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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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What type of resin would have been used in a 1997 Ski Nautique? Epoxy, vinyl, polyester, something else??
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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thanks very much for this info... I did a quick search to try and find a place to purchase this but no luck yet... I emailed NautiqueParts.... we'll see...
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Rick, Are you doing some glass work and are concerned about the resin type? If so, I'd suggest just going epoxy. It's stronger, will bond to the AME and it's not hygroscopic.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10768 |
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I was kinda hoping you were gonna put some glass on your "new" platform ![]() Here's my temporary abomination..... ![]() |
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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LOL!! I found a place in St Pete that is building me a new platform....
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10768 |
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I don't see you getting much attention here or on PN.
I think I'd just get a small amount of vinylester resin and a little cloth or mat for doing the repair and then a small gel coat kit for matching the color after that.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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A better explanation would have helped us answer the real question... thanks KenO for the link.
I’d use epoxy on the inside repairs and have that handle the structural half of the fix. Is that block not for the grab handle? Tough to tell where it’s located from the pic. I’d use vinyl for any exterior repairs prior to gel. |
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Thanks guys, I appreciate all the input! I thought my first concern should be matching what the boat was built with but the general consensus seems to be Epoxy for the underside, structural repairs... Clearly epoxy resin is far easier to obtain...
My plan is to remove the hanging matt/resin and build back up from the inside, then address the cracks in the gelcoat. I question how to keep the new matt and resin in place since it's overhead. I was thinking a aluminum sheet formed to the area that could be used to "prop up" the new work until it's cured enough to stay put itself. The resin won't stick to the aluminum. Any thoughts on this?? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Wax paper or saran wrap. Both peel off easily after curing. Or even a zip lock bag- size depending on how big a piece you need to cover
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Epoxy will certainly stick to aluminum. If the shape doesn’t match that of the transom perfectly then it wouldn’t help much anyways. Lay it up in multiple thin layers (I’d use more cloth than mat) and gravity won’t fight you much. Keep revisiting the area as it cures and roll out any air bubbles that get introduced from droopage etc.
Epoxy is being suggested due to its strength and ease of working. It’ll stick to all other types of glass (though the inverse is not true). Availability for any of the types isn’t a concern unless you’re trying to source locally for some reason. http://www.uscomposites.com/ |
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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I share your concerns about the form not matching the transom perfectly... slow and steady might win the race... I might test the no form, slow and steady, overhead theory on the piece I pull out...
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I was using Polyester resin on alum and it didn't stick so it made a great form... epoxy maybe not so much...
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I'm now thinking you had better just better take it somewhere and have it done by someone who knows what their doing.... Isn't your insurance covering this?
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Yes, but the issue I have is handing a large sum of money to a shop that says "We can't guarantee that it won't crack again"... More than 1 place said this....
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I have wrapped a sponge with plastic & then use a stick to hold up the patch with it.
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I have used party balloons inflated to hold resin and cloth in place. It's sort of like the reverse of vacuum bagging.
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I'm finding the cracking again hard to understand if the backing at the repair is done properly. Maybe try yet another shop? What's the insurance company saying?
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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I REALLY like this!!! Brilliant... thanks for suggesting it...
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I've begun the work... Removed the hanging chads,,,, err fiberglass mat/resin. found that what I thought was the backside of the gelcoat was more of the blocks that obviously are for a stronger hull... They'll go right back where I found them. I supported the "blocked" area and added my first layer of cloth and epoxy resin. It went on nicely without any sagging issues. The area is not entirely overhead which I think is helping quite a bit. Very happy with the work so far and quite confident that taking my time will yield very good results. thanks for all the help here!
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second layer on. 1st and 2nd layers tie everything together as it was before... Subsequent layers will bring the new stuff where the old stuff was removed out to the previous thickness... It's slow going, but it's going...
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Rick,
Glad to hear you're making some progress. How about some pictures?
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Laying all the layers at once is best, if possible. This will bond the layers better than if they dry and the next layer is mechanically bonded to the previous.
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wetskier2000 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-07-2005 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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that makes sense... I should be able to do this going forward... thanks
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It worked!! I successfully put on multiple layers in one pass... Just took my time between layers enough that the previous one was tacky but not soaked,,, No sagging or dripping... Once the latest resin dries, I'll check the thickness compared to previous... I might be done on the underside...
Foam question... I always assumed the foam I scooped out to do the FG work was flotation but in the FG repair section of West marine all I found was sealant foam. Have I been wrong all these years and the stuff sprayed into our Nautiques along the deck/hull joint is for sealing?? (Would not be the first time I was wrong :-)
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10-12 layers... I think I'm done on the underside less the aforementioned foam... Now I'll move to the top side. My plan is to remove any cracked gelcoat or FG and create small V shaped openings. If the depths are minimal, I'll just insert a little epoxy resin. considerable depths I'll use some type of filler also... Might also use my newly acquired, fancy-dancy West Marine syringes to inject some resin, if needed.
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Rick,
Look'n great. One word of caution regarding the top side and that's don't use the epoxy resin there. The best fill will be gel coat and it doesn't stick to epoxy. If resin is needed there, you will need to use polyester or vinylester. Small kits of gel are available and even come with tints to mix and match your existing.
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I wouldn’t be injecting straight epoxy resin in any case, but I don’t understand your plan or what you’re trying to accomplish. Maybe you can elaborate.
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Voids in his layup.
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