Last night's speech.
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Topic: Last night's speech.
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Subject: Last night's speech.
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 12:09am
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Soo... I figure someone would have asked already. What did you all think?
I wasn't sold since I learned more about what is being done from the Discovery Channel's "Disaster in the Gulf" documentary. |
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Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 11:35am
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I haven't been watching or have taken the time to hear anything this idiot....Ooop... I mean President has to say. I'm sure it's all W's fault anyway. Counting the days til his outta there! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 6strings
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 11:54am
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Morfoot, you remind me of how I probably sounded when W was pres. ------------- "...gotta keep rockin' while I still can..." |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 12:00pm
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Good summary here.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/06/obama-speech-react.html - LA Times: There's a pipe spewing a gazillion gobs of oil into the gulf so lets build more windmills ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 12:15pm
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Just another datapoint why senators typically make lousey executives. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 12:19pm
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Do Not Get The La. Boy Goin' ........................... ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 12:31pm
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Are they going to shut the oil rigs down for 6 months? Billy, you think they can convert those rigs to wind power? Seems like they could put a giant turbine on each rig. ------------- |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 1:07pm
I hate him more than ever.. Can not wait till November and we can regain our country back!! And they trying to compare Bush to Obama with Katrania versus the gulf.. Oh well just hang on till then..  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 1:09pm
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Goverment told him to "Drill Baby", "Drill Baby"!! Even when they saw the gurgle.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 1:11pm
Here you go, maybee this cheer up? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtqUNEKXdg ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-17-2010 at 1:13pm
There next plan was to sink a bunch of ol boats to keep it away from LA.. Dumb asses!  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: June-18-2010 at 2:23am
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I guess everything will be O.K since BP ponied up 25 billion. Really.... who decides what is a valid claim and what is not?
It sounds good for the cameras but in reality it will be a total nightmare. |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: June-18-2010 at 2:42am
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Next speech he gives take a drink for every time he says any of the below.
"Let me be clear" "Comprehensive Reform" "Working Families" "Some may say" "Workers" "I am totally committed" "Make no mistake" "Long before I took office" "Inherited" "Take on big (insert industry)" "Must act..." |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-18-2010 at 10:06am
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i did hear they are going to try putting a wedding band around the pipe, for sure then it wont put out ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-18-2010 at 11:44pm
I am in for that.. But you are forgetting one... "I am tired" ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
DeepCreekNauti wrote:Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-19-2010 at 12:15pm
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Recent editorial: Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur
The world is starting to see this. Unfortuntely only about 48% of us saw this before November 08. The man brought nothing to the table. He had never run anything, how did people think he could run a country. The enamored press dismissed his lack of experience, his association with Chicago thug politics, reverend Wright, and an admitted terrorist. The press and an uninformed electorate was bamboozled by empty teleprompted speeches about hope and change. Of course Sarah Palin, a successful governor was imminantly unqualified to even be VP. And now we are paying the price. Even his moonbat girlfriends Olbermann and Chris "thrill up my leg" Mathews turned on him earlier this week. We are in trouble unless the houses turn over in November and until he receives his dishonorable discharge in 12. Till then all we can do is hold on tight and hope he doesnt destroy and spend our country beyond repair. What a horrific mistake. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-19-2010 at 12:33pm
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it was him or MCcain, and as Bin Laden stated he is the same kinda Moron as Bush, and what happened is exactly what I wanted to happen....make your country go broke just like i did with Russia....btw, they kicked Russia's ass to.
