Forums
NautiqueParts.comNautiqueSkins.com - Correct Craft Upholstery and Part
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Engine won't start
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Engine won't start

 Post Reply Post Reply Page   123>
Author
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Engine won't start
    Posted: June-05-2016 at 5:47pm
I have an 87 ski nautique that I purchased last fall and I'm having problems getting it to start. A little background info on boat, it has sat for the last 14 years in climate controlled storage and not been run. Here's a list of what I've done so far to boat,
Drained bad gas
New fuel filter
New fuel pump, old one was clogged
New holley 4160 marine carb, old one leaked gas out of a few gaskets after pump replacement
New plugs and wires
New cap and rotor
Distributor already had ei conversion done by po
New starter, battery and battery cables.
The motor wants to fire but won't. I've double and tripped checked that #1 plug at TDC on compression stroke, after I pulled distributor and primed oil pump.
All electrical connections and wires are good from dash to motor. Compression was a little low ~90 on all cylinders, figured OK there since boat has not ran into long time. I have good spark at all cylinders and I'm getting fuel through the carb into the intake and down to plugs. Last time I checked all you needed for an engine to run was fuel, spark, and air(compression). I'm starting to become frustrated with this and any help would be greatly appreciated
Back to Top
Duane in Indy View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: October-26-2015
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 1578
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duane in Indy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 7:51pm
Sounds as though you have all the key ingredients to run. Check TDC , then roll it around another 10 degrees or so. And make sure that the rotor is pointing towards # one stud on distributor. Crank it over. May even need to prime the carb some. If it cranks hard then back it up slightly. Should fire.
Keep it as original as YOU want it
        1978 Mustang (modified)
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 8:33pm
I would guess weak spark. Maybe get an inline tester to verify .
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 9:03pm
I have verified spark is good with an inline tester. TDC is set roughly 10 degrees. Every time I try to start it the first couple starts are the best, as in it almost fires, pushes water out through exhaust as it should, but then starts get weaker until I charge battery back up. I'm so dumbfounded as to what issue could be. I've had many people who understand motors a lot more than I do and even have similar motors in their boats and cars(knowing rotation is reversed) and no one seems to be able to come up with an answer, everyone says there is no reason it shouldn't start
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4112
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 9:18pm
Battery the right size with enough cranking amps? (group 65)
Choke closing and set properly?
Back to Top
oldcuda View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: June-22-2010
Status: Offline
Points: 474
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldcuda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 9:51pm
Is it equipped with ballast resistor? Only getting spark while cranking?
Back to Top
Gary S View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: November-30-2006
Location: Illinois
Status: Offline
Points: 14096
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 10:44pm
Here is what I'd check-
being an 87 it should be a right hand rotation engine. When you try to start it are the pulley's turning counter clockwise when viewed looking at the front of the engine? If not,new starter could be wrong.If that checks out I'd check the firing order for a reverse rotation 351
69 Mustang HM SS
95 Nautique Super Sport
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41040
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 10:51pm
Gary,
I've got a funny feeling you hit on the problem!!
Chris,
Why did you install a new starter? Hopefully you did use a marine version!


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-05-2016 at 11:06pm
New starter was installed because old one was locked up, it is correct starter, it was ordered from nautique parts. Pulleys are rotating counterclockwise as they should and firing order as wired on cap and labeled on nameplate of motor 18456273. It is a brand new battery with 850cca and the ballast resistor is dropping the voltage as it should. I can't remember the exact ohms of resistor and what voltage is coming off of it as its been a while since I checked those. The choke on the carb is operating as it should but I have not adjusted anything on carb yet, it does shoot fuel in while cranking if throttle is pumped as it should, I know some slight adjustments will be needed on carb once I can get it running.
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4112
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:04am
Your sure the rotor is pointing at the #1 post when it's at TDC
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 9:47am
The wires on the cap are wired counterclockwise. When I set TDC the rotor is pointing at roughly 1 o'clock which from what I've researched is where number 1 is located
Back to Top
Duane in Indy View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: October-26-2015
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 1578
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duane in Indy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:10am
Originally posted by Wakerider81 Wakerider81 wrote:

The wires on the cap are wired counterclockwise. When I set TDC the rotor is pointing at roughly 1 o'clock which from what I've researched is where number 1 is located


CCW is correct. Now see where the #1 wire goes. Trace it back from the spark plug. Then trace ALL the wires back to the cap and verify they are correct.
It really makes no difference about the 1 o'clock position as long as the firing order sequence is followed and #1 socket on cap is in position with the rotor.at TDC #1
Verify YOUR firing order
Keep it as original as YOU want it
        1978 Mustang (modified)
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41040
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:14am
Originally posted by Wakerider81 Wakerider81 wrote:

The wires on the cap are wired counterclockwise. When I set TDC the rotor is pointing at roughly 1 o'clock which from what I've researched is where number 1 is located

I feel you have misunderstood the concept. The distributor orientation can be anywhere within 360 degrees consequently the plug wires can start anywhere within 360 degrees. There is no orientation to a clock. Get the #1 to TDC compression again, look at where the rotor is pointing and start with the #1 plug wire there. Where have you been researching?


