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Riley
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Kristof, Chantel must drive with authority! I really don't know what the best solution is. I know gel can come back amazingly well from the way our Mustang came out. On the other hand our Classic is painted. If we ever go the big bucks route and have it redone, I think I'd go with gel as it is without a doubt better. The only way I'd go paint is if it was much less money. The guy up here paints the bottom with black bottom paint.
Here is his personal boat. It was at the 2nd NE Reunion. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1975&sort=&pagenum=1 |
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Kristof
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Tim,
Ya have a point there... Damn... More doubts! Good thing Chantal isn't reading this thread, cause she's all over me into keeping it original... |
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Kristof
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Quinner, you're a sick little puppy ROFLOL
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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TRBenj
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Ha, you must be feeling the peer pressure... it seems like just about every CC Ive seen that has made its way to Europe ends up with a funky paintjob or other significant modifications. I figured it must feel pretty cool to have one of the only original boats on the continent! Maybe I was wrong.
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quinner
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Did you happen to be standing on the dock? Maybe her driving is better then you think, LOL |
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Kristof
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Tim,
Logic has nothing to do with it I wanted to do this for a long time. Chantal cried for hours when it happened, but I was secretly glad it happenend... I love Choppers' hull and wanted to do something similar since I got the boat. Yes, I know, not original, but had that conversation with Pete over the phone last week . |
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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TRBenj
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Im not following your logic from statement #1 to statement #2. Ive seen much larger areas repaired than the one youre describing- and it didnt involve regelling (or repainting) the whole boat. A good gelcoat guy can match the color in the affected area and it should be nearly impossible to tell there was ever any damage. "Polyester topcoat" is gelcoat. Gelcoat is simply tinted polyester resin. You would not need a primer when applying gel over polyester (fiberglass or gelcoat), nor vinylester (which is the type of fiberglass your hull is made out of). You would need some sort of intermediate step between the epoxy filler you used and gelcoat, because while epoxy sticks to everything (polyester and vinylester), polyester does not stick to epoxy. I believe Pete recommends an intermediate step of vinylester resin... but Ill let those more experienced than me chime in on the specifics. |
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Kristof
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Question: if I use the polyester topcoat, do I need primer first...?
My first guess would be no... But I might just as well be wrong . |
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Kristof
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Due to lack of driving experience, Chantal hit the dock a little too hard a few weeks ago... So now there is a 2 inch wide and 2 feet long crack on the starbordside, all through the gelcoat. We made a quick fix with epoxy fairing compound at the time, since it was three weeks from the end of the season and it was a beautiful day... But now it has to be fixed the right way... This means the whole sides have to be redone... And so I decided to redo the whole hull below the rub rail... |
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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BuffaloBFN
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parafin=wax
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Kristof
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Aaarrrrgghh... back to doubts again...
Can you point me to a few sites that give good explanantion on how it works and where I can get it? Found this site in Holland where they give following explanations: Gelcoat: stays sticky on the evaporating side (outside), if you don't want it to be sticky on the outside, you must use our polyester topcoat, which has a parafine solution mixed in. Colour pigments can be added. |
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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BuffaloBFN
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I wonder how the yuckytan yellow is coming along? That might be good input.
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storm34
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I'm sure that in translation, he said "paint" in Belgium which is "gel" in english.
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8122pbrainard
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Kristof,
I talked with Billy and there seems to be a communication issue between the Cajon and Belgium languages!!! He's up to speed and knows all about gel coat but just feels you should paint the boat. |
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8122pbrainard
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Kristof,
As mentioned, I've got to straighten Billy out who I understand is the one who told you gel needs to go into a enclosed mold. It doesn't!!! Wax is added or a PVA coating is applied. Both will seal off the sprayed gel so it will cure. Maybe the process hasn't made it far enough south yet?? It's been around for at least 15 years. Ask your Sterling guy about leaving the painted hull in the water. |
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TRBenj
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I guess the first question that needs to be answered, is why refinish at all? Is there extensive cracking or blistering that needs to be repaired? Your boat looks to be in great condition, so Im curious.
Ill let Pete and the other experts handle the gel vs. paint question, as I dont have any first hand experience... yet. Based on my limited research here, I do know that spraying gel is a legit practice, and when it comes time to refinish the deck of my '67 Nautique, it will be getting gelcoat. |
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Kristof
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I've spent the last three months reading and getting info on paint and gel.
I've been advised to repaint instead of regelling, because gel apparently doesn't work that well in open air (only works in a mold by chemical reaction). Others told me gel is better than paint and works the same... The salesman from Sterling paints told me if I repaint it with Sterling coating it wouldn't be a problem if the boat stays in the water. (BTW I know a few fiberglass boats in my marina that stay in the water all season and are repainted, with Sterling...) So, can someone here finally tell me what to do, so I can stop breaking my head over this...? |
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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8122pbrainard
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The extra cost of doing a gel job is really in the sanding and buffing of the final finish. Algrip is good stuff but it'd still paint and needs to be treated as such. Plus, to my knowlege, there isn't a paint out there that recommends keeping the boat in the water for very long. Kristof, did you consider that? Don't you keep you boat in the water?
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TRBenj
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That might have been Eric Clarke... he said something along the same lines to me in NC. His Classic is gorgeous, but he said for the time and expense he went through to paint the boat, he sort of wishes he had gone with gel instead. |
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Riley
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Someone recently said that between prep and cost of painting with Algrip, it wouldn't have cost any more to go with gel.
There's a guy in Portland that does fiberglass work and paints boats. He's done 2 Mustangs that I've seen and they looked stunning. They look like gel, but are done with Awlgrip. I don't know what he charges for a whole boat, but I got an estimate of around $5k just for the deck on the Classic. |
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8122pbrainard
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Regretably yes!! Algrip!! |
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TRBenj
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Please tell me youre not actually considering painting your boat! |
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will the boat match the propane tanks?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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Its funny how the boats talk to us but we don't want to listen. Thanks for sharing, it is a good reminder for all of us. Sounds like you have plenty to keep you busy over the winter. It will be worth it in the spring though. Wish I had a work space. Mine will sit in a snow bank till spring.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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Kristof
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Since the shaft didn't spin all that freely the last few weeks of ski season, I decided to take the boat out to the marina for one last time to check my alignment while she's sitting in the water.
When I started on loosening the bolts on the engine mounts, I found out that the starbordside front mount was completely loose and all the way down!!! I could just slap myself!! Right there I understood why the engine had that funny vibration (even when the trans wasn't engaged). Ain't no such thing as "I-don't-need-to-check-the-alignment-this-year-I'll-do-it-next-year" or "I'll-check-that-later-let's-just-ski-now"...Hard lesson learned (yet again). Now she spins as smooth as can be! Next: making her ready for winter tomorrow. In two weeks she'll go to an upholsterer for a complete new interior. After that, sanding, sanding, sanding to prep her for a new paint job... So I won't get bored this winter... Pics will follow off course |
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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