If MCcain was the Pres, his biggest adviser would be Bush and neither one of those knuckleheads would do whats best for the country...they started the snowball and threw in a blackman and he is taking the sht for it, Having Obama in there (which I am in no means a big fan of his) merely broke up the Monopoly in Washington. to this day, there is no reason to be in Afghanistan burning up billions, there was no reason to go after Saddam, that country is still in turmoil and will be 10,000 years from now....I really think things were better over there with Saddam in power, he wasn't even a household name until he stepped into Kuwait to control oil, we find excuses to go into other countries to cause turmoil, as with the towers, Bin Laden knew that would pull us into a situation and cause disruption over here. as i said before they tried bringing the towers down in 1993 and Clinton had Bin Laden in his cross hairs and was told to back off. Its not always what we think, it always what were programmed to think, we create hate to justify a situation. I think when all is done and said this oil problem is going to bankrupt BP ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-19-2010 at 2:25pm
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How come we get cap and trade when what we need is cap the well? The guy sure knows how to rape a crisis. Eric, how many trannys will wear out with 7$ a gallon gas? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: rithmetic man
Date Posted: June-19-2010 at 9:36pm
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I happened to read a brief on CNN the other day about Obamas speech which stated that it was written at a 10th (about 9.8) grade level which would probably preclude most Americans from understanding the concept of the speech. As stupid as that sounds, it is in line with what I worked with in a high school math class everyday where everything was written at about a 7.5 vocabulary grade level. The irony for me was that after 35 years in a classroom I never had a father complain to me personally about how hard the work was for their child, mothers were horrible for trying to protect their children from a less than excellent grade, and more than not administration gave in to change the grade. I was never surprised at how we graduated children who could not read after trying to please these mothers who wanted their children to feel good about themselves rather than be educated. ------------- "Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid...Pilgrim..." John Wayne 1965 Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 12:16am
Some people just dont know politics.. Obama's is screwed in November.. He is "Truely" a Muslim and a progressive leader with the goverment. Listen to his speeches, and he can not even handle this oil spill in the gulf. Pushed that un-constiutional health reform on us, is tring to reface America and Wallstreet, fuk em... Democrats that work this way, there economic solutions to fixing a hole in the ground, or how they think is "sickening"!!! 
Pretty sad when his own party knows he is a damb crook, with that lesbian Peloski, and Harry "Ignorant" Reid.. They couldnt fix a pimple on my rectom for all I know.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 12:21am
BP is done and so is Cameron.. I would have to agree on that.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 12:22am
Yea he is doing great. We are going into a "DOUBLE" Recession..  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 12:48am
| Yet again, he voted present! |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 1:04am
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Wonder why he "Pushes" so much for illegall immagrants into this country. For that vote in November, because that is all he got..
I apologize if I offend anyone but politics and where the world is heading, I feel sorry for my little nieaces. They are screwed,blued, and tattooed if you know what I mean.. He is not a leader!! This liberal bull honkey got to stop.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 12:08pm
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omh, people are adaptable, truck sales, Hummer sales slumped, when gas hit 4 bucks a gallon...you adapt, personally i think gas should be 7.00 bucks a gallon, the demand for oil would decrease and i really think we wouldnt be so waisteful, there is only so much to go around and we depend and defend to ensure the price stays where its at. that 2 bucks a gallon keeps our taxes high because of the paid protection and alliances we have with oil producing countries. we protect and control. everybody answers to somebody no matter how high up the food chain, we protect countries such as Israel and did you ever wonder why?
it seems like there is light at the end of the tunnel and personally i feel things are better than they were 2 years ago ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 1:33pm
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Eric
I can't follow your logic with the $7 gas at $4 it sent the country into recession. Like it or not this country runs on oil shut it down and the country will follow. As for Obama his arrogance is only topped by his incompetence. |
Posted By: PAPA
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 2:35pm
Eric, I have to agree with you on one point. We are definately better off than we were back in 2008 when the market tanked and the depression/recession hit all of our industrys. While things are in no way good, they are off of the bottom that we were at.At my job we have hired workers back and are no longer in a big time money losing situation every month.Don't know who the right man is that can take this country and its people back to where we once were. No matter who is in charge the opposition will always be boisterous. When the next election comes we will make another decision and I hope we keep moving forward. We need to get this country back to work and prosperous again.More money in our pockets means more transmission repairs at your shop. 
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Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 3:04pm
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When the president decided to close Guantamino he said it was complicated. When he took on the recession he said it was complicated, Iran, complicated, Afghanistan, complicated, banking, complicated, the auto industry, complicated, healthcare, complicated, illegal immigration, complicated, the cop and the proffessor ordeal was complicated. Even picking a dog was complicated. Now the oil spill is complicated. We need to give him some simple problems as he can't handle complicated. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 4:13pm
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[QUOTE=eric lavine] omh, people are adaptable, truck sales, Hummer sales slumped, when gas hit 4 bucks a gallon...you adapt,
Yea we adapted, but know things are even rougher. The company I worked for laid me and a bunch others off in March. Well I thought I would find the same pay no probs. Boy, was I wrong.. 
