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jbear
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Betcha she got it in just right too. Plus she'll run for parts and pizza. Looks awesome in a bathing suit too.
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eric lavine
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I know she put MM's tranny back in
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jbear
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Boats and girls don't mix? Not if this is your girl.
MM is a lucky guy. For you new guys...this is BlondieGurl...helping to redo my motor. Gotta love a girl like this! john |
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eric lavine
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if its bent dont try to straighten, it will cause you problems down the road, its easy to pick up a bend on the floor if bent,and at that point i just order new and after rolling it there is no point to put on v-blocks. but if its your first time and your a shaft virgin, put it on the v's
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bwooton
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i am going with the v-block method.
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eric lavine
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if you dont have access to v-blocks and indicators, initially roll the shaft on the flat ground, if its out even a little you will see this...but truly the correct way is as mentioned by Pete
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8122pbrainard
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That is Bucks own site and they sell through distributors. Click on the top "where to buy" and a map will come up. Make sure you keep us informed about how you check the shaft for straightness. The V block and dial indicator as mentioned is the way to go. |
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eric lavine
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your boat took a good lick, i hate to say this but would bet money your shaft is tweeked, make sure the PO did a good job on the hull repair
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bwooton
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well damn thats what i was afraid of. but thanks for the link. i guess the good news is, so far the shaft is looking good.
this is going to sound stupid. but i didnt see any prices on that site. do you have to call? |
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Thanks Bobby
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8122pbrainard
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Bobby, Yeh, you have better start looking for a new strut. Do a internet search and look for Buck Algonquin. I'll see if I get get back with a link. Start getting some measurements and the shaft angle.
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bwooton
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the stress cracks
so... is it done? i dont think pressing this is a good idea. |
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Thanks Bobby
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Hollywood
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I caught it eric. Girls before boats, unless you are The Goose or quinner.
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eric lavine
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i meant the strut was a casting not a forging....i changed it before you caught it young luke ha ha, but also goes true for the coupling, most of them anyways. girls before boats???
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8122pbrainard
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Bobby, What Eric is referring to is the shaft coupling is cast iron so you need to be carefull when pulling it off. I have this feeling that he has broken at least one in his career!!! They machine like ductile or malleable so they aren't as brittle as a gray iron casting but you still need to take it easy.
I hope your girlfriend being in town doesn't hold up work on the boat too much! Hand her a wrench. It's a good test to see if the two of you are compatible. If she doesn't know which end of the wrench to use, that may even be for the better - during any rough times, you can hide out in the garage! |
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eric lavine
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btw, pete, casting, i know you caught that and i was testing you
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bwooton
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noi did not get the strut off i have one bolt giving me trouble. i ran out of time this morning because i had class at noon. i will get the pic up soon but the girlfriend is in town from school to stay with me tonight so it may be tomorrow before i can get those up. second thought i HOPE its tomorrow before i can get those up. nudge nudge wink wink
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Thanks Bobby
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BuffaloBFN
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I was thinking the same thing. Bobby, guessing you have the strut off, take a long look at the inside of the cutlas bearing. The wear inside may give some indication of how long its been run like it is. Hang in there...this was my introduction to inboards and I survived! LOL Greg B-you may want to be careful what you wish/ask for?!!? |
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8122pbrainard
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Not getting the coupling off the shaft may be a good sign that the boat hasn't been run much with the bent strut and the coupling hasn't fretted . It is a press fit on the shaft. You can do a search on getting it off and then heating it up to put it back on. But, briefly, a spacer just smaller than the shaft dia. is placed between the coupling halves then longer bolts are used pulling the halves together and pressing the shaft out. Pullers can be used too but care not to distort the face of the coupling is needed. It is even a good practice to face off the shaft coupling in the lathe before reinstall. Get the pictures up on the cracking. It may be in the gel coat only. |
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bwooton
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glad to help baumanmt. LOL
while trying to pull the strut today i noticed some stress cracks. i got some pics and will post them when i can. i think i just need a new strut. where is the best place to get one? also could not get the coupling off the shaft so needless to say i did not get the shaft out of the boat. but those are NOT grooves in the shaft just slight burn from old packing. |
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Thanks Bobby
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baumanmt
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No offense Bobby, but after seeing your pics I sure feel a lot better about my boat and minor issues. I guess I should mention that I still have not even started mine yet. The snow is melting fast it wont be long now.
