Forums
NautiqueParts.comNautiqueSkins.com - Correct Craft Upholstery and Part
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - PVC y pipe gt40 muffler delete
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

PVC y pipe gt40 muffler delete

 Post Reply Post Reply Page    <123>
Author
scootdogydog View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November-03-2013
Location: Central MA
Status: Offline
Points: 404
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scootdogydog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 11:13am
this isn't the place I'd try to save a buck -- and usually when I can save a buck, I would. If you're purely removing the muffler, you'd need what, 3' per side of 3" copper? ~$200 total? so why try to save $150 on something below the waterline. my $.02
1999 Python
1980 Ski Tique
1968 Mustang WIP
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 11:31am
I made a cover frame out of PVC pipe for my Jet Jon. Not only did the material distort badly in summer sun, some of the properly primed & glued joints let go.

Don't know if it is economical, but you could wrap the PVC in epoxy resin-ed glass, then it would be safe. Put in hose clamp bumps while you are at it.    
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
74Wind View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: August-02-2011
Location: Georgia
Status: Offline
Points: 2101
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 74Wind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 11:31am
Was just something I read once, but it seems plausible in theory. A tennis ball diameter is 2.7 inches, not sure what exhaust tip inside diameter is exactly, maybe wrap in a rag first. Anything would be worth a try to not go down without a fight.

Mine has a transom ladder and no platform so they'd be easy to get to, not sure I'd wanna try it with a platform boat
1974 Southwind 18
1975 Century Mark II
Back to Top
Hollywood View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: February-04-2004
Location: Twin Lakes, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 13512
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 11:38am
His pipes are 3.5 in and 4 out. He needs a [4"] plug as Tony mentioned.
Back to Top
M3Fan View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: October-22-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3185
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M3Fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 12:22pm
How much more resistant to heat are the fiberglass/epoxy components such as the hull hugger muffler, Invertaflo muffler, or in the case of the hull hugger, the fiberglass sections that go from the riser to the muffler? I've already had to replace one of those due to overtightening and probably heat from the PO years ago.
2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel
2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI
https://forum.fifteenoff.com




Back to Top
peter1234 View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: February-03-2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2756
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peter1234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by baitkiller baitkiller wrote:

Originally posted by peter1234 peter1234 wrote:

cpvc cement is for cpvc.. please dont give bad advice. solid core pvc is generally rated for 180 deg but i would never use is (lowes home depot sells foam core) foam core is not for exhaust either i guess you could try sch 80 but it is only really used for 95 + venting exhaust on newer high eff heating /Hw systems .. i completely agree with above posts   dont trust the pipe dont trust the joints and def dont trust the glue..


Bad advice? Jesus H Christ what the hell is wrong with you? You allergic to sarcasm or so wrapped up in plumber tech you cant see over the sprinkler heads? STFU

what does stfu stand for?
former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
Back to Top
Jonny Quest View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: August-20-2013
Location: Utah--via Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 2865
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jonny Quest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 6:57pm
STFU = Shut The Freak Up. I have seem the word Freak replaced with a more colorful alternative.
Current
2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited

Previous
2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow
1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow

Aqua skiing, ergo sum
Back to Top
peter1234 View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: February-03-2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2756
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peter1234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 7:33pm
uhm i was being sarcastic   ha ha
former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41040
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

How much more resistant to heat are the fiberglass/epoxy components such as the hull hugger muffler, Invertaflo muffler, or in the case of the hull hugger, the fiberglass sections that go from the riser to the muffler? I've already had to replace one of those due to overtightening and probably heat from the PO years ago.

