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    Posted: September-10-2020 at 10:04pm
Alright, I made a post about my adventure with this project over in the Engine repair thread. I hope that it helps someone down the road that happens to get into that same situation.

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Well, everything is in (minus reat ballasts) and I took it out on the water for a test run and the Transmission ran like champ. Only had one issue and that is the droplets shaft seal is slinging water up on the engine while running. I will be taking a look at that tomorrow. The only other thing I notice was a slight whine when drivin, but I had all of the hatches open so I could hear everything. With the hatches closed I couldn't hear it. I want to thank all of you for the help and advice.
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You don't need to remate the coupling halves all the way. Just make sure the male and female pilot steps are aligned and you don't have to apply sideways force to engauge them. 


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So I have them mating without the shaft and ended up being some spots on the v-drive side of the coupler. Corrosion caused some pitting that was holding it out. They mate freely now, but I had the engine so far out of alignment it has been a booger to get back in. I cannot seem to get rid of a pinch at LC, RC AND LOWER A. My question is this.. do you re-mate the coupler each time you make an adjustment? I can adjust and get it where the feeler is good all the way around, but then when I re-mate the coupler it has the pinch back.I will be buying a new coupler this winter.
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Well, the answer is no they don't. So I will be working on them until they mate... that v-drive will mate and like it...lol
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Thanks Gary. I'll figure them out one day. I thought if I posted it in PN and pasted the link here it would work...Keno has me wondering about that too, but dang I hate to take this shaft back out. Lol trying some adjustments right now to sew if I can get it.
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I wonder how it fits with out the shaft in place?
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These I can do it's those links that have my time Wink


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If the coupler is not on the shaft, does it mate up easily with the other half on the v drive?

Just me thinking, but I think it was out of alignment when you bought it and while you're looking at it all twisted and contorted to get a look at it, it might look good to the naked eye, but be off enough to prevent the couplers from mating right.

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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:





That was the original one when it was being a booger to come I ut. Thanks Gary
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Took a pic but I am not sure oif the link is going to work. It was worth a shot
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Oh no, I don't do anything half ass. Lol. My coupler puller came in and I spent a while making sure shaft and coupler were good. Another response above with more detail
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It was actually extremely hard to get it apart. However, once it came apart it did not want to seat again (I know this because it took a while to get the shaftbout lol). The coupler and the prop both were stuck on the shaft (almost looked like rust under them). Once they were removed I lapped both ends to assure a good fit. Made sure the faces were good. It looks like it lines right up and starts the seat, but won't go all the way. It is an even gap all the way around. That is why I don't even know where to start the adjustment.
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Originally posted by Liquiddreams<span style=color: rgb37, 44, 47; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; : rgb235, 244, 249;> When I went to remove the shaft coupler it moved about 1/4 inch and now it refuses to let go. It literally bent the puller trying to get it off. Scared to use heat due to the gas tank be in such close proximity.</span>[/QUOTE Liquiddreams When I went to remove the shaft coupler it moved about 1/4 inch and now it refuses to let go. It literally bent the puller trying to get it off. Scared to use heat due to the gas tank be in such close proximity.[/QUOTE wrote:


Did you take the coupling off the shaft and clean things up, then reinstall it?

Or just slap it back in without removing the coupling?

What ever happened with the 1/4 inch mentioned above?

So many questions 

Did you take the coupling off the shaft and clean things up, then reinstall it?

Or just slap it back in without removing the coupling?

What ever happened with the 1/4 inch mentioned above?

So many questions Wink
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Originally posted by Liquiddreams Liquiddreams wrote:

Well, everything is in, but now the shaft coupler isn't seating correctly.  Cannot get the shoulder on to even start the alignment. I have been looking for alignment steps on the forums, but so far I have not been able to find them. The coupler looks like an even gap all the way around, but it just want seat. Any ideas?

How hard did the coupling come apart after the bolts were out? Maybe the alignment was off when you got the boat.
 
Maybe you need to move the engine, transmission and v drive enough to let the coupling halves mate, then you can worry about the alignment.

Page 44 thru 47 in the link give you some guidance on alignment with a brief mention of your PCM v drive and a bunch of illustrations of the earlier style that had the coupling under the v drive instead of the pass thru shaft style.

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Well, everything is in, but now the shaft coupler isn't seating correctly.  Cannot get the shoulder on to even start the alignment. I have been looking for alignment steps on the forums, but so far I have not been able to find them. The coupler looks like an even gap all the way around, but it just want seat. Any ideas?
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

This just came up on another thread with a damper replacement. Chevy's have another bolt under this plate-






Thanks. I found that late last night and I am planning on checking that this morning. I didn't even remove the plate. I would have never thought the manufacturer would have hidden a bolt under there. I have rubbed the back of that bell housing so much I think it is going to press charges. Lol
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Thanks Ken. I didn’t check that after I posted it’s way to fricking early. Since the ice is out I wanted to get an early start to the holiday weekend

I thought it was a little early in the morning for you Gary 

Probably be all iced over by Monday morning so hurry up  Wink
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Thanks Ken. I didn’t check that after I posted it’s way to fricking early. Since the ice is out I wanted to get an early start to the holiday weekend
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Your link .............it don't work

Here's one that works

If you look at the beginning of yours and compare to this link, you have http://https://, you can get rid of some of that crap and make it look like what's below. I have no idea what those numbers are in the middle and at the end of your link either.

If only Keith had some instructions, since it's not exactly too easy to figure out   Mpost helped me get things figured out.  Wink

There haven't exactly been too many hyperlinks posted since the site was restored.

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This just came up on another thread with a damper replacement. Chevy's have another bolt under this plate-




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Well, v-drive and transmission are out. I was going at a good pace until I go t to the bell housing to replace the damper plate.I have removed all of the dust cover bolts and I believe all of the bell housing bolts. However, that thing will not come off. Any tricks to get it to break free? I believe it might be the pain holding it on, but I didn't want to go beating on it. Any diagrams or posts with picture you all can aim me to. I have searched the threads and nothing about a stuck bell housing comes up. 

On a side note: Is there any where I can go to get the torque specifications for the install? Thanks in advance
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Somebody has to ask those silly questions Wink

Glad it's out and you're movin' on

I'd pull the coupling when the new puller shows up just to clean up the seating surface on the shaft and hopefully make any future disassembly easier. (and much more importantly, just to show that coupling who the boss is)

Some heat and tighten the center bolt on the puller good and tight and a good whack on the center bolt with a hammer should have it off.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:


Just remember, when the going gets tough, the tough pull out the reciprocating saw or grinder and show that shaft who's the bossWink

Then you buy a new shaft like in the link


I really only put that link there to show you where I got the double tapered shaft info from.

Might be a silly question, not being familiar with a SAN 210, but how hard is it to remove the gas tank and slide the shaft and coupling out the front?

One of those little voices in my head says it's probably fairly tough Wink



Good call. I ordered the puller, but I was able to move the bow ballasts and gas tank forward (it was a pain btw). Got the shaft out with the coupler attached and the v-drive is removed. Tomorrow moving on to the transmission. I really appreciate everyone's input and assistance. More to follow as it moves along.
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Just remember, when the going gets tough, the tough pull out the reciprocating saw or grinder and show that shaft who's the bossWink

Then you buy a new shaft like in the link


I really only put that link there to show you where I got the double tapered shaft info from.

Might be a silly question, not being familiar with a 2012 SAN 210, but how hard is it to remove the gas tank and slide the shaft and coupling out the front?

One of those little voices in my head says it's probably fairly tough Wink
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William,
It's great Ken did some footwork and found your PN post filling in some gaps in information. So, now that you have a double taper shaft, you don't need to worry about heat shrink interference fits. Good luck with using that puller. It looks like it will work for you. 


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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

One other thing, I think you have a double tapered shaft and it'll pop just like a prop does on the other end of the shaft. Nothing, nothing, then bam it pops.

You just don't have much room to whack the center bolt on the puller with a hammer when things are tight

When the time comes it's a lot easier to put the coupling back on the shaft with the tapered shaft setup.

It won!! I am standing down until I can get that puller like the one in the video. Then I will re-address this situation. Very disheartening... I have spent so much time on this prop and coupler that I could have already had the transmission in and back on the water. Thanks for all of the help and I am always open to advice or ideas.

Going to throw together a DIY Post with pictures once this is all completed. I have scoured the internet for information and was very surprised at how limited it is out there.
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