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john b
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I just got in from the garage after buffing for about 8 hours tonight, thanks to the new Black Keys album. During intermissions this kept going through my head:
The gardener plants an evergreen Whilst trampling on a flower. I chase the wind of a prism ship To taste the sweet and sour. The pattern juggler lifts his hand; The orchestra begin. As slowly turns the buffing wheel In the court of the........aw, you know the rest. I'm trying to decide on upholstery patterns. Neither the brochures nor the diaries are of much help. I have seen Gary's but don't remember the front bucket pattern, I like his back seat choice. I have photos of two Mustang interiors, one that is almost a twin to mine that I believe to has the original brown skins on the front seats, the other is a Mustang I looked at in Gulfport MS prior to buying mine. The owner said he recently had the seats upholstered to look like the originals, whicht were shot. Can anyone shed more light on original upholstery patterns? Christine's doesn't offer them so I might have to just punt on this. The rear seat on the brown interior has been re-upholstered. Mine came with a blue-gray interior. The front seats had been replaced, but it is possible the rear seat and the motor cover pad are original. I wouldn't bet on it though. The bottom cushion of the rear seat has velcro on the leading edge that affixed to a velcro strip on the bottom of the seat frame. I have a hunch they were not built like this. Mine is the last of the three. |
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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Gary S
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Greg you won't be sorry,I think they add something like 100hp
Not cheap and I'm not sure they always have them,John will know he was looking to get some. |
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john b
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I like those and had considered them and the aluminum intake from H/M, but I have decided to go original with this engine. If I get a wild hair after I finish the boat I may go that route and build my spare H/M engine core.
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NCH20SKIER
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'05 206 Limited
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Gary S
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Nice
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john b
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They are really nice, I'm so happy! 53% craftsmanship, 62% magic. |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
Looks like more of Dales great work! |
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john b
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I just got back in town and opened my box from Dale at Kocian Instruments. I am VERY pleased with the results. The hourmeter is still set where it left off as requested. I believe it may be correct as it was still working when I bought it but the lens was so cloudy the owner didn't know what it was. He is finishing up the other gauges and I hope to have them soon. I would be tickled if the boat could run that Airguide off scale, but that may be optimistic.
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john b
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I would like to satisfy myself that a standard distributor cap and a crab cap are interchangeable and require no modification to the distributor. I am sending my spare in to be converted to electronic ignition and would be disappointed to find that they have any differences upon receiving it back.
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Gary S
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I think the only way to get any answers, you will need to get the casting numbers off them. I think they are in an area under the intake manifold so you won't know until you take it apart----
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john b
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Curious about the heads on my spare 69 H/M 2V 210 HP engine after reading Greg's "71 Mustang followed me home" thread, I pulled the valve cover again and checked. It has the same 302 heads as my 70 4V version. I was also reminded that the 69 2V had 10.5:1 CR while Greg's 71 is 9.5:1. Possibly a difference in years and the addition of the 351 heads for the slightly bigger valves? They are rated at the same 235HP. I may never figure this out but I will keep trying. I suspect the heads on mine may be original but can't be sure.
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john b
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Good times today. Hollywood stopped by unexpectedly. I got to show him the old boat. I'm sure he left thinking "better you than me" and " I expected something nice" when he saw how much work is ahead of me.
I got a few minutes to look at the boat today. I found some interesting cryptic information on the engine. A tag on the starboard head, shown below. I pulled the valve covers again for a good head exam. It revealed little. The heads are clearly 302s but surprising to me, they have CF (Cleveland) casting marks. They also have a large E and a small 9C14 cast into them, but I have no idea what the significance is. All I have been able to find is an unsubstantiated claim on some Mustang car sites is that it's a small chamber head, which would account for the higher compression, other than that I don't think there is anything special about the head.. Does anyone have any opinions? |
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Morfoot
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Gary......If you EVER get tired of that sound I'll be happy to take that loud obnoxious noise of a boat OFF your hands. |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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jbear
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+1 Gary & the Mrs must be having a ball in the Keys.....so to speak. john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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john b
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Even worse than a Monday, Kirk. According to a piece of scratch paper that was in a folder of old receipts that came with the boat it was born on 03/21/70, a Saturday, and they only worked half a day.
