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    Posted: December-18-2014 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by 93/70 ccpb 93/70 ccpb wrote:

hello nautilus.i hope my 69 barracuda ss turns out as nice as yours when it is done.keep up you work.original or not wee need to keep them still on the water.dan in ohio
Nice Barracuda! you have a lot of work to do Dan before your's looks like that? when dad and I are done with the 81 I'll have to start helping you with the 69 SS
Always be ready for a run, the water does not wait for you!
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Jan,
You must have missed my question. From the picture you posted, the Shepard looks like a DD but as mentioned, they did love the VD's.
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Jan,
Was the Shepard originally a V drive? I know they loved to use them.

Jan,
Still missed the question?

Don't forget we'd love to see more pictures of both the Shepard and Dee Wite.


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Jan,
You must have missed my question. From the picture you posted, the Shepard looks like a DD but as mentioned, they did love the VD's.
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Jan,
Was the Shepard originally a V drive? I know they loved to use them.


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if you are hoping to grab senior women you might need to put saggy between big and boobs
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Thanks for the explanation Tim. I looked at a Peninsular 6.5 ad and talked to the seller last winter, had a 2:1 mated to it, but as you pointed out must have been thinking backwards about it.
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Originally posted by Nautilus Nautilus wrote:

Frankly, I'll take whatever speed I can get. I'm just building it to pick up hot senior chicks with big boobs. Think it'll work?


Heavy metal and a Woody to get chicks, yea that should work!! You may want to keep the Ruffies as Plan "B" just in case!!


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For now, I'll proceed with Michigan Wheel's recommendation. If I don't like the results, I can always change the transmission and/or prop.
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Your logic is backwards on the transmission... A low revving engine that wants to run higher speeds would benefit from a lower reduction or even an overdrive (<1:1) tranny. That would get prop speed higher (and allow use of a shorter prop).

High torque, low rev diesels usually go in larger/heavier/slower boats and the larger reduction further allows them to turn large props at low speeds.

I think JohnB has a good theory on the power of attraction that old, loud boats have.
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Yes, I'd say that boat will work for your "purpose" quite nicely!

Don't some of the diesel inboards use 2:1 transmissions? I'd almost think that would be the ticket for the low rpm and torque of that engine. Very cool, I can't wait to hear it run.
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Was the Shepard originally a V drive? I know they loved to use them.


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Yes. No need for water-jacketed exhausts. The engine will be completely exposed.
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btw, are the vertical tubes the exhaust/ you gonna run dry?
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WOW!! I have the same "YH" carb adapter on my bad 6 as your V12!
(just not quite as many of them)



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That is a complicated engine! It must take a lot of patience and know how to get running right. Those old engines are a completely different beast having low rpm and hp, but massive torque. I've got a friend that is rebuilding a 1915+- Scripts V8 and I forget the numbers, but the rpm and hp are very low, but the torque is very high.
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The prop is a little rare but is built by Michigan Wheel. They did the calculations based upon length, width, weight, length at waterline, transmission ratio, horsepower, etc., etc. This engine has a ton of torque. Frankly, I'll take whatever speed I can get. I'm just building it to pick up hot senior chicks with big boobs. Think it'll work?
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Jan,
Thanks for filling myself and others in on the engine. It's sure interesting and I hope you post the results.

I'm a little surprised on Michigan's 20" pitch recommendation but they are the experts. The RPM's are low but so is the HP for the heavy hull of the Shepard. The 1.23: 1 sure will help. One thing you didn't mention is the torque. I'm sure the engine has a pretty decent stroke and like so many of the engine back then had plenty of torque.

Keep us informed.


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That's not too oddball of a size, at least if he's running a 1-1/8" shaft. There were big block 1.5:1 boats that used similar sizes, though most were LH.

You must have quite a bit more than the original 215hp if you expect to see those kinds of speeds!

Neat engine for sure.
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[QUOTE=Nautilus] I'll be using a 14/20 cupped nibral prop (per Michigan Wheel) which should allow 50-55 MPH at 3,600 RPMs.[QUOTE]

Wow, that's got to be a custom prop?
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The engine is a 1947 American-LaFrance V12-J, 527 cubic inch displacement, 215 HP @3,600 RPMs, OHV, 24 spark plugs, two 12-point distributors each with two sets of points and four coils. The 12-spark plug version was originally used in mid-1930s Auburn automobiles. When Auburn went bankrupt, American-LaFrance bought the rights to the engine and re-worked it for firetruck use, including secondary heads holding four spark plugs each and a second distributor driven from the generator. It originally had two top-mounted carburetors and cast iron exhaust/intake manifolds.

I designed/built an aluminum intake/exhaust manifold sending the exhaust straight out the top and allowing the fuel to be supplied by six Carter YH marine carbs. The engine will drive a PCM 1.23:1 transmission through a Bentzen adapter and flywheel through an aluminum BBC bell housing. I'll be using a 14/20 cupped nibral prop (per Michigan Wheel) which should allow 50-55 MPH at 3,600 RPMs.

Now all I need is time and energy to work on it...and money. Donations accepted.
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Originally posted by Nautilus Nautilus wrote:

Up until two years ago, this was my boat:



I now own eight boats. The newest is 1988. The Stingray and Formula both run. The other six are projects, including a 1955 Shepherd that I will be converting to a rear cockpit racer powered by a V12 American-LaFrance engine.





Me LIKEY!!!!! BUT, we need more info on the engine!!!!



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I lurk on the site a lot, but rarely post anymore. Too much drama and BS and "my way is the only way"..... Don't let a couple of a**holes run you out of the site.

Rob, you've been around here a while. I think anyone who hangs around realizes how much valuable info is available to all of us. I'm fine with a few pointed comments because I always know those same people will take the time to help out in any way they are asked. And to be honest I really think there is less drama here than pretty much any site I visit.

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Originally posted by Nautilus Nautilus wrote:

The brackets are pot metal and they were painted Eastwood aluminum rather than having them re-plated.

Jan,
Have you ever had any problems with coatings adhering to zinc die castings? How do you prep?

Yes, your windshield is original.


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Yes, the windshield is glass and the brackets are original to the windshield. I have no idea if the windshield is original to the boat but it does fit like a glove and there were no extra holes in the topsides to make me believe there was once a different windshield mounted. The brackets are pot metal and they were painted Eastwood aluminum rather than having them re-plated.
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Hi Jan
On the Barracuda is that a glass windshield ? and the windshield corner brackets are those original to that boat ?

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Jan,
Thanks for filling us in. I've never seen an American-LaFrance in a marine application. Was it originally in a fire truck and you're converting it? What's your plan for a trans? The Sheperd's being a heavy and very stout built hull, it sure will be able to handle that engine.


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Thanks Joe haven't quite got it yet but can see with practice that it will work. My son always tells me I should take a class
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