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:15am
I have verified firing order and have had 2 other people verify that firing order is correct. Everyone seems to be stumped and says it should start up
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41040
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Wakerider81 Wakerider81 wrote:

I have verified firing order and have had 2 other people verify that firing order is correct. Everyone seems to be stumped and says it should start up

Are they going by the 1 O'clock position as well?


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:28am
I was just using 1 o'clock as a reference, each time I have set TDC the rotor has ended up pointing at 1 o'clock roughly. I have gotten a lot of my info from this website doing numerous searches, that's what is frustrating I've followed advise and info from here and I'm still not getting it to fire. I really want to figure this out on my own and do the work myself instead of taking it to a shop and having them fix it
Back to Top
GottaSki View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: April-21-2005
Location: NE CT
Status: Offline
Points: 3335
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GottaSki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:31am
How are you referenceing numbering the cylinders?    
If you perhaps have chevy on the brain, all they share is #1
"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."

River Rat to Mole
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 10:43am
Front of motor
5.   1
6.   2
7.   3
8. 4
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4112
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 12:45pm
What Duane, Pete and I are referencing is that once you get #1 to TDC then where ever the rotor is pointing.     (1-o'clock or 4-o'clock)   doesn't really matter as long as that is where the # 1 plug wire is placed and your firing order goes from there around the cap counter clockwise.
Back to Top
GottaSki View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: April-21-2005
Location: NE CT
Status: Offline
Points: 3335
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GottaSki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 12:53pm
Check that, I was mistaken, no jugs share common numbers between the two brands
"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."

River Rat to Mole
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41040
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 1:04pm
Do double check that the #1 TDC is at the compression and not the exhaust stroke.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 1:09pm
Grand,
When using finger in number cylinder I have it set after I feel the sucking action in cylinder then I feel air pushing out and I have it set there, is that correct?
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4112
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 1:28pm
Yes
Also to make sure your on the compression stroke the timing mark should be at zero
Then to get it even closer to TDC turning the motor over by hand you can use a Phillips head or wood dowel in the plug hole to find exact TDC. (Usually helps to have an extra person for this)
NOW MAKE SURE WHERE EVER THE ROTOR IS POINTING THATS WHERE YOU PUT THE #1 PLUG WIRE. and continue your firing order CC from there.
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21131
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 1:39pm
No need for a piston stop unless you think your timing chain has skipped... The 0deg mark on the balancer is enough. Just make sure you confirm compression stroke. It's easy to misjudge if you're not rotating the engine over by hand.
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4112
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

. Just make sure you confirm compression stroke. It's easy to misjudge if you're not rotating the engine over by hand.

That is what I was trying to emphasize
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:00pm
I will check it all again today after work, I have been turning motor by hand while doing it.
Back to Top
Wakerider81 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: June-05-2016
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wakerider81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:02pm
One other question, with compression being low what kind of oil could I spray in spark plug holes to help seal up the cylinders? Could them not being fully sealed since it sat for 14yrs have much to do with it not starting?
Back to Top
Duane in Indy View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: October-26-2015
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 1578
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duane in Indy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:12pm
It's hard to do a long distance diagnosis, but, it sure sounds like you have the distributor 180 degrees off. Compression and exhaust stroke have similar characteristics when checking for TDC compression. Only certain way is to remove the valve cover and make sure both rocker arms are up at TDC. Was trying to keep you from doing that. If all else fails you may have to.
Some EI get full 12 volts and some get 8 or so off of the resister. Don't know what type you have and can only assume it ran in this configuration before. Good luck and hang in there. We've all been there. Duane
Keep it as original as YOU want it
        1978 Mustang (modified)
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21131
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

. Just make sure you confirm compression stroke. It's easy to misjudge if you're not rotating the engine over by hand.

That is what I was trying to emphasize

Understand... But I suggest KISS. A breaker bar, a 15/16" socket and a helper to hold their thumb over plug hole #1 is really what he needs. A piston stop won't tell him which stroke he's on any better than the balancer will. The last person I know that tried to get fancy and confirm TDC position ended up dropping something in the cylinder and had to pull the head off to get it out. I will not name names. KISS. :)
Back to Top
Hollywood View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: February-04-2004
Location: Twin Lakes, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 13512
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-06-2016 at 2:41pm
I was going to suggest 180 off too but 1 o,clock is usually where #1 goes on the cap. A previous owner would have had to fudge the distributor.

Is it catching at all?
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page   123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC