Election 2012 Is Comming

ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: I've seen a lot of words as to what OWS is. Still not sure it makes much sense to me yet. Let me see if I have it right.... The 99% are actually the 50% who pay no taxes at all. They feel entitled to be supported by the other 50% who do pay taxes. They are pi%%ed off that those of us who do pay all the taxes already, aren't giving them enough free sh#t. They want even more free sh#t and are protesting their asses off to get it. If only they knew that the 1% are paying by far the largest percentage of any group out there already. So, I think I have it figured out now. OWS=Socialism. Is that about it?    You have made quite a statement, not sure on your reasoning, or reading comprehension,but still a hell of a statement. I will play along with your poor attempt at sarcasm, only because I think it is good entertainment. Only because I know the talking points you stick to, I know what it is you are trying to tell me, even if you think your question was taken as a serious question. You didn't even want a good answer. You wanted exactly what you got. A chance to call OWS socialism.    Put Nazi in there next time, your partners will admire you for that. Ouch, you big meanie.   Go hang with SKI, you too have the same glasses on.   What you really came up with that explanation you gave above? That statement, almost word for word is posted all over then net, that one is better than your version though. You should have pasted it word for word.

Nazi!?!?! Wow! Come on OOW!! Thats pretty ugly, and not appreciated. And, those are your words, and certainly not mine. What they did in Europe in the 30's and 40's is reprehensible.   

On OWS. You have presented lots of liberal talking points, but, I don't really see much in-deapth information about any one of those points. I will pick one and give you some more ORIGINAL conservative thought....MINE!

Your point: Find all the people responsible for the 2008 Wall Street Meltdown and bring them to justice (or something to that effect).

My point: You may find this amazing, but, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with you!! How about we start with Barney Frank-DEMOCRAT from Mass. Let's toss him in the pokey (he would probably like it though) for his role as the powerful Chairman of the House Financial Services committee for helping to bring about the current financial mess we are in right now. It all started with the housing meltdown, and it drug everything right down the toilet with it. The government felt that homeownership was a right.

Everybody should have a house. Congress applied pressure on lenders to give questionable loans to anybody that wanted a house. They believed that rising real estate prices would keep the everything good over the long haul. Once bus drivers that bought $800,000 homes couldn't pay for them anymore, the house of cards came tumbling down in 2008. This is a prime case of big government knowing best, and sticking thier nose into the private sector.

Government backed all these bad loans through Freddie Mac, and Fanny Mae, two GSE's( government sponsored entities). I am sure you have heard of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. They are the ones who just paid out $12,000,000 in BONUSES to their top executives. They are also the ones that just asked Congress for another $6 BILLION bailout, which brings the total to $170 BILLION since we began bailing them out.

Below is a cut/paste from the article in the Boston Globe that I found that explains Barn's role in the mess....

"Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing."

I invite you to read the full article. I think it does a nice job of summarizing the overall financial meltdown, and how Frank, a big governmant liberal played a major role in it.

Article from The Boston Globe on Barney Frank's (Democrat) role in the financial meltdown of 2008

Oh, and lets not forget the $10 BILLION financial scandal that rocked Fannie Mae. Jamie Gorelick was appointed to run Fannie Mae in 1998 (Clinton). She had NO prior experience or responsiblity in finance. For her term at Fannie, she received over $26,000,000 in compensation. A liberal appontee did okay in that gig. Nice work if you can get it. Sounds like a big slush fund for Democrat cronies. You know, crony as in Crony Capitalism?? I think she should go to prison along with Barn.

I hope you don't cut and run, and call me a nasty name as you are heading out the door. I would really like to hear YOUR thoughts on what I have presented. I am sure that you will be able to convince me that I am wrong by dazzling me with YOUR brilliance, and not baffling me with other peoples progressive talking points that you have found somewhere online and cut and pasted. I can tell the difference.

Barney Frank? Freddie Mac? Fannie Mae? Jamie Gorelick?

You couldn't mean this guy......

ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: I've seen a lot of words as to what OWS is. Still not sure it makes much sense to me yet. Let me see if I have it right.... The 99% are actually the 50% who pay no taxes at all. They feel entitled to be supported by the other 50% who do pay taxes. They are pi%%ed off that those of us who do pay all the taxes already, aren't giving them enough free sh#t. They want even more free sh#t and are protesting their asses off to get it. If only they knew that the 1% are paying by far the largest percentage of any group out there already. So, I think I have it figured out now. OWS=Socialism. Is that about it?    You have made quite a statement, not sure on your reasoning, or reading comprehension,but still a hell of a statement. I will play along with your poor attempt at sarcasm, only because I think it is good entertainment. Only because I know the talking points you stick to, I know what it is you are trying to tell me, even if you think your question was taken as a serious question. You didn't even want a good answer. You wanted exactly what you got. A chance to call OWS socialism.    Put Nazi in there next time, your partners will admire you for that. Ouch, you big meanie.   Go hang with SKI, you too have the same glasses on.   What you really came up with that explanation you gave above? That statement, almost word for word is posted all over then net, that one is better than your version though. You should have pasted it word for word.

Here, let me try again. This is a good example of the original point I was trying to convey on the 99% really being part of the 50%, and how the 1% are unfairly attacked. Thank god for the "1%" who start corporations and employee the rest of us so we can support our families, educate our kids, buy stuff, and even pay our taxes.....

This is a little story about how we pay taxes in this country, and who gets demonized and why....

Bar Stool Economics

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

•The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
•The fifth would pay $1.
•The sixth would pay $3.
•The seventh would pay $7.
•The eighth would pay $12.
•The ninth would pay $18.
•The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers", he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

•The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
•The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
•The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
•The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
•The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
•The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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ononewheel wrote:

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


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Yep that is why the Repubs are always NOT talking about raising taxes, it's not for you, it's the rich who really benifit. We agree.

Cut to social programs also don't affect the rich, well not negativly.
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Oner your whole outlook is so way out there. Me and david and dave have our head screwed on right. Social programs are for the lazy scums of America. Left wing liberals think they work but they dont. I dont want my tax dollars going to people who dont want to work, get feed for free, or get free fking medical care when they are able to get there lazy fking ass out of bed and work. And this taxation with no represenation his just a hint off redistrubution of wealth. Take from the rich and give to the lazy liberals that flat out dont want to work. I have no respect for someone who "bleeds the fking system"!!

BTW, is not these social programs a problem as we speak in these communist countries. Didnt these is what the cold war was about. Again, the RICH PEOPLE run this country, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT!!!!

David.

One of the demands of OWS listed in an earlier post was "Nothing short of Democracy".
So explain why the American Nazi Party and the Communist Party of the US back the movement.

American Nazi Party endorces OWS

So now we have the President, the liberal House and Senate arm and arm with the Communist and Nazi Party. How's that hope and change now.

On the bright side, by this time next year O will be shopping for a new house.

Just getting my computer back after a hardrive crash. Mr G, Good work in my absence.

Saw a commercial for this tonight, one of the funniest things I have seen in awhile.





Nothing good ever seems to sprout from his head!

Dave (OMH)....been wondering where you went. Not like you to not wade in. Nice find on the Chia pet. I think I may pick up a few of those for some friends for Christmas.

John....you may be right. I remember Walgreen's pulled them around '09. But, maybe you can find them online?? It would be a good gag gift. I will have to do some searches.

Davidg, I did say ish, we do protect them tooth and nail and its not because of the Kosher slogan

I should also say Israel and not "them" sorry

I wish time travel was possible, it is but we dont know how yet, i would love to go about 30 years into the future and look back at this moment forward. maybe we are at the dawn of waking up and starting to realize whats been happening, I just think we have gotten so passive and the let someone else handle it attitude that led us into the current mess. but again it would be nice to go back in time and change a couple of things, alot of what ifs

eric lavine wrote: I wish time travel was possible, it is but we dont know how yet, i would love to go about 30 years into the future and look back at this moment forward. maybe we are at the dawn of waking up and starting to realize whats been happening, I just think we have gotten so passive and the let someone else handle it attitude that led us into the current mess. but again it would be nice to go back in time and change a couple of things, alot of what ifs

Eric,You dont need a time machine when you have me, Go back to the political posts from 208 and you will find everything I warned you about Obama back then has come true. So just ask me what you want to know .

Back to being ignorant of OWS. Why are they constantly occuping something that really hurts the people they are supposed to be for. When the occupy Wall St the banks survive but the small businesses in the area suffer. Now they want to occupy xmass at Walmart and Target, which won't do much but make it hard for common folk to shop. Once again really no effect on Walmart but damaging to to regular taxpaying schmucks. Seems counter productive and why do democrates claim to be promoting this? It is hard to get me behind something I just can't understand.

keep drinkin that republican kool-aid