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    Posted: April-30-2014 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:



I'm not familiar with perfect pass other than its cruise control? I don't need EFI for that? She does EXCELLENT once on plane, my dad is the one who needs it, he insists on pulling me at 27/28.


It will keep you at a constant speed as you ski. Perfect pass was originally designed for boats with a cable throttle (Carb or EFI), while Zero Off works on the drive by wire boats. They are well worth the money. One less thing for the driver to think about it. I pull tons of kids on all kinds of things, so being able to dial in a speed over and over again, makes it more enjoyable for driver and rider! Keep on skiing!
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Our boat has spent literally more time in the water this past month than on trailer with 2x a day being launched not uncommon and no signs of snake. Plus our night temps are up which I really think the snake was catching heat off the engine. If she finds the snake, we'll I know nothing about it.

I'm not familiar with perfect pass other than its cruise control? I don't need EFI for that? She does EXCELLENT once on plane, my dad is the one who needs it, he insists on pulling me at 27/28.
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Roys wife had the heavy hand while he was learning to foot so I stepped in with her and gave her the tips live as sje drove and explained why ...she figured it out and peace and happiness prevailed...have a buddy take the heat.
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Originally posted by Air206<br />It might be you, It might be your wife, it's probably all of the above.  Ski WITH someone else who knows how to do it....  <br /><br />It's like sex - you can read about it, or try it alone, but it's much better if you do it with someone who knows what they are doing!  [/QUOTE Air206
It might be you, It might be your wife, it's probably all of the above. Ski WITH someone else who knows how to do it....

It's like sex - you can read about it, or try it alone, but it's much better if you do it with someone who knows what they are doing! [/QUOTE wrote:




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If you plan on continuing skiing, go ahead and order a perfect pass now. As you get better you are going to start fighting about speed control.

PP saves my marriage several times a season, when the kids aren't around, and she is the only driver available!
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I think this thread has pretty well covered everything, and with almost no side tracks!

Maybe removing the knob will also minimize the throttle mashing?

You do realize that when she figures out how to accelerate she will also find the snake and all of this will have been pointless...
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Originally posted by Tom351 Tom351 wrote:

Driver form is important as well- make sure that she is resting her arm on the gunwale and only moving thumb/wrist to apply throttle.. Many beginners move their entire arm (pushing from elbow or shoulder) and this makes throttle movement MUCH less precise. One analogy is a computer mouse..try clicking around on your PC by moving elbow or shoulder compared to wrist and thumb movements.



Ding ding ding we have a winner. Tom hit the nail on the head. Went out last night, made very minor adjustments in my form, basically, extended arms so my front knee and elbows were all lined up. Dad slowly rolled into the throttle, slower than he says he has in 50 years with a skier, and Vola! I got up 4 times in a row. No pain, no strain, no sprain. He's used to his Nautique which doesnt shoot out the hole like that. Skied 4 times around the lake. On my way home I thought about everything you guys have said. Ive always drove like Tom described, with the wrist, but it occurred to me that both my wife and I have only driven stick shift vehicles. So when I get home her and I talked and asked her to show me how she drives and asked her without leading towards the correct answer, does she use her wrist to move the throttle or her elbow. She innocently said and displayed her elbow. Holy heck, her throttle movement was all shoulders and elbows as if she's shifting an old long throw tranny. It makes my forearms hurt thinking about it. I said maybe tonight we can go out and keep your elbow in the same spot on the boat, wrist in the same location towards the base of the throttle and move the throttle like a flamboyant gay man using his hands when he talks. You know what I mean.   I wonder if she had a water balloon in her palm between the throttle ball if that'll help ease the throttle, almost like an egg? I may tell her only touch the, throttle arm below the ball so she'll have less leverage. Maybe I shouldn't have dismantled and cleaned/lubed the Morse 3 weeks ago along with those Teleflex Extreme cables and correctly aligned all the components together.

Thanks for the help and input guys. She always does good but Hope I can tune my wife in a lil better.
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you could also demo one of the easy up widebody skis, those things pop out of the water on their own, and it would make it easier for you to hone in your position when you go back to the standard ski
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Dude Tom, for sure. This is why I have always hated the throttle set up of other manufacturers. CC always got it right in the arm rest department.
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Driver form is important as well- make sure that she is resting her arm on the gunwale and only moving thumb/wrist to apply throttle.. Many beginners move their entire arm (pushing from elbow or shoulder) and this makes throttle movement MUCH less precise. One analogy is a computer mouse..try clicking around on your PC by moving elbow or shoulder compared to wrist and thumb movements.
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Your hair is still dry, eyes open and breathing normally, not burying your head under water!
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Have your driver drag you at idle. You should be able to stay in form ready to go at any second. Once you calm down and aren't tipping and flopping around have her roll it up! I like that stop light approach.


