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I only will have one amp apx480 with 4 6.5 speakers with a small 8" powered sub. that's it I have no plans of playing music any louder than this. I'm already hard of hearing from all these years being a DJ. Thers is no way a wakeboarder behind my 88 duals will ever hear the music. The music is more for the people in the boat to enjoy.

whats the easiest way to determine how many amps my current alternator is putting out. should I remove it have it bench tested it's not the orginal Alt looks like it was upgraded the orignal regulator is no longer on the rear of the engine.

I'm not getting bored only informed thanks alot.
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I can't keep up.... I was hoping to dump a powered sub under the passenger seat, and another back next to the gas tank behind the real seat... I am not cutting any original fiberglass but the whole interior including the floor will be custom so I am hoping to be able to design everthing in somewhere. I hope to save the floor space under the bow as I put a lot of stuff up there currently and dont have any other space... a 1967 mustang is really a tiny boat. Because its so tiny and my friends are so big it is the wettest boat I have ever had so I am trying to keep everything audio marine for the first time in my life. Luckily it being the off season I have been nowhere near list price on anything yet... the Jbl ms920s were 80 a pair from overtons, I got a decent sony marine deck (cdx-f50m) that plays mp3s for 115, and I found the clarion amp for 130, not bad for new marine stuff I thought.. didnt like the scuba tank looking sub though too reminicent of cheap automotive bazooka tubes that did nothing but buzz the trunks of every camaro in the eighties.. the art to most of this is definitely going to be fitting everything into the boat...
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Tony got a part number for the alternator?
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I will pull it off tommorow and look skidim told me it was a newer model for the fact it had I believe a green wire coming from it.
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I would say whats on it is a 51A alternator.
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This thread has me thinking about my future requirements, so a couple of questions.

I would like to relocate the batery forward in the boat up under the dash forward of the center console (its a barracuda ss). this would free up storage space under the passenger seat which is currently occupied by the battery. Yes Joe, these boats are tiny.
Do you see any problems with this?, I'll probably be doubling the length of the cables, should I go up a size? 79, what is the physical size of the battery which you describe, I would like to fabricate the new battery box big enough to fit a very good battery.

I will be adding a stereo to the boat, what problems will I have? The engine, ignition, and alternator, all appear to be stock 1965 technology, will I have interference problems?

I would like to mount the speakers in semi stealthy locations, again there is almost no room, I am thinking about the foot kick panel for the driver and passenger could hold a pair of 6 1/2 or 7's and If I reshaped the seat angle on the back seat, I could get a pair of 6 x 9's into the vert. surface of the seat bottom of the rear seats. The side panels have very little room behind them to hold a speaker, maybe 1 3/4" at the top and less as you get near the floor.

I would like to mount a small amp and an xm compatable head unit in the dash, I don't want a radio sticking out of the dash, so I'm going to hide them in a glove box, I found a 63 corvair glove box on ebay that will look period correct, (I know, they didn't come with glove boxes, but I won't tell anyone)I'll have to move the clock over by the other instuments and mount the Barracuda emblem on the glove box door, but when I'm done it will look like it's always been there.

Any suggestions on a head unit and amp?

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Do you really want to cut up the dash??? hope not but I'm sure it will look good when your done. I have seen radio enclosures that you can mount under the dash or under a seat and if you get a marine spec radio, most have a wired remote pad that you can surface mount at the rear and another at the helm so all you would have to worry about is loading CD's.

For the battery what I'm using is pretty big it's size is a group 32, most come with a group 24 battery. Most deep cycles that you see on the BASS boats are group 31. I would suggest getting a battery box for the size you want to use and go from there. Depending on how long the cable is going to be will drive the size some, but the harder part is getting it in the length you need. I had mine custom made to order out of 2/0 cable. I think one was 8' and the other was 10', best twenty bucks I've spent. Most are 2 gage or thinner and only 4'-6' long on the online stores so your going to be on your own finding them. If you hook up the amp and radio's power leads directly to the battery you'll ellimanate most of the noise and upgrading to electroinc ign and suppression wires (if not done already) and you should be good to go.
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Yes, I really think that I'm going to cut a hole in the dash, I know, I know, but as I said, it will look like its always been there when I'm through, Its more about space and function than anything else, I want to keep the vintage look of the boat and improve its usefulness, I'm going to add a swim platform on the back just for more room and function, remember these boats are tiny and with the SS you basically lose another seat and interior room as well.
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I am going to have nightmares tonight. This thread has scarred me for life.

Maybe rather than cutting a hole in your dash you should consider holding your radio in your hands while you drive around. That is how I do my speedo. After a while you get good at it and your riders will eventually stop asking you about it - take my word for it.

If it works out let me know - I'll get a radio too!
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Jim,

Everytime you start talking about holding your speedo in your hand while driving the boat, I get an image that has me scarred for life. This has to stop. BKH
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BKH; This is scary, I had the same image. I have been lost for a day or two anyhow on this post but now I'm really scarred. But as far as the radio goes, I think I have one in my boat but I never use it. Something about a boat to loud. OOpppS, I think thats a different post.

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I'll post a pic. (There will be a black square in front of my face.)
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PLEASE J_I_H; no pics, don't think I'd ever recover.

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IS RIGHT THE BATTERY HAS TO MATCH THE ALTERNATOR.THE REASON ALTERNATORS CHARGE INSTANTLY WHEN THE BATTERY CALLS TO KEEP THE VOLTAGE AT 100%,
YEARS AGO GENERATORS RAN CONSTANTLY WHEREAS IT CHARGED THE BATTERY SLOWLY AND COULDN'T KEEP THE VOLTAGE UP AS NEEDED.
TO OVER CHARGE THE WRONG BATTERY IT WILL BE SHORTLY LIVED.
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You are still kick'n we haven't heard from you in awhile. Are you tired of the rain yet? it collapesed a roof over by my girl friends place.
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Ok took old alternator off still works fine emailed photo to Vinnie at skidim he told me it's a 40 amp alternator. Question is will it support the use of the clarion APX480 amp pushing 4 speakers hooked up to seperate battery or would it be much better just to put on the 51amp need advice guys.

Thanks for all the replies to this thread it's been very informative to say the least alot of rocket scientist out there.
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Bill post a picture when you get it finished so we know who to chear for when we're at the races.
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Ok, Sorry to bring this thread up again, but I don’t know where to start. Not a electrical guy. With our new 94 SN, it has a stock Alternator, I believe the stock stereo amp, a new CD player head unit and 4 stock speakers. I believe it(alternator or battery) are not putting out enough power. The ignition beaker needs to be on for anything to work first, if the blower or auto bilge is on then the stereo does not have enough power to turn on. If these things are turned off then it will work. Also while motor is running all things will work. Push the horn and stereo goes off, or the bilge comes on, stereo goes off.

Please let me know what I can do to eliminate this. I need help. I not trying to have a 500 watt stereo blaring while we are running but just trying to enjoy a few tunes while out on the lake…..I have 3 or 4 teenagers in the boat all the time so the stereo is a necessity.
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Die thread, die.
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Thanks for such great help...
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Maybe if you start a new thread people will be all over it to help you.
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