time, I still managed to drop the small ball, but found it, casing is painted almost ready for install.
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storm34
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Just thought I'd document the process since I'm probably not the first one to tear into once of these without knowing what they're getting into.
It's all back together and functioning properly on the boat now. Still not as smooth as I'd like it to be, looks like I'll be replacing the shifter and trans cables as well. |
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