When someone finally chose to call me, 2 months later in May, the best I could find was 12hr.. Now I have to addapt and can not do anything stupid, no extra trips, stay at the house and drink beer and enjoy the LCD television a little more. Cant go to the lake as much anymore.Things are just tough for everyone, and even Companies know have had to cut back on employees, and turn there focus on how they do business differetnly. But a double recission is not what we need. Get everybody working again, and quite trying to say we are doing excellent job creation, cause all this guy has created is goverment jobs. Boy that is gonna do alot for regular business people.  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 8:06pm
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You say double recession? Just wait until the 'Bush Tax Cuts' expire. That is pretty much gonna take a bite out of everyone not just "the rich".
We have a meeting this week with our accountants to see how bad next year is going to hurt. |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-20-2010 at 9:26pm
| At the law suit over the health care bill the Obama lawyers admitted the forcing citizens to buy health care is realy a TAX and therefore constitutional. When the Bush tax cuts expire they say its NOT raising your taxes just no longer giving you a break. So much for the 250k and above only tax increases. The current increase in the economy is only there because of massive stimulus spending look out when this bubble bursts. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 1:11am
I agree Deep Creek.. Some people bash Bush, but after what I have seen, this character here is bankrupting America, and we going in the wrong direction. We in trouble!! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 1:32am
Bull crap! This is all about re-disbuting wealth. Rob the rich and give to the blind. For example, if a small companys or corporation has employees, companies and coporations pay a butt load on your insurance for you to have for you and your family. It will be tons cheaper for small companies and corporations to take the 750 dollar hit per employee than keep you under there insurance. So in addition, you will have to go out and buy and will be forced to buy "Goverment Health Care", or you will be penalized also. Bunch of horse *************** if you ask me. We will all get screwed when this takes affect, not just the rich but all considered. This bastard is making a "lazy"country and making others, such as his Muslim friends and countries, stronger to take over America. We will go bankrupt soon, if we do not fix the econimcal problems and have a pure "Conservative" way of doing things again. The rich will eventually get poorer and there will be no more drive to have the "Dream" we always wanted. Bush did alot of dumb things but did some great things too. Kept this country "free", pure tax cuts for "middle class", and kept spending to a limitied. I could go on and on but as we see, Obama and his agenda, whehther it is from tax cuts, fixing a hole, or generating new policies, he gonna lube you up and take it from you and your family.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: 6strings
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 11:38am
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Skicat, please don't take this personally, but I'd like to suggest that there are more apropriate forums here on the internet for discussing your strong political views. I come here for boating, recreation, knowledge, and general good humor discussions. I'm sorry I started reading this thread.
------------- "...gotta keep rockin' while I still can..." |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 11:59am
You would rather bitch than hit the DELETE .............. You have not been here long enough for us to miss......... GOOD BY ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 12:13pm
It is the off topic section, dont read it if you dont like it, but I think $7 a gallon gas relates to boating very directly, so does another recession. We are currently experiencing another govenment created artificial prosperity. With all the proposed new taxes, corporations and individuals are claiming as much income as possible this year before the new taxes are implemented and the bush tax cuts expire. 2011 will start the next down turn and goverment collections will plumet. Add cap and trade and increased energy costs will further handicap our economy sending more jobs off shore and unemployment will sky rocket. We are being screwed by our own government. Stick your head in the sand if you must but people need to be informed about this so changes can be made, if it is not to late already. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 12:15pm
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Walt, that's why this discussion is under off topic. You don't want to read it then don't. No one is making you. That's what is so special about this site. We can discuss many things other than boats and have many different opions but the common demoninator of us all is our love for Correct Craft's! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 12:53pm
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I noticed Erics far left comment was not a problem for six strings. Typical liberal tactic, silence those you caaan not win an argument with. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-21-2010 at 8:27pm
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Mr Sutton, Mr Moorfoot, and Mr Autio,
Thanks for sticking up for me there. I greatly apperciate it.
