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The talk about these blue CC's sure has brought back some memories of my earlier years. Back when I was at Watercraft Sales (late 60's - early 70"s), We had a good customer who had a Cuda in the light blue. It had a white interior and I fell in love with that boat. However, the owner had two daughters that my eyes were more focused on!!! I'd be in the shop but when they came in, I would always make a point of going out to the gas pier and telling the gas "Jockey's" that I would take care of this customer. The sad part of the story is I never was able to get anywhere with ether of the girls! - Not even a date!


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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

I think it's probably a light blue like Reid's old Mustang.

Bruce, you might have to be more specific!

Baby Blue:





Just so we're clear...regardless of what outfit is calling it....

That color is CAROLINA BLUE....GOT IT?!

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When I first started to read this and saw who posted it I thought it was a ad for the Hair Club for Men,I was going to join--

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All Reid needs is some transplanting work!


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Originally posted by Bri892001 Bri892001 wrote:

Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

I have a feeling you guys are going to find out what an outdrive looks like


Connorrsons has put a lot of work into firming up his transom, so hopefully you guys will at least be able to appreciate it.


As a founding member of the CCF "Competitive Racing and Performance" organization (CRAP, for short), I was asked to announce that a mandatory drag race must now be factored into all future speed contests and officially timed events. While certainly not the intention, this will most likely exclude any I/O powered, and many V-Drive powered boats from any official speed records.
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

I have a feeling you guys are going to find out what an outdrive looks like


Connorrsons has put a lot of work into firming up his transom, so hopefully you guys will at least be able to appreciate it.
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Wildcat vs 2001,   Not even remotely similar.
Riley was on the right track.   They ride and drive about
like a really, really big Barracuda. Similar to a 19 Century Resorter.
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of course with adj trim outdrives
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I have a feeling you guys are going to find out what an outdrive looks like
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i'd love to see some pics of that marauder
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The Marauder I just picked up (orange one) is a huge boat for 19/20 ft
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be careful Reid he is buying out all the competition
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Finally a fire under you boys, Joe hasn't seen a transom in some time.

I/Os are their own division IMO
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Originally posted by reidp reidp wrote:

Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Of course I have no interest in pursuing any of this stuff myself, not till one of you punks comes up with something faster than my towered tug boat anyway.


Who is calling punks? You mean 1 or 2 mph slower,.........and I'm a punk. Meet me on the SJRR, and I'll show you a punk,...punk.     

How about <1mph slower, am I still a punk?

You just wait til we get the BBC back on the water with a roller cam and some real exhaust manifolds... you'll be thumbing through the Glenwood catalog in no time!

(Decision is still pending on the roller cam- but the exhaust is sitting here ready to bolt on.)

Im hoping to hold the crown for at least 5 minutes- at least until you find a home for that 383, or Reid gets the 427 1gsn done, or Jeff Connors finished his Separator (if I/O's even count)...


Mike, I bet the Wildcat hull is pretty similar to the Marauder that followed it. Just a wild guess though- Ive never seen the latter in person! Ive crawled all over Reid's Tournament Skier (same hull as the Wildcat) and for 19', the boat is BIG.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Of course I have no interest in pursuing any of this stuff myself, not till one of you punks comes up with something faster than my towered tug boat anyway.


Who is calling punks? You mean 1 or 2 mph slower,.........and I'm a punk. Meet me on the SJRR, and I'll show you a punk,...punk.     
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As to the 2001 hull vs the wildcat. I do fundamentally agree with tim’s assessment the wildcat is bigger but not necessarily at the water line. The hull itself looks to have some hook at the chine (or maybe this one does after sitting on a trailer for years?) . I suspect it has a standard strut angle for a CC but it does have a strut with a skeg.. not the strut you would find on a smaller boat so it is possible. It also has a pretty sizeable rudder . Changing in the drive angle on one of these boats significantly might be improbable but simple vector analysis would yield that you would be much better off.. more force going into forward motion and less going into digging down the nose and lifting the back end. Which as noted above is not a good failure mode.   

