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That carter afb is original and appropriate. I'd soak it a bit to see if it comes back. Otherwise note the model number and start searching for another. Modern edelbrocks still use the AFB castings, a 600cfm would likely drop right in place if the budget allows. Alt looks like a newer replacement.

Pushrods, not lifters (those ride right on the cam. A little corrosion on these doesn't mean much. You'll need to spin the engine over twice to see all of the valves move once (it's a 4-stroke engine after all). The lifters are hydraulic and may have bled down from sitting. Priming the oil system would allow you to better assess. I still don't see any imminent signs of needing an engine rebuild.

I've seen several engines from that era with the corrugated radiator hose on the front. Not sure if original but wouldn't surprise me. It probably handled tight bends better than the hardwall stuff from 40+ years ago.

Trans likely has oil in it (as opposed to dirty ATF). Normal, and you can convert over to ATF when you're ready.

Tap that bolt holding the pylon in the cup glassed to the hull (the hole in the pylon pin is not threaded). Doesn't look like the flange at the floor will hold you up, lol. Then the only thing holding the pylon in the boat is corrosion between the pin and cup. Soak with penetrating oil then use a large breaker through the ring/finger to twist free if necessary.

I see several pieces of '73 hardware, ring/finger style and rear rope clearance bar are 2 obvious ones.
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Fixed the last 2. YouTube has gotten very user unfriendly.

I put hyperlinks at the bottom of the videos for those that can't see them.
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Might want to check the videos. Might be just me though.
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Well I got some time with the boat again.
Got some parts pulled off the engine. I found the source of the odd noise......It's a cliff hanger, but Zach was right.


Vid 5

Water pumps, transmissions, and pylons Oh my...........
1. How do you get the pylon out?




Vid 6

A look into the doghouse gel.



Vid 7

Bonus.......losing the valve cover bolt down the exhaust tube.





Vid 8
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Originally posted by Frankenotter Frankenotter wrote:

Originally posted by 63 Skier 63 Skier wrote:

I think the swim platform should match the tower. Black anodized tower, go with black fiberglass platform. Chrome tower, go with teak platform. Also keep in mind teak is less likely to scuff up the tube.


I was thinking that I would try to find either an orange tower or one that I could Piant orange. The platform will go based on what size orange underwater transom lights come in. Maybe I could just fiberglass over an old teak platform. I just need to make sure I save money in the budget for the subwoofers and surround sound. and the totally awesome new Super Air Nautique graphics I got for the sides. .


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Originally posted by 63 Skier 63 Skier wrote:

I think the swim platform should match the tower. Black anodized tower, go with black fiberglass platform. Chrome tower, go with teak platform. Also keep in mind teak is less likely to scuff up the tube.


I was thinking that I would try to find either an orange tower or one that I could Piant orange. The platform will go based on what size orange underwater transom lights come in. Maybe I could just fiberglass over an old teak platform. I just need to make sure I save money in the budget for the subwoofers and surround sound.
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Originally posted by 63 Skier 63 Skier wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Which platform makes a better tree bumper, fiberglass or teak?

Reading between the lines, looks like we need to find a set of extended towing mirrors for a Cadillac to put in Hollywood's stocking this year.


Actually it is related to another member (who happens to also be from the Northern IL area) allowing his trailer and Nautique to take an unattended "stroll" through the forest...
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Which platform makes a better tree bumper, fiberglass or teak?

Reading between the lines, looks like we need to find a set of extended towing mirrors for a Cadillac to put in Hollywood's stocking this year.
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Pretty sure the fiberglass platform will minimize damage to the hull from said tree impact, but will pretty much be destroyed. With the teak, I believe you would suffer significant hull damage but might be left with a platform that could be repaired. Either way you are going to have hull damage so maybe the teak is the way to go!
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I heard fiberglass works pretty well....
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Which platform makes a better tree bumper, fiberglass or teak?
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Originally posted by 63 Skier 63 Skier wrote:

I think the swim platform should match the tower. Black anodized tower, go with black fiberglass platform. Chrome tower, go with teak platform. Also keep in mind teak is less likely to scuff up the tube.


