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I still don't get it Pete. How is a sides to side level on the stringers any less level than a side to side level on the gunnel?
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I used the diamond blade on a grinder... Joe recommended it in his rebuild thread.   I felt that it worked pretty well, but scared myself once I got to about the drivers seat.   I didn't cut the bottom of the hull, but sure could have.   make sure and give a good couple of inches to the hull side, then curve sharply to the keel line as you pass the pylon mount.   YOu'll have a better feel for where the side is once you get some of the foam out. Foam removal worked really well using a hand driven sheet rock saw, and a trenching shovel.   I did my floor cutting in the garage, but I used visqueen as a "booth" around the boat. I was happy with the way that worked, but will probably grind the bilge outside since it is starting to be less rainy.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I would caution you on the use of a level. It only works if the boat is level. I like to use a straight edge across known points like the old floor and then measure to the stringers.


What the hell does this mean?

Yeah, Im not sure what Pete is saying either. Looks like he's trying to get the boat braced in place (level) before removing the old stringers. Thats a good idea, but doing all your demo work inside (grinding, etc) where you'll later be doing all your glassing will make a real mess.
3. Brace the gutted boat level. Use the gunnels as your side to side reference, and the old floor points as your front to back.
4. knowing that your boat is level,
Yes, I guess I wasn't too clear. The key is that Tim confirmed is the word "level" when putting all the new wood in. If the hull isn't level, using a level to the top of the wood is pointless. This is why I mentioned reference points like the floor to measure from.


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Gas tank is out ~~~ finally.


BTW, when I was reading the initial stringer replacement threads, I was amazed by how many times people were washing the transom out..... well now I know. It's a filthy mess down there!

Removing the rudder assembly has me a bit unnerved. Besides taking lots of pictures and video does anyone have any suggestions?

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Originally posted by iplan iplan wrote:





As to the circular saw and the floor: ~~~ any suggestions?




I haven't done this myself, but I remember others used a sawzall for ripping the floor. You can just let it hug the hull side as you travel down the length.

I know some have used a sawzall, but that can be real slow. Circular saw works great with a more aggressive (framing) blade. Stay a few inches away from the edges.
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Originally posted by iplan iplan wrote:





As to the circular saw and the floor: ~~~ any suggestions?




I haven't done this myself, but I remember others used a sawzall for ripping the floor. You can just let it hug the hull side as you travel down the length.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I would caution you on the use of a level. It only works if the boat is level. I like to use a straight edge across known points like the old floor and then measure to the stringers.


What the hell does this mean?

Yeah, Im not sure what Pete is saying either. Looks like he's trying to get the boat braced in place (level) before removing the old stringers. Thats a good idea, but doing all your demo work inside (grinding, etc) where you'll later be doing all your glassing will make a real mess.

Instead, I would suggest:
1. Take a lot measurements of the old stringers prior to removal. The most critical things are the engine mounts- get several reference points on where theyre located. Height and location fore/aft are critical. Everything else can move around a bit (floor height, etc).
2. Remove the old stringers and floor (outside). Might want to keep a lip of the old floor there as a reference point while you put the new stringers in (remove before new floor goes in).
3. Brace the gutted boat level. Use the gunnels as your side to side reference, and the old floor points as your front to back.
4. Commence with the rebuild, knowing that your boat is level, and thus, so should be all your new structure as you put it back in.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I would caution you on the use of a level. It only works if the boat is level. I like to use a straight edge across known points like the old floor and then measure to the stringers.


What the hell does this mean?


You are going to make a huge dusty mess inside if you cut and grind everything out now. Do everything except the stringers outside, on the trailer. Maybe someone who has done a SN2001 hull can further comment.

PS. Looks like Gary has been cutting off the [/ at the end of his quotes, probably just getting a little wild with the delete button while slimming down the quoted content.
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Keep going! You have plenty of removing work in front of you.

I would caution you on the use of a level. It only works if the boat is level. I like to use a straight edge across known points like the old floor and then measure to the stringers.


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Hey ~~~ that's why I couldn't do it ~ I was hitting the "Quick Reply" at the bottom.

This first picture shows the extent of floor separation (I put screw drivers in the crack so you could see how far it went).... It is basically separated from the air intake box to about 2 feet in front of the gas tank on the starboard side. You can also see the white line cut from the circular saw ~~~~~



The Port Side Secondary Stringer (below) has known issues.




No idea why pulling this tank is so hard. I'm cutting it tomorrow (I did get a fillup when I emptied the tank ~ so I'm still in the black). It also looks like there is a leak somewhere (see the dark stains running down the left side?)




Leveled and braced ~~~~~ For some reason, I'm really proud of this accomplishment.



As to the circular saw and the floor: It may have been a blade issue. I had a plywood blade ~~~~ little bitty teeth. It was brand new however, so I figured it would work on the fiberglass. I set the blade to cut about an eighth of an inch, but it was not happy, and made a lot of sparks. After a lot of forcing, it finally did draw a tiny line down the side, but that was about it. Once the line was drawn, it did not come free like I figured it would. I know this has to be a "user error" ~~~ any suggestions?

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Jonathan,
If the hoses are that hard, it would be best to replace them so, just cut them.

Why didn't the circular hand saw not work?

When you go to "post reply" (not quick reply) and click on the tree with the up arrow for picture posting, what happens?


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It turns out that I had to finish my building before I took the floor out (as it wasn't quite waterproof with no shingles or sides) ~ imagine that. It's still not "done" but today's the first day of spring, so I figured I needed to at least get going.


The carpet, engine, tranny, exhaust piping,etc., are all out.

I can not figure out the gas tank (I got it empty, but the hoses are immovable ~ essentially frozen. I was thinking I might just "cut" them off. Does anyone have a better solution?

Cutting the floor did not go as expected

I tried a circular saw, but that didn't work.

I also bought a 4.5 inch grinder, but I got the wrong kind of disks, so I couldn't even try it to see if it would be any better. If you recommend grinder, what disk would be best?

On the starboard side, the floor is mostly separated from the hull. I was really tempted to just pry it back from there (but I didn't want to break through the outer hull......).

Still now idea how to post pictures on this forum....

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Brace material isnt really important so long as its strong and stays put. Some people build their own fancy braces, some people make them adjustable, others swivel to account for hull angle, etc. On our BFN, we just chose some flat spots of the hull in the locations I described above and used cinder blocks and 4x4's (and some wood blocks/shims to dial in the height).
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

The trailer plus some strategically placed braces (Ive put them under the chine at the rear and again under the windshield) should shore it up properly.


This is the question I'm driving at: What did you use as a brace?

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No need to take the boat off the trailer... you just dont want to rely on the trailer alone to support the hull properly with the stringers and floor removed. The trailer plus some strategically placed braces (Ive put them under the chine at the rear and again under the windshield) should shore it up properly.
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As far as I understand you need to take the boat off the trailer and make some wooden mounting blocks for it, there are plenty of folks on here who have posted photos, I'll eventually be looking to do the same..
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So, I'm taking the plunge. From my first contemplative post (http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28637&title=stringer-replacement-decisions) I have made progress.

The garage to conduct the repair and later store the boat is mostly complete. The boat is inside, and I'm ready to begin the process.

The carpet has been removed, and I'm taking out the furniture today.

Engine removal, etc. is slotted for this weekend, as floor removal.

Before I start cutting on the floor, I had a question: What do you guys recommend to use to brace the boat so it doesn't sag any further when you remove the floor?

I'll get some pictures posted ASAP!

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