I still believe that a lighter boat like a first gen SN might benefit from a steel inboard racing prop with significant rake. The rake may in fact lift the nose enough for it to be a game changer (5+mph improvement). It may also work on a smaller boat, but the boat and driver are more likely to survive the experiment in a longer boat.
Of course I have no interest in pursuing any of this stuff myself, not till one of you punks comes up with something faster than my towered tug boat anyway.
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Would the Wildcat hull be similar to the 71/72 Marauder ??
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True that on drive angle Tim. This is one cool old boat. I had the same windshield in my 70 Century Buccanner, Really nice on a hot day if you have a top for shade. open to full horizonal, 10 mph and a mist bottle of water equals air conditioning! If you can keep the boat under control with a modern prop you might get close to 60mph but I'd want a center fin does this have one? When I was young early 60's I saw a boat swap ends, the prop got to the surface from porpoising. Then walked around the boat on the surface. Driver suffered broken ribs from ice chest in front seat for balance. No more speed runs in boat till center fin installed and tabs.

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Needing tabs doesnt necessarily translate into a fast hull... it just means the hull has a tendency to bounce. A little bounce is good, but too much, too early (lower speeds) is probably counterproductive... lots of Classics have tabs, and I dont think any are setting new speed records.

The Wildcat hull is definitely a different animal than a BFN, as that's a deep vee. Its closer to a 2001, but thats still a good bit different. Its a good sized boat, but a lot of the size is in its depth, and width above the waterline- the hull has a lot of "flare". The running surface is probably a good bit smaller than a 2001, so there is good reason to believe it will be good for 50mph with a stock big block... maybe a little more if it runs bow high.

Joe, as we approach 60mph, Im starting to be convinced that we're seeing the limitations of our steep propshaft angles. When I rebuild my 1gen, I want to go shallower- maybe 8-10deg... I believe Bill Burgess made a recommendation along those lines on here at some point. There were plenty of v-drive boats made with hardware in that range, so sourcing the parts shouldnt be too tough...

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Originally posted by SS 201 SS 201 wrote:

You need a 9 or 10 degree strut angle, a prop that is positioned as close to the back of the strut and the blade about 1/4 of a inch from the bottom. A Prop that has at least 9 degrees of rake.
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Wildcats should be pretty fast, I've seen lots of tabs on them, a buddy has one with a 390fe, it porpoises like a SOB. The motor was never healthy last year but just got rebuilt, WOT speet TBD.

I wonder if instead of the little tabs I've seen on these a set of good sized hydraulic tabs would keep it from porpoising, though I'd bet they scrub a bit of speed off.
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Originally posted by Jllogan Jllogan wrote:

ok so who is gonna attach a hydrofoil to their nautique for our curiosity to be satisfied?

It's probably on Reid's mind every time he has a problem falling asleep!


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More like the Barracuda hull, only wider. It rides nice and high with the bow out of the water.
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would you guys compare the wildcat hull to the 2001 hull? or bfn
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I think tim and larry both have a point, a 2001 hull is a lot bigger and harder to push than a 16 footer. But that combination I feel was also not that effective at getting power to the water and I am sure that 400 hp could get a 2001 a lot closer to 55 with the right gearing, prop, etc. I never could quite dial that one in the last 500 rpm were only good for about 1 mph.
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Wildcats should be pretty fast, I've seen lots of tabs on them, a buddy has one with a 390fe, it porpoises like a SOB. The motor was never healthy last year but just got rebuilt, WOT speet TBD.

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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

True story - that version of the motor was 403hp on the dyno but never quite saw 53 mph. I am hoping that peter finds a wildcat a little easier to move and sees similar speeds with 290 hp.


I wish I knew what model, but there was a CC on our lake in the late '60's into the '70's that would run 50, thought to be the fastest boat on the lake at the time. If I had to guess I'd say 19' Wildcat, no idea what the power was. It seems to make sense that the Wildcat has to be one of the fastest hulls they built, an extension of the flatbottom 16 ft. boats, and maybe more to the point a hull capable of running that speed with a bit more stable handling. Joe I'm sure you're right that Peter will be in the 50's with that power. When he adds the intake and dual quads .......

This thread really gets me thinking about taking on a project. The way I move on stuff like this it might take 5 years, but it's fun to think about at least for now.
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Originally posted by Jllogan Jllogan wrote:

ok so who is gonna attach a hydrofoil to their nautique for our curiosity to be satisfied?

It's probably on Reid's mind every time he has a problem falling asleep!


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Larry,
Think about hydro's and not much in the water = fast!


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