I just like to tell it like it is. Some of the "Left wingers" dont like to hear the truth. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-22-2010 at 3:03am
Their minds are made up, stop confusing them with the facts. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-22-2010 at 10:19am
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all i can say is when gas spiked, i went and bought a car that gets 35 miles to a gallon and i re-evaluated things in life, i still owned a boat at the time, and was roughly spending 450.00 a month on gas until i got the high mileage car. it went from a luxury to a necessity and from that day on I viewed a car as a tool to get you from point A to Point b...and to do it as cheap as possible in order to afford gas for the boat, that's adapting, but the mindset was changed as everyone quit driving and you couldn't find a good used car in the 4 cylinder range.
the Europeans should chime in here, sht they are driving 3 cylinder diesels and they're cars must hit and mpg standard of 34 while we only need to hit (i believe) 24...a bit wasteful in my eyes and maybe a touch selfish...but such is life. again, the government can be controlled by our everyday (legal) choices we the consumer make, China will be the leading manufacturer in the world in approximately 1 more year surpassing the US, somebody has to finance our government which is me and you, in the form of what we call a tax, the money has to come from somewhere and since there are no large manufacturers it has to come from me and you...you need money in surplus, not deficit...more is going out than coming in...im fck pissed, i got a bill for 3544.00 for the road they put out in front of my house...it can be paid or assessed over the next 20 years with interest which when done will be 6500.00 out of pocket...you dont think i sit here and bash the government? i do i do i do...but also i do realize taxes should pay for this, but not if you aint got it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-22-2010 at 8:49pm
Yes sir.. They are sweating it like a horror in church.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-22-2010 at 11:40pm
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so the pubby's didnt rape and pillage us for 8 longggggggg years, ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-22-2010 at 11:54pm
Who is pubby's Eric? Speak English bro.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 1:31am
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Oh Eric, You make me wish I could type faster. The one tax you are complaining about(streets) is the one I am the most comfortable with. we need them and have to pay for them.It is the entitilments that are killing us. Why do you think we have no manufactureres to pay taxes? we killed that cash cow by taxing them out of the country to pay for our selfish entitlements. We have some of the most expensive labor in the world, and if we combine that with cap and trade which some say could quadroople our energy costs we will further handcuff our ability to compete in a global economy. Why choose to do that? Our country is blessed with abundant natural resources including fossil fuels.It is only our hyper critical environmentalist lobby that keeps us from using them and forces us off land and into the ocean the ocean depths where disasters like we have now can occur. Do you really want to go to spending under bush? Congress controls the budget. Congeress has been democratically controlled since the early clinton administration if I remember correctly. I will fuelt republicans for not standing up to democrats to control their spending but is is only with thier current near super majority that we get to see how truely ideological and out of control they are. If we give george credit for the entire deficit that was present at the end of his second term, we then have to give Obama credit for where it was after his first year. It Quadroopled. that means he was 32 times as bad as bush ( 4 times bushes 8 year spending in one)And bush did not go out and blow the deficit money, he reduced taxes creating 7 1/2 very prosperous years. It was only the democratically controlled freddie and Fannie that took the economy down and many republicans had warned about that for years. Summation Bush so-so, Obama bad. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 3:25am
| Overmyhead your comments are not over my head. Well said. |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 9:19am
Yes we do. But it's because it's a necessity... We pay three times more for a gallon of gas than you do (made that calculation in another thread in the past), so European car manufacturers spend a lot of R&D to make cars more efficient and faster with smaller engines. Also, environmental laws here in Europe are very strict when it comes to emissions. 80% of all cars over here run on diesel but the emissions are controlled by electronics and special filters, according to emission laws. (BTW, my (to your standards) small 6-Cyl BMW diesel goes from 0-100 KPH (0-60) in 8 seconds and runs 250 KPH (155 MPH)... Fast little car if you ask me. And there are 4-Cyl cars here that leave me standing at the traffic lights LOL
We're also in that category... Which is why a lot of our companies build plants in China... But just my 0.02, global economy is here and is here to stay... No government can do anything about that on it's own. Just a side note... 45% of my gross wages go to taxes, in order to pay (amongst others) the pension fund and the free health care. Free health care exists since several decades over here, so my generation does not know any different... So I have to enjoy driving, boating and all other things (like coming to GL this year ) in life with a small 2050 $ net wage a month...  ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 10:18am
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Bush did start office with a surplus of money, 1.5 trillion and in 8 short years doubled the deficit..so he blew thru that 1.5 and spent another 2... correct me if im wrong,
from his mothers mouth, not my brightest kid, if your going to stand strong for your party, he is included, dont look the other way. 15 billion a month war funds will pay for alot of roads and hungry kids, to put that in perspective, to build an aircraft carrier the cost is roughly 4 billion ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 10:23am
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btw, i maintained for 8 long years, i did not prosper one bit, just made the payments....now lets talk about the good old 90's.
