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8122pbrainard
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My first impression is the dealer is out to make some money!
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James T Brockma
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Just an FYI skier there are several threads on PlanetNautique where owners of 2000-2002 model years replaced their key pads with new ones right out of the box with no need to go to the dealer for any kind of programming. Since there seems to be space to store 3 codes the recommendation seems to be to use the original master code as the first entry to keep it “original” for future owners/trips to the dealer for service/repairs. I think a call to NautiqueParts is in order before a 2 hr trip to the dealer.
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Jim '06 216
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KENO
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I think we all have Among other things, I also seem to have learned that their diagrams are pretty much worthless when they don't even show a PDM on any of the available diagrams on PN for the 00 to 02 boats. (dash diagram, main harness diagram etc) |
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ultrarunner
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I'd find out what tool their using and GET ONE! That tool should be mandatory for anyone with a 'key pad' operated boat! MS
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Mikeski2000
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Power Distribution Module(PDM). Why they can’t just call it the fuse box.
Hope they get you sorted out. Seem to remember hearing that on Planet Nautique once as well. Mike |
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Power distribution module... PDM, just looked it up
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Not sure, lol, I didnt ask what it stood for I did clarify he was talking about the breaker box under the steering column. The nautique dealer apparently has to get in it with a computer and reset it. I'm going to call a few more Monday and get their opinions as well before I drive 2 hours to the dealer.
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James T Brockma
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By the way what exactly is a PDM and what does PDM stand for?
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Jim '06 216
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James T Brockma
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Now I have learned something.
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Jim '06 216
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Ok,so I spoke to the nautique dealer and they said my PDM (breaker box) is locked out. I'm not getting a volts reading from the other wires because the keypad sends data back to PDM not power, thats why my multimete just dimly blinks when I test orange wire. I have to take the boat to nautique dealer so they can go in and program my PDM to new keypad. Fingers crossed thats all it is.
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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That's what I'm hoping as well, I sent an email to nautique parts and also the dealer where I got the boat, but from what I have found online, the new ones don't have embedded code and the original code is stored in the old keypad. I havnt been able to do anything as far as programming on this new one though
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Mikeski2000
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Curiosity has gotten the better of me so here is what I see on mine.
When I enter my code, I hit start once. It lights like you show, and my radio comes on. One more quick hit and my gauges come to life. I push start longer and it fires off. No code and I get the dash lights like you but nothing else. Just like you are showing. I don’t have an ohm reader so I can’t give you voltages. I wonder if you have a code somehow programmed in yours. Just my thoughts. I’m sorry you are struggling so much with this. A key would be nice sometimes. |
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Lol, you know I will be!! I'll be sharing with yall too! I hope thats the issue, bc im kind of at a dead end here. I will update when I get the new one in.
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James T Brockma
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Yes that is correct. It must not be unlocking. I just checked PlanetNautique and no new posts there yet. Sounds like you have already contacted NautiqueParts for a replacement. Hopefully in the end you are the “one in a million” guy that gets the faulty key pad. If that turns out to be the case, buy a lottery ticket for a million dollar drawing. Maybe lighting will strike twice.
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Jim '06 216
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Not sure if I did this right, but let me know if yall can see this short video
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https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/iODv1kbfETt3
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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No, sorry, I should have been more clear, the indicater lights only come on when I push a number button, neither one stays on... the lights im referring to are dim lights behind each button on both keypads, so I guess I'm still not unlocking the system? The indicator light under the 4 would stay on if I did?
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James T Brockma
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Skier, you said when you push the start your “dash lights” come on. Do you mean the indicator light immediately below the # 4 button. If so you have entered “unlocked” mode. Which is a good start and what is expected since we can assume no code of any kind has been successfully installed thus far. In “Unlocked”mode and with the indicator light below button #4 “ON” you should now have power to the key pad to the right of the steering wheel and all function on that key pad should operate assuming your boat came with that option.