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I think the swim platform should match the tower. Black anodized tower, go with black fiberglass platform. Chrome tower, go with teak platform. Also keep in mind teak is less likely to scuff up the tube.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Originally posted by FamilyManCCF FamilyManCCF wrote:

Cool Project and cool thread! I really like the videos. Boat looks pretty complete. The platform does look like it is off a MasterCraft. Like the others suggested, I would remove it. If you want to restore it to period correct I wouldn't put one back on but if you are going to use the boat as a ski tug, I would look for teak platform. Very excited to see updates! Good luck!



Just hang a rope ladder off the back. It will look all tree houseish and no holes in the boat!

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+1!!! I'm with you keeping it original! Swim platform?


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Originally posted by FamilyManCCF FamilyManCCF wrote:

Cool Project and cool thread! I really like the videos. Boat looks pretty complete. The platform does look like it is off a MasterCraft. Like the others suggested, I would remove it. If you want to restore it to period correct I wouldn't put one back on but if you are going to use the boat as a ski tug, I would look for teak platform. Very excited to see updates! Good luck!



Just hang a rope ladder off the back. It will look all tree houseish and no holes in the boat!
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Cool Project and cool thread! I really like the videos. Boat looks pretty complete. The platform does look like it is off a MasterCraft. Like the others suggested, I would remove it. If you want to restore it to period correct I wouldn't put one back on but if you are going to use the boat as a ski tug, I would look for teak platform. Very excited to see updates! Good luck!
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1. Remove starter and see if noise persists.
2. Varify the trans is in neutral!.

Chris,
If you are verifying the trans is in neutral to find that noise, the shift lever position doesn't matter. Without the engine running, there isn't any hydraulic pressure developed by the trans pump to engage ether the forward or reverse clutch packs.


I kinda figured that, but I noticed the shift cable was frozen into the forward position. I see what your saying though.
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1. Remove starter and see if noise persists.
2. Varify the trans is in neutral!.

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If you are verifying the trans is in neutral to find that noise, the shift lever position doesn't matter. Without the engine running, there isn't any hydraulic pressure developed by the trans pump to engage ether the forward or reverse clutch packs.


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Flat tappet for sure. Chrysler didn't put roller cams in LA engines until about 1988 ish.
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I'll get to the boat in Friday and try to accomplish the following:

1. Remove starter and see if noise persists.
2. Varify the trans is in neutral!
3. Disconnect the alternator and water pump.
4. Oil change............I'm assuming this is a flat tappet engine and VR1 is recommended?
5. If the priming tool arrives, prime oil system and spin engine.
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So you have one to sell?


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I checked again... I wrote it right the first time.
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Removing the platform is a PITA but I'd consider it nonetheless.
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I agree with Tim 100%. Ditch the platform!

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Why rebuild it if it'll run with some TLC? Get it spinning and do a compression test.

Every promo (including ours) that I've seen in person has a platform that someone added after the fact. Never seen one with evidence of having had a ladder. I hate it. Removing the platform is a PITA but I'd consider it nonetheless. I would never add one.
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If you are planning on rebuilding the engine, your time may be better spent on tearing it down rather than trying to get it running?


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After reading the posts about priming the engine oil it started getting me thinking about the future of the engine. I'm totally willing to do it and prime the oil. however, given the general condition of the engine and the fact that it's missing two freeze plugs, is it worth doing this before I pull the engine apart for inspection?

I'm not opposed to doing the work, but do you think A compression test is worth it even if the engine has to get torn apart for inspection? I'm not being a smart a$$ here, I'm just asking lol.

Zach, I ordered the part that you suggested just because it seems like a good idea to have regardless.

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Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Pylon looks original. Usually white in color or just polished.
The doghouse will be a challenge, but wet sanding will be the only way to try and bring back the orange.
No, they wouldn't have had the swim platform on the back of that boat. Would have been stairs or nothing on the transom


I figured that was the case with the platforms. However, I don't see any deck holes where a latter would have previously been mounted. So I guess the answer is that originally it had nothing. I think I am going to do one un-original thing which is to copy the other promos and source a teak platform
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