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dochockey
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Uh John that's was just a mistake must have been a Monday work day
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john b
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Rather than hijacking Kirk's Project 69 Mustang thread further, I am posting the photos of how my sight gauge was blocked off. It may be a bit crude, but it doesn't look bad. It was very easy to do, not as easy as not drilling the hole in the first place, but easy compared to repairing the unnecessary hole.
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Gary S
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I really need to have some drinks with you miscreants some day soon. Chris fit right in, you guys cant be THAT much worse.
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Jesus was a bare-footer.............
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Hollywood, that quote just made my day, THANKS!
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Hollywood
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Gary S
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There is,at WFO,a strange bbbrrraaapppp ing sound that I noticed when driving. That was the main reason I put the mufflers on,I'm sure it's combination of the manifold type and size of the outlets. The mufflers smoothed the sound out but did not cut the noise much. When behind the boat all is quite till it planes off and the tips come out which is actually a awesome sound.
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TRBenj
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The tone doesn't change much, and you can't really notice the difference from the drivers seat. Skiing behind the boat or hearing it from shore (especially going away from you) is where you'll really notice it! |
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john b
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I know about the exhaust note. When I started it in the driveway my gearhead neighbor across the street came running over to see what I had, followed closely by another neighbor. The youtube of it running in the driveway doesn't begin to share the experience since it was taken with a cell phone camera. The audio just doesn't come through like it does in person.
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Riley
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As far as tone and loudness goes, I don't think the SS tubes made much, if any difference on our boat.
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TRBenj
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John, that's certainly a viable approach, but I would expect the materials and labor to set you back ~3x the cost of hose. That's a lot of coin for something that you won't be able to see much of- and I do think the hose (or at a minimum, a hose and a set of 90* elbows) would get the job done. The latter is what we did on the BFN. I have 3-4' of hose on each side of my '90 too.
I also agree that adding all that metal to the exhaust track will be a bit raucous. You won't notice it much from the drivers seat though! I'm hardly one to complain about exhaust noise, just giving you fair warning. The HM's weren't quiet boats to begin with! |
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john b
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Yea, well, uh, I won't be making the measurements or fabricating the system so there's that.The downward angle is only necessary to allow the pipe to drop several inches to easily get the hump hose on and off of the risers. Ant you have a good idea. A hose clamp could be used to attach a spacer to the pipe.
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Hollywood
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Holy *************** that will be LOUD. I don't think you need any flat stock welded to the bottom. Metal strap any necessary support on and go. The downward angle is also totally unnecessary. Nothing wrong with your plan it'll work great but would take me a week to make all the needed measurements. Could you physically remove the pipes with the engine in place when you go to muffle it later? Ha. I'm fine with burgers and beers.
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john b
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I would love to host a Chicago Beers meeting here but it will be hard to do before February. It doesn't have to be a "hands on" meeting unless you want to get your hands on something from the grill. I do barbecue meetings for my car club here now and then.
Maybe I'm not being clear about what I would like to do with the exhaust system. My somewhat demented mind envisions a stainless steel one piece 3" pipe for the whole run from the risers to the tips, connected only by a hump hose at the riser and one at the SS exhaust tips for vibration resistance. I believe it would be nice to incorporate a piece of flat stock welded to the bottom of the pipe just behind the radius nearest the risers to allow a block of wood or other material to be slipped in and screwed to the flat stock and resting on the hull so the weight of the water filled pipe will not be hanging from the hump hose. This design would allow the block to be removed, dropping the pipe a couple of inches to slip the hump hose connection on and off of the riser. It would also give a slight rearward pitch to assist in draining the pipe. The connections at the riser and tip would be the only connections in the one piece system. I can't imagine how you could make a simpler system or one with less restriction. This system would simplify an engine swap in the event I decide to go to "plan 9" and resurrect the spare engine in the future. I may "go rogue" with this plan. |
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