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bwooton
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i am going to take the strut and the shaft to school with me today. i am off work so i will have lots of time to mess with that strut. i am going to check the shaft for trueness and also see how deep those groves are. they are not as bad as they look in the pic. i dont have the money for a new shaft..... but i dont have the money to fix the hull when that one snaps either. catch 22. i will report my findings this afternoon.
eric how deep can those groovs be without causing worry? or is any to much? the coupling is solid on the end of the shaft no play. the trans is not leaking. and seems to spin easily. but i dont have anything to compare to. oh the po did lots more that just drive the boat. he blew it up left it uncovered with the engine box up. put car tires on the tralier and lost more stupid stuff |
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Thanks Bobby
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eric lavine
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I would try to straighten the strut, they are really not a real accurate casting and invest in a shaft and coupling, if you get the bend out of the strut you'll be in good shape and i really dont think you'll have to move the engine that much, it seems the majority of your problem is in the strut
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8122pbrainard
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Bobby, Give the press a shot at your strut. Like you said, you have nothing to loose. They usually are bent sideways pretty evenly but as Eric mentioned, sometimes they may have a slight twist. Eric goes after the twist with a bar but I've found that by locating the point of pressure from the ram ether fore or aft that it too will remove a twist. I feel that you have more control of the force in the press than with a bar. It will need to be overbent slightly because there is some spring back.
From the looks of the gap between the coupling halves, it sure looks like the PO moved the engine in a half fast alignment attempt after the strut got bent! At least it may have saved the trans from damage. Do check the output shaft like Eric said. Is there any ATF leakage at the output? Greg, The marks on the shaft are from the log. Edit: I was thinking backerds this morning. Eric is correct that with the coupling gap on the port side that it may be all in the strut. The PO didn't do a damn thing except run the boat!! |
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eric lavine
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Greg, good eyes, i didnt see that, i bet as you dig in Bob your going to find more problems, if you find the alignment out more than .025 at this point, i think you'll find that the prop shaft coupling will also be loose on the shaft. that MI will also take out the rear bearing in the trans and cock the planetary in the case.
you may be in good shape though, the older as1-71c transmissions used bushings in the ass end of the trans and can handle the MI a tad longer than the newer 10-17 tranny's which dont use bushings and ride inside the case with 4 seal rings. dont attack this as the strut being the only problem. the shaft going thru the log if worn is a good place for the shaft to snap under power....so alot depends on your budget.....remember too: with a mis-aligned boat the shaft to is under load acting as a u-joint also creating stresses on the shaft and weakening also |
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Greg_SA
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What are these marks on the shaft? Did the shaft rub against the log?
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bwooton
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will do eric. i guess i dont have much to loose its already trash.
anyone have a good used strut they want to sell if this doesnt pan out? |
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Thanks Bobby
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eric lavine
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the gap does look bigger on the left side of the coupling
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eric lavine
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spin that trans output by hand , it should be smooth as silk, put side load on it by hand then try
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eric lavine
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up and to the port, you got some work to do, the shaft should be centered in the log, your gonna have to kick the engine over to the left and up a touch, but..........it may be your strut kicking the shaft starboard....first things first, remove the shaft and get the strut straightend out, i clamp the struts to the side of my press and and then use a 1.125 bar with the bushings out to try to get the twist out. if you have access try it cause the struts are not cheap. you can use heat to soften it up a bit, but not a rosebud...flash heat it. i havnt lost one yet so good luck on that, re-install and see if it is centered if so start the alignment process. you have to get this corrected. please let us know at this point your at what the alignment is with the feeler blades
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bwooton
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i think this pic speaks for its self.
i couldnt check anything because i left my feeler gauges at school. i am an automotive student and we are required to have our tools on site. it makes home projects hard. hopefully i will remember them tomorrow. i have access to a press both at school and at work. is pressing the strut something i should be able to do? again thanks for all the help, and the razzing about the tube |
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Thanks Bobby
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