------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 10:38am
I'm really glad you think THIS President is so great. You obviously are seeing something I don't. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 11:11am
I am in the construction industry,Under bush I could work all the overtime I wanted, Last 6 months I am woring an average of 24 hours a week. Lets talk about that. Individual stories do not make up a whole picture. lets look at unemployment rates for those perioids.highest year for bush 5.99. Obama 10 ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 12:32pm
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I think most folks need a Civics class refresher. Anyone remember checks and balances? There are 3 branches of government. Each one is independent and yet dependant on the other. The founding fathers designed our government this way to ensure not one branch becomes to powerful or has all the say. A president is not a supreme leader who gets all he (or she) demands. A president may write the check but it is the congress who signs it. For those who only blame Bush or blame Obama solely for all the spending and entitlements are misguided. Turn off the R & D cable news shows. Presidents come and go but odds are your congressmen has served multiple terms and voted for all this crap under both a republican and democrat President. Congressional term limits are the solution. 2 terms then throw the bums out! |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 2:27pm
Bull honkey weenies Eric.. When Bush left office it was 2.1 trillion dollars. His last year in office he spent greatly on the "War on Ragheads", and got bashed for that. Taxes where low for every class of people, everybody! We where safe from Terorism, and the housing market was destroyed from Mr. Democrat himself "Mr. Bill "Cigar" Clinton, I did not inhale"!! So the bad housing market was not from Bush, but Clinton.
If I had to bash Bush on one thing, he lives in Tx, and most rich wealthy tx boys are in the oil industry. The gas prices where too damb high. I'd rather pay high gas prices, than a President that has gone over writing US citizens and force goverment health care, higher taxes being implemented, re-facing Wallstreet and last but not least, When he went over there and called America "Igorant"!! The deficit when Bush left was 2.1 trillion Obama has been there since end of 08 Deficit know, 10.5 trillion dollars actually I think is more around 13. That's what you call big time spender.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 2:30pm
You da man.. Well said, I mean well said.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 2:40pm
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Eric,
Just watch this bastard President when the "National Anthem" comes on. He doesnt even put his right hand to his chest. He is a damb Muslim!! Where is his birth Certificate? Eric, I hope after reading all this great posts from everyone, you will finally start to see what is going on. I'll take a bad Republican over a good Democrat any day.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 3:52pm
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I think its fair to say nobody will change any minds here. I also think history will show Bush as a pretty good[ not perfect] president and Obama as the worst mistake since Carter.
Remember In November! |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 7:02pm
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I stand with the majority. this guy is a moron.
He's in way over his head. this goes way beyond community orginizing! He makes Bush look like a genuis! (which he's not) ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 9:53pm
Yes sir! Can not wait... See you and MMrs Horse lips with ya...  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: June-23-2010 at 11:13pm
From your ips to God's ears!!! I think anyone running for a seat whether Congress or Senate should have to agree to term limits. Most of these guys marriges haven't lasted two terms. Politics should not be till death do us part. There is a reason why they spend millions to get elected. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 9:52am
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I just did my personals yesterday, sat down with my accountant, i glimmered for 1 minute because i thought to myself, Bush had a good tax plan, but then again the thoughts of moron quickly came back into my head....i really deep down think Hard has it on the nose, special interest groups, corruption, infidelity.
we need to quit playing army in the sand and get back to basics, Haliburton can feed off of the oil spill and make them boys down in Texas even richer ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 11:31am
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Eric
Other than letting the congress spend like a drunken sailor what did bush do that was so wrong? Other than spending 3 times more what has Obama done differently? My understanding is Haliburton is one of only a few companies in the world that does what the do? Would you rather pay a foreign company to do the job? When I took at both presidents and their policies and the word Moron Bush is not who I think of? |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 11:55am
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Ranting about Bush and Haliburton is a sign of "Bush Derangement Syndrome".
Eric, if you think your part of the country is hurting now, be prepared for it to get a lot worse if our government doesn't get the deficit under control. The way we're headed, this country will be so far up side down no one will be able to bail us out. What do you say we sell Alaska to the Chinese for 20 trillion and start with a clean slate? Then have a constitutional amendment that says we can't have a deficit. ------------- |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 1:47pm
hot damb eric! You are a sick person. You need help bro, I can not believe you just said that. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: rithmetic man
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 3:10pm
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I can only wonder when the current president can be man enough to accept his contribution to the mess he has helped create. At some point the excuse of blaming the previous administration for his ineptness gets very, very old. Do you really think you are better off now? Three times the number of soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan than the highest Bush era, unemployment at double digits, current 33% loss in new home sales... it goes on and on. My limited memory seems as though all of this started within weeks of Obama taking office. I had a job before Obama. I have been unemployed since May 2009 and cannot get a job even bagging groceries, I tried. A college degree, N.C. teacher certification in 7 areas, and 35 years in the classroom and I was replaced with a person who was not certified in the area I left teaching math in a course that has 1 state exam that you must pass at a level 3 of 4 to get a high school diploma which you would think would be important. The state did save a few dollars in salary but in the long run the children will suffer the consequences of those decisions and the parents will never know or care that their children were shorted. It really is a sad time in a once great land. ------------- "Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid...Pilgrim..." John Wayne 1965 Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 3:31pm
Great post Wayne! Thats how it these days. And the sad part it is really gonna get worse.
After all his extreme spending it will catch up in the end of this year. I got a job making 50% less than I was in 2008 and 2009. And that is awful when people with even experience, and a degree in there field can not even get a job. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: rithmetic man
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 3:53pm
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All politics aside, I just do not understand how any sane person can view the current situation in the U.S. as anything but negative and counter intuitive to the way of life we had just a short time ago. Just for the sake of argument someone name one good thing that this administration can claim as it own and back it up with a second one to prove that it was not a fluke of chance. I guess I am a little jaded in my own situation but when you have family depending on you and the situation taken out of your hands it is frustrating. ------------- "Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid...Pilgrim..." John Wayne 1965 Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 4:41pm
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they gave me 8K after I bought my house George only came off about 600 and I didn't have to spend any money to get it either wooohooo ya baby. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: rithmetic man
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 5:04pm
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Once you look at where the money comes from it will become evident that all of these programs are paying ourselves at a rate which can never be paid back in our or our childrens lives. Politicians should be proud of this one.
From CNNMONEY.COM BAILOUT TRACKER Troubled ASSET RELIEF PROGRAM Financial rescue plan aimed at restoring liquidity to the financial markets Program Committed Invested Description American International Group * See complete AIG bailout below $70 billion $69.8 billion $40 billion in preferred shares were converted to so-called non-cumulative shares that more closely resemble common stock. Treasury later offered another $30 billion in preferred shares for up to 5 years, in return for a 10% dividend. AIG: Where your money is going Asset Guarantee Program Citigroup Bank of America $12.5 billion $5 billion $7.5 billion $5 billion $5 billion $0 Funds set aside to backstop potential losses to government from Citigroup and Bank of America loans. Auto Supplier Support Program GM Supplier Receivables (paid back) Chrysler Receivables $5 billion $3.5 billion ($140 million) $1.5 billion $3.5 billion $2.5 billion ($140 million) $1 billion Program to help stabilize auto suppliers by guaranteeing debt owed to them for shipped products, and providing financing to continue operations. Parts makers get $5B Automotive Industry Financing Program General Motors(paid back) Chrysler(paid back) GMAC Chrysler Financial(paid back) $80.1 billion $49.9 billion ($361 million) $15.2 billion ($280 million) $13.5 billion $1.5 billion ($1.5 billion) $77.6 billion $49.9 billion ($361 million) $12.8 billion ($280 million) $13.4 billion $1.5 billion ($1.5 billion) Program that provides capital on a case-by-case basis to systemically significant auto and auto-financing companies that are at substantial risk of failure. Restructure or else Capital Purchase Program * See full list of bailed-out banks (paid back) $218 billion ($96.2 billion) $204.7 billion ($96.2 billion) Preferred investments in banks to prop up capital reserves and encourage lending, in return for dividend payments and stricter executive compensation requirements. Counting to $700 billion Consumer and Business Lending Initiative TALF investment Small business loan program