Once you have it in “unlocked” mode do a very quick second press of the start button in an effort to advance the key pad to “Run” mode. In “Run” mode the indicator light immediately below the #1 should be “ON” indicating that power is being supplied to the ignition. The key pad is designed to remain in “Run” for about 15 minutes if nothing else is done. I would then recheck the orange and green wires for voltage and I would expect one or the other to show something. Let’s assume you 12+ volts at one of those wires. Pressing and holding the start button now for the third time should activate the starter.
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Jim '06 216
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8122pbrainard
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What kind of VOM do you have? It has a light that lights up or do you mean the numerals light up and gives you a voltage reading ? Fill us in.
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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I guess I'm going to box this keypad up and send it back for a replacement... I checked the wires again, and with 14.5v the orange wire makes the multimeter kick on very dim, not enough power to read but a very little must be trickling through it. That should be a sure tell sign that this new pad is faulty, correct? Or it has a code in it from factory and they have not supplied it for me?
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KENO
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With no voltage on any other wire, it's like a big black hole that your power goes into and never gets out of I'd have to agree with JTB and you that it's a keypad programming issue and no power is going to the start and ignition circuits. A battery with 12.3 volts being unable to make the keypad function sounds just plain kinda ridiculous. |
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8122pbrainard
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Some reading is needed: |
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Ok, so by charging my battery, the dash lights now turn on when I push start, still nothing else though.
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James T Brockma
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I could be wrong but as a ballpark range a resting fully charged battery should be 12.6-12.8v. 12.9 and above is considered overcharged. An alternator puts out 13.7-14.7v. A battery charger initially puts out about 14.7 and the floats at 13.5 v. There are other poster on here that are a lot more knowledgeable about this than me.
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Jim '06 216
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Ok James, I appreciate it, I did hook charger up to it just to see how much voltage I can get out of it, however I don't believe I will get 14 bc its a 12 v system
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James T Brockma
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No power out of either green or orange wire makes me suspicious of the key pad. I asked Jeff if he would check the voltage of the key pad wires on one of his boats since I am 2000 miles away from mine. I am sure he will be willing to help but has yet to post back to me. In the mean time I would be calling NautiqueParts and get their thoughts and if appropriate sending you a replacement.
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Jim '06 216
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Charge your new battery, I get 13.2
My alt puts out 14 |
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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With the new battery I am getting 12.5 at the red wire and the exact same at the battery. I got a group 65 battery like it calls for. 750 cca and new ground terminal... I get the same voltage at starter and solenoid, just no communication from keypad, and no power at any other wire from keypad when I push any button.
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James T Brockma
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Skier, I did post the question to NautiqueJeff over on PlanetNautique to give me a more detailed answer about the lack of a “master code” embedded in the new key pads but he has yet to get back to me. As for your question about using a new uncoded key pad to take a boat you are correct. In fact anyone who owns a Nautique with a key pad could theoretically take the key pad out of their own boat, plug it into a their neighbors Nautique (assuming a model year with the same key pad) and go cruising around the lake. If an unscrupulous character is hanging around your lake it would probably be quicker for him to find a boat with a standard key and just “hot wire” it or tow any boat to a ramp, load it on a trailer and away she goes.
On the serious side, did you happen to get a voltage reading from the red key pad wire after you installed the new battery? Assuming you did and are getting 12.6-12.8 volts that would confirm you have good power. If you are still at around 12.3v at the key pad and your new battery is at 12.6-12.8v that would indicate a wire issue most probably related to the battery cables. Where you able to get voltage at the green and orange wires? Also, since Jeff said the new key pads have no master code I assume they are able to store 3 codes like the original (the originals store the factory installed master code and the user installed primary and secondary code). If that is correct, when all your key pad issue finally get sorted, I would suggest entering the first code with the same numbers as you original master code like the factory did.and use it to be able to erase the other two possible primary and secondary codes. But like I said I and waiting for Jeff’s input as he is more knowledgeable and has experience replacing keypads.
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Jim '06 216
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Skier4life04@gmail.c
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Don't see anywhere to hook one up
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