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8122pbrainard 
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 Posted: February-09-2021 at 10:18am |
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Bruce, I've got hand worked Michigan's on two of my boats and an OJ on the 3rd. All have been reworked at one time and all run fantastic. Years back I did try an Acme on the Tique. From the start I didn't like it so the OJ went back on.
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Riley
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 10:14am |
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Pete, we had a 2001 we fixed up for resale, as well as our Tique which we sold, and they both had Federals on them that I had re finished by Delta, which is a great company and does a good job, in my experience. Both of those Federals ran so poorly that I'll never send one out to be refinished again. We put an Acme 1214 on the Tique and gave the buyer the option to pay more for the boat and he did. I think the 2001 got an Acme as well. If they're free, I'll try one, but I'm not buying them any more.
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TRBenj
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:40am |
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No need to be “protective”, no vested interest on my part. They just work the best- and I’ve collected a lot of data. Have run plenty of old federals too, every once in a while you find one that isn’t flexy and it actually tops out pretty good. But the holeshot is always crap and they vibrate like crazy even when they’re in perfect shape. Half the time they perform terribly, even up top- the chance you take with a used prop from an unknown source/history. My tolerance for poor performance and time wasting is lower than it used to be, federals are best suited for mantle ornaments, IMHO. I wouldn’t spend $10 on one unless my wife was short on candle holders.
Mike, see above- you can’t run a RH prop. |
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:31am |
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I just talked to Morfoot about reindexing the trans to RH rotation . Is that a better way to go ? I can then use the original 12x13 RH
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:24am |
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Bruce, For $100, I don't feel Mike can go wrong. Considering he has a LH 351 in a small gen 1 Mustang performance may not be the best as is.. Also, I feel there are times that Tim gets very protective regarding CNC props. Yes, they certainly are superior but not needed on Mikes Mustang.
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TRBenj
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:21am |
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Nope, velvet isn’t capable of full power reverse. Prop rotation must match engine rotation (and trans indexed accordingly). Correct craft wasn’t buying RH engines for the fun of it.
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Morfoot
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:16am |
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I thought the transmissions output direction rotation could be reversed....See...you can teach a dumb old airplane mechanic something new.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 9:05am |
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The engine rotation is what determines what hand the prop is. Indexing the trans simply matches the engine rotaion. It can not reverse the engine rotation.
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Morfoot
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 8:55am |
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Mike, have you considered reversing the direction of the Tranny? The Supra it came out of spins a lefty and CC's spin Right so reverse the direction and go with a RH Prop.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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GottaSki
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 8:36am |
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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Riley
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 7:57am |
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Contact Tim Benjamin about a new Acme. I've found those old Federals aren't worth spending any money on.
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KENO
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 7:50am |
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Here's an EBAY link to a 12X15 LH prop for a 1 inch shaft and it's cheap
I think that checks all the right boxes for ya'  |
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: February-08-2021 at 6:03pm |
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I reworked the trailer so it doesn't scratch the bottom of the boat loading .I also rebuilt the carb . Sea trials today the carb is running way too rich. Looks like the secondaries are leaking. I had the same problem with a holley because of the angle of the carb . I ordered a 5 degree wedge plate I will start there before I get into the reseting the floats . I am not that familiar with the Edelbrock if you know any tricks let me know. Still looking for a 12'' left prop tons of rights out there the left looks to be rare. Can a 13'' be cut down to a 12''?
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jimsport93
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Posted: January-27-2021 at 7:54am |
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The boat looks great Mike
And the smile on Gail’s face says it all ! Looking forward to seeing Tweety in person. Awesome job
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: January-27-2021 at 7:16am |
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-27-2021 at 6:51am |
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At long last SEA TRIALS . 70 degrees and sunny a perfect day for a boat ride. Over all it went pretty well a small list of tweaks and repairs ,carb needs an overhaul , The 13x13 prop I think is too big . Spent about an hour testing getting farther and farther as my confidence grew. No overheat but no thermostat . All gauges work ,sounds like a Harley. The trailer is next it needs a lot if help.
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-27-2021 at 6:36am |
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I put a bucket on the floor behind the engine then put the intake hose and water hose in the bucket. The bucket acts like the lake so the raw water pump must suck up the water like its supposed to.
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: January-24-2021 at 6:59am |
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Mike,
This is just a caution. How are you suppling water to the engine? The reason I ask is because a direct connection to the hose can mask cooling system problems. It's the pressure from the garden hose pushing water through that's the problem. The "Timmy tee" is the best since it allows the RWP to just suck like it normally does. I have a feeling you still have chunks of old impeller in the cooling.
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-24-2021 at 6:33am |
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Thank you DVskier
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DVskier
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Posted: January-23-2021 at 10:37pm |
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Carb engines use 143 degree thermostat, fuel injected engines use 160.
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ultrarunner
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Posted: January-23-2021 at 7:12pm |
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Michael, are you running it in the driveway with fake a lake or similar? Inadequate water pressure will cause the temp rise. I get the same on my SN in the driveway as I
am on well, and a good ways from the hose bib. The RW pump is pulling more than the supply pressure. Just a thought. |
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-23-2021 at 6:44pm |
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Well things didn't go as planned today . Engine install complete, throttle and trans cables working , new belts ,alt,starter fired it up and all seemed well until I saw the temp gauge rising and low flow out the exhaust. That started the days escapade . Impeller looked good but I replaced anyway ,Pulled the thermostat when hot it was open so I put it back in. Checked for flow through the exhaust manifold seemed low ,removed manifold took the front end off found a piece of old impeller. Tried to remove the rear end broke 2 bolts striped one. Spent the next couple hours drilling out broken bolts. Flushed out the other side . Still ran hot pulled the thermostat and bingo runs around 120 with good flow. Just about the time you think you know something things have a way to humble you. So what do you guys think should I go with a 160 degree or a 143 degree?
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GottaSki
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Posted: January-21-2021 at 7:32pm |
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Yeah we're excited for you
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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tryathlete
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Posted: January-21-2021 at 6:43pm |
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Can’t wait for the water test.....
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-21-2021 at 6:34pm |
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Got a lot done today all the hoses, belts new starter and alt Ign switch died installed a new one .Throttle cable was in wrong had to remove all the interior panels on the driver's side to sort it out works now . I will start it tomorrow and set it up . If all goes well I will do a water test saturday. Still looking for a 12'' LH prop is any has one .
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Nautiquehunter
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Posted: January-20-2021 at 7:21am |
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I set the engine in the same place as the original using the rub marks on the shaft as a guide . I will go with this and do a water test in the next week or so. The engine has been sitting on a stand for a year or more. When I uncovered it I noticed an oil leak . It turned out the brass adapter that screws in the oil pan is stripped . I ordered a new one but can't run it until it arrives.
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: January-19-2021 at 5:11pm |
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Mike, Careful with the position of the engine. I agree with Gary and I believe TRB mentioned it too.
You don't need any more weight up front. Shoot for the same as the 302. It shouldn't be a problem.
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Posted: January-19-2021 at 3:17pm |
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Hey Mike, was just thinking, are you adjusting the fore and aft position of the engine/trans to align with the angle of the current strut. As it occurred to me this will be a limiting factor as to where the motor is mounted. As was mentioned, you can re-insert the existing shaft, and place it where the original prop to strut dimension is. With the coupling end in the boat, you'll be able to determine the rest:
1. how long the shaft needs to be. 2. where the engine needs to be placed. As you know, you can use the fore and aft engine mount adjustments to control angle and somewhat where the engine gets placed, but enough adjustment needs to be left to fine-tune the alignment. Mark
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Duane in Indy
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Posted: January-19-2021 at 9:04am |
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Sounds like a good time to consider a double taper shaft. You will thank yourself later if you have to remove it.
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Riley
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Posted: January-19-2021 at 8:33am |
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Check the length of the shaft. If it's a single taper and looks old, maybe even original, it should be 40".
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