That is how I usually do it, I was never sure if this was something other people do.
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Here's the good news. Because your wife is probably giving you a different pull everytime you will eventually be able to get up everytime with any driver behind any boat. While my wife was learning to drive, and I was learning to ski, she pulled me fast, slow, sideways, hesitated in mid pull and plenty of other variations. Through all that I learned to try and keep watching the back of the boat during the pull (this keeps your head up and body position slightly back) and I start slowly pushing with both legs as soon as I feel motion. If you wait to start pushing the boat will pull you over the front. It's not like an I/O. You don't have to wait for the boat to get going. Once I got used to it I prefer the hammer. It feels like the ski gets a little air as you launch out of the water. I skied behind a Mastercraft once and told the owner to hammer it he said no one could hang on to a full throttle pull (it was one of the Sammy Duvall 190's with the vette motor). You should have seen the look on his face when I stood right up. Good Luck and be patient. The guys I know that have criticized their wife's driving don't go to the lake anymore.
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I pin my knees against my elbows so that the rope pulls your entire body as one piece instead of just my arms and upper body. I only do this to hold my orientation while still in the water. Ie. at idle like HW said.
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Have your driver drag you at idle. You should be able to stay in form ready to go at any second. Once you calm down and aren't tipping and flopping around have her roll it up! I like that stop light approach.
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Good tips, a very observant driver makes all the difference when you are trying to learn or not. Each person is completely different in the learning curve. I am not a professional but I have taught a ton of non athletic people to slalom on skis they probably shouldn't have been learning on. Listen to all the pointers the guys are telling you. Poor form will make your life horrible and a driver not paying attention will worsen the effects. Once you master the form properly you should be able to get up behind any type of pull as long as you're strong enough.

My family has always preferred the Hammmmaaa down approach ha. Teaching new skiers is completely different. Like HW said leaning back is bad. You should fold your body out at even rates (ie knees, waist, arms, etc.) as you stand up when getting on top of the water. Personally, I pull my knees in as far as I can and tuck the tail of the ski up as close to my butt as possible to create a ramping effect of the ski. You don't want to hold the ski perpendicular to the water because then you are just pushing it and not climbing it like a hill.

The difference between getting up and not could be in the driver giving you a little more throttle when you are standing up or a little less pending the skier until you have it completely mastered.
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Oh yeah, both palms down. You don't need the baseball grip until you're swerving. It only increases your tendency to pull the handle into your body anyway.

Hard to say what angle I like my ski at. Not perpendicular and not parallel, whatever's comfortable? 45-60 (90 being up and down, 0 being flat under you like you're already skiing).
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I have a short session Saturday. I've been looking for a school bc I'm sure I'm full of bad habits that I'm unaware of. Unfortunately my wife can't go with me. I hope I can ride and watch other skiers afterwards.
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Go Take a lesson at a ski school. you will never regret doing so, take your driver with you spend the day and when you go back on your own to the water you will be far closer to your goal then you would think.
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LOL! I feel ya. I gained about 15lbs in the off season and I literally couldn't breathe for the first 60 seconds in the water the other day my vest was so tight.
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Originally posted by dwouncmd dwouncmd wrote:

I am no expert, but lots of good advice. Snug rope, a little throttle then more (I like the stoplight analogy), sitting high in the water with a good snug vest.



Don't worry, my vest is good and snug. That's part of the reason I decided to ski more, I'm too young to start packing these pounds on.
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We'll be up for certain last week in June, and the next trip IDK yet. But we won't have our boat most likely because I just don't think my '07 Crapvrolet will make it and I'm not fixing it again. Hopefully it dies soon so I'll have a new Tacoma to take, otherwise we'll be renting a boat which is always cheaper.
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When are you coming up to SML? We'll work on it together then... Skiing, that is!
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This makes me smile..... this is like telling you how to ride a bike via the internet. You gotta do it with someone who can teach you while watching your arms leave your body....

It might be you, It might be your wife, it's probably all of the above. Ski WITH someone else who knows how to do it....

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Todd - Just before you get your vest on, pull a spark plug wire. If she still takes off too fast, pull another from the other bank.

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I am no expert, but lots of good advice. Snug rope, a little throttle then more (I like the stoplight analogy), sitting high in the water with a good snug vest.

I am like you, I could never figure the one foot thing out. I have always started with two feet in (since 75 Tique/Larry helped me up). I think the key for me is to stay "set" with hands, arms, body, legs tucked and firm until on plane, letting the boat pull you instead of trying to pull yourself up or pull the boat back. Being high in the water may give you some of the advantage having one foot out would in terms of flatter angle to the water.

Having said all that, after changing the prop back from OJ to ACME after repairing the ACME, I missed 3 or 4 times this past Sunday, and I would swear it was my wife ripping me out of the water harder than she realized...
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I tell new drivers to pull out a skier the same way they pull a car away from a stop light, give it s little gas and let the speed catch up.
I have them practice several times before I get behind the boat.
A friend bought a new Fuel Injected boat when they first came out and loved to floor it and show how much power it had. The only thing accomplished was pulled muscles and damaged discs in backs. The boats have an excess of power that does not need to be used unless you are pulling out 4-5 deep water starts at once. ( we did 7 once ) My old 78 Nautique was only good for 4 with a 13x14 prop.
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10:1 for mine. I do the trailer backing. She wants to learn but baby steps, Lets perfect towing a skier first. I do get a kick out of how almost every couple gets in a fight at the ramp, 90% of the time its because the trailer is too deep and neither spouse can figure out thats the problem. And then we pass them.

When in the water waiting to take off, what angle is the best angle for the ski? (side view) Perpendicular to the water, 45 degrees, almost parallel to water surface like 160 degrees? I been doing some thinking, I've been putting my ski at a high angle, like almost parallel to the surface if that makes sense. Which puts more strain on my arms, less on legs. I was doing fine when she was taking off slow and uncertain but as the speed and confidence went up, I was just getting my arms ripped off. Gonna try one time tomorrow.

Ive also been putting possibly more ski tip out of the water than I should, inch recommendation?
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Arms totally out, relaxed actually. Anything else is a waste of energy.

All these pointers seem awkward because they are not what you're used to but that's only because your been doin it the hard way all this time. Your bad habits are just exposed by your driver and kick ass Acme prop!
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