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scootdogydog
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this isn't the place I'd try to save a buck -- and usually when I can save a buck, I would. If you're purely removing the muffler, you'd need what, 3' per side of 3" copper? ~$200 total? so why try to save $150 on something below the waterline. my $.02
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SNobsessed
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I made a cover frame out of PVC pipe for my Jet Jon. Not only did the material distort badly in summer sun, some of the properly primed & glued joints let go.
Don't know if it is economical, but you could wrap the PVC in epoxy resin-ed glass, then it would be safe. Put in hose clamp bumps while you are at it. |
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74Wind
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Was just something I read once, but it seems plausible in theory. A tennis ball diameter is 2.7 inches, not sure what exhaust tip inside diameter is exactly, maybe wrap in a rag first. Anything would be worth a try to not go down without a fight.
Mine has a transom ladder and no platform so they'd be easy to get to, not sure I'd wanna try it with a platform boat |
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His pipes are 3.5 in and 4 out. He needs a [4"] plug as Tony mentioned.
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How much more resistant to heat are the fiberglass/epoxy components such as the hull hugger muffler, Invertaflo muffler, or in the case of the hull hugger, the fiberglass sections that go from the riser to the muffler? I've already had to replace one of those due to overtightening and probably heat from the PO years ago.
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what does stfu stand for? |
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STFU = Shut The Freak Up. I have seem the word Freak replaced with a more colorful alternative.
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uhm i was being sarcastic ha ha
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Joel, You can NOT compare a thermoset to a thermoplastic. They are two completely different types of non metalics. Go back to your BMW!! It was not heat that busted up your hull hugger. Vibration and a cheap build/poor engineering if you ask me. |
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I respectfully withdraw my earlier suggestion. Got curious & looked this up on US composite site:
9. Do you sell high-temperature epoxy? No. Our marine and commercial use epoxy systems can only withstand temperatures from 150 to 195 degrees. Most high-temperature epoxies on the market will require autoclave or oven cure cycles. |
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Great idea if you are only looking for a test method. NOT a permanent solution. The pvc will fail and boat will sink. The resins used on the exhaust components are different, if you try to patch one of those using standard boat resin, it will not hold together over time. I agree with the idea of if you like how it sounds, spend the money and get the proper setup to avoid a catastrophe. My $.02
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NAUTIQUEjunky
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Well guys this got much discussion as I hoped it would.. I built the y-pipe to see if it would work.. which it did.. will it work without failure?? Probably not! So I've come to the conclusion the added sound and unknowns is just not worth it using this method.. And the PVC has kinda a weird exhaust note .. So the Hull hugger muffler goes back on until I decide to purchase a Centek y-pipe in the future.."
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ScottZ
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Have you thought about gutting the muffler?
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DayTony
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I have a y pipe that might work for you, what exactly are you looking for?
I have this pipe which you could probably modify. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-marine-muffler-XT-TPD-3504-Centek-Industries-1200442-surge-tube-3-/121693132400?hash=item1c5579d670&vxp=mtr |
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That's a great deal. If he's not interested, I might be if it will work on our '92 |
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NAUTIQUEjunky
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That's a 3in on all opening's The rear one would need to be 4in for the outlet.. But if your price is right I could make that one work. |
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NAUTIQUEjunky
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Here's the one I need it's on sale for $128.http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/Centek_Exhaust_System_3_Y_Fitting.html?gclid=CIDfp8OOtccCFY09gQod98cHLw
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Toertel
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So you loose the entire big black bulky muffler over the trans and it gets souder...
Does it also improve airflow? How much louder? |
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Hollywood
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No. The Y-pipes replace the hull hugger muffler, not the invertaflows. You would need downtubes and then a Y pipe for the older boats.
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Toertel
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Would have been nice to have the addded maintenance space for just 120$
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TRBenj
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Starting in '92, all small block PCM's got 3.5" risers, not 3".
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turningpoint84
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Anyone ever thought about "T" off a 1/4" water line from the Cold Water pick up after the RWP and shooting it directly into the PVC pipe a connection?
Just extra insurance? |
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I don't see the problem being as much heat under normal circumstances, the issue is that when the engine experiences an overheat due to lack of water or water problems, you'll overheat the PVC. If you were using the RWP as extra insurance, the problem doesn't go away, you are still relying on the RWP either through the engine or around it. I actually think the bigger problem with PVC is that when you heat cycle it, it becomes brittle. We see condenser water heating systems in our area that have used PVC piping. Standard water temp is 85°-95°F and we have seen many failures due to the brittleness of the piping. Yes, the pipes are 20 years old, but I think vibration, more heat, and exhaust gasses would increase to the degradation rate. I think the OP has a point that getting it all correct as a trial is a fine Idea, but I'm glad to see that a Centek is on order. |
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Just find a local place that does custom exhaust and have them tig up a Y fitting out of stainless.
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NAUTIQUEjunky
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Yeah I already thought of that Paul but I live in a pretty small town up here by Kerr Lake and the muffler shops we have here are deff not gonna tig.. they only have brazing and mig setups which is not detailed enough when looking for water and air tight setups.. And by the time I found and paid someone for there time and materials I could by a Fiberglass y probably |
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DayTony
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I can roll sheet metal and weld something up if you give me some dimensions but out of stainless its going to be more expensive than the fiberglass stuff. can also use aluminum, that would be my choice first because its easier to work with and wouldn't need to be gas backed. either way though I wouldn't be able to do it for any cheaper than the centek pipe.
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JPASS
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Damn |
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ScottZ
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Change out the risers to 3".
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TRBenj
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Or just buy the 3.5x3.5x4 Y pipe instead of the 3x3x4?
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ScottZ
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That too. I missed the 3 1/2 version in the thread.
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