Joel,
You can NOT compare a thermoset to a thermoplastic. They are two completely different types of non metalics. Go back to your BMW!! It was not heat that busted up your hull hugger. Vibration and a cheap build/poor engineering if you ask me.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 8:29pm
I respectfully withdraw my earlier suggestion. Got curious & looked this up on US composite site:

9. Do you sell high-temperature epoxy?

No. Our marine and commercial use epoxy systems can only withstand temperatures from 150 to 195 degrees. Most high-temperature epoxies on the market will require autoclave or oven cure cycles.
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
marlo14 View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: February-08-2014
Location: Illinois
Status: Offline
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marlo14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2015 at 9:52pm
Great idea if you are only looking for a test method. NOT a permanent solution. The pvc will fail and boat will sink. The resins used on the exhaust components are different, if you try to patch one of those using standard boat resin, it will not hold together over time. I agree with the idea of if you like how it sounds, spend the money and get the proper setup to avoid a catastrophe. My $.02
Back to Top
NAUTIQUEjunky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-17-2010
Location: Henderson NC
Status: Offline
Points: 210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NAUTIQUEjunky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 1:06am
Well guys this got much discussion as I hoped it would.. I built the y-pipe to see if it would work.. which it did.. will it work without failure?? Probably not! So I've come to the conclusion the added sound and unknowns is just not worth it using this method.. And the PVC has kinda a weird exhaust note .. So the Hull hugger muffler goes back on until I decide to purchase a Centek y-pipe in the future.."
1977 MasterCraft Stars&Stripes
1994 Ski Nautique
2000 Super Air Nautique
1986 Ski Nautique 2001
1999 Sport Nautique gt40 current








Back to Top
ScottZ View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: January-20-2004
Location: Clanton, AL
Status: Offline
Points: 1144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ScottZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 1:33am
Have you thought about gutting the muffler?
Scott Zuelzke
Lake Mitchell , AL
       
1984 Ski Nautique       
1972 Skier
Back to Top
DayTony View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: June-30-2013
Location: Salem MA
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DayTony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 2:18am
I have a y pipe that might work for you, what exactly are you looking for?
I have this pipe which you could probably modify.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-marine-muffler-XT-TPD-3504-Centek-Industries-1200442-surge-tube-3-/121693132400?hash=item1c5579d670&vxp=mtr
1988 Barefoot nautique-454
Back to Top
JPASS View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-17-2013
Location: Orlando
Status: Offline
Points: 2283
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JPASS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 8:50am
Originally posted by DayTony DayTony wrote:

I have a y pipe that might work for you, what exactly are you looking for?
I have this pipe which you could probably modify.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-marine-muffler-XT-TPD-3504-Centek-Industries-1200442-surge-tube-3-/121693132400?hash=item1c5579d670&vxp=mtr


That's a great deal. If he's not interested, I might be if it will work on our '92



'92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique
Back to Top
NAUTIQUEjunky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-17-2010
Location: Henderson NC
Status: Offline
Points: 210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NAUTIQUEjunky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:08am
Originally posted by DayTony DayTony wrote:

I have a y pipe that might work for you, what exactly are you looking for?
I have this pipe which you could probably modify.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-marine-muffler-XT-TPD-3504-Centek-Industries-1200442-surge-tube-3-/121693132400?hash=item1c5579d670&vxp=mtr


That's a 3in on all opening's The rear one would need to be 4in for the outlet.. But if your price is right I could make that one work.
1977 MasterCraft Stars&Stripes
1994 Ski Nautique
2000 Super Air Nautique
1986 Ski Nautique 2001
1999 Sport Nautique gt40 current








Back to Top
NAUTIQUEjunky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-17-2010
Location: Henderson NC
Status: Offline
Points: 210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NAUTIQUEjunky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:12am
1977 MasterCraft Stars&Stripes
1994 Ski Nautique
2000 Super Air Nautique
1986 Ski Nautique 2001
1999 Sport Nautique gt40 current








Back to Top
Toertel View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: August-26-2013
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 775
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Toertel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:24am
So you loose the entire big black bulky muffler over the trans and it gets souder...
Does it also improve airflow? How much louder?
1994 Sport Nautique
Back to Top
Hollywood View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: February-04-2004
Location: Twin Lakes, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 13512
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:41am
No. The Y-pipes replace the hull hugger muffler, not the invertaflows. You would need downtubes and then a Y pipe for the older boats.
Back to Top
Toertel View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: August-26-2013
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 775
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Toertel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:46am
Would have been nice to have the addded maintenance space for just 120$
1994 Sport Nautique
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 10:58am
Starting in '92, all small block PCM's got 3.5" risers, not 3".
Back to Top
turningpoint84 View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: September-11-2008
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Status: Offline
Points: 1467
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote turningpoint84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 12:40pm
Anyone ever thought about "T" off a 1/4" water line from the Cold Water pick up after the RWP and shooting it directly into the PVC pipe a connection?

Just extra insurance?
Proud 1968 mustang owner and now
1970 Mustang
Back to Top
Dreaming View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: May-21-2010
Location: Tacoma, WA
Status: Offline
Points: 1870
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dreaming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by turningpoint84 turningpoint84 wrote:

Anyone ever thought about "T" off a 1/4" water line from the Cold Water pick up after the RWP and shooting it directly into the PVC pipe a connection?

Just extra insurance?


I don't see the problem being as much heat under normal circumstances, the issue is that when the engine experiences an overheat due to lack of water or water problems, you'll overheat the PVC.   If you were using the RWP as extra insurance, the problem doesn't go away, you are still relying on the RWP either through the engine or around it.    I actually think the bigger problem with PVC is that when you heat cycle it, it becomes brittle.   We see condenser water heating systems in our area that have used PVC piping.   Standard water temp is 85°-95°F and we have seen many failures due to the brittleness of the piping.   Yes, the pipes are 20 years old, but I think vibration, more heat, and exhaust gasses would increase to the degradation rate.   I think the OP has a point that getting it all correct as a trial is a fine Idea, but I'm glad to see that a Centek is on order.    
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4117
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 2:17pm
Just find a local place that does custom exhaust and have them tig up a Y fitting out of stainless.
Back to Top
NAUTIQUEjunky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-17-2010
Location: Henderson NC
Status: Offline
Points: 210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NAUTIQUEjunky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

Just find a local place that does custom exhaust and have them tig up a Y fitting out of stainless.

Yeah I already thought of that Paul but I live in a pretty small town up here by Kerr Lake and the muffler shops we have here are deff not gonna tig.. they only have brazing and mig setups which is not detailed enough when looking for water and air tight setups.. And by the time I found and paid someone for there time and materials I could by a Fiberglass y probably
1977 MasterCraft Stars&Stripes
1994 Ski Nautique
2000 Super Air Nautique
1986 Ski Nautique 2001
1999 Sport Nautique gt40 current








Back to Top
DayTony View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: June-30-2013
Location: Salem MA
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DayTony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 4:40pm
I can roll sheet metal and weld something up if you give me some dimensions but out of stainless its going to be more expensive than the fiberglass stuff. can also use aluminum, that would be my choice first because its easier to work with and wouldn't need to be gas backed. either way though I wouldn't be able to do it for any cheaper than the centek pipe.
1988 Barefoot nautique-454
Back to Top
JPASS View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-17-2013
Location: Orlando
Status: Offline
Points: 2283
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JPASS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-19-2015 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Starting in '92, all small block PCM's got 3.5" risers, not 3".


Damn

'92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique
Back to Top
ScottZ View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: January-20-2004
Location: Clanton, AL
Status: Offline
Points: 1144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ScottZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-20-2015 at 12:08am
Change out the risers to 3".
Scott Zuelzke
Lake Mitchell , AL
       
1984 Ski Nautique       
1972 Skier
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-20-2015 at 12:16am
Or just buy the 3.5x3.5x4 Y pipe instead of the 3x3x4?
Back to Top
ScottZ View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: January-20-2004
Location: Clanton, AL
Status: Offline
Points: 1144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ScottZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-20-2015 at 12:57am
That too. I missed the 3 1/2 version in the thread.
Scott Zuelzke
Lake Mitchell , AL
       
1984 Ski Nautique       
1972 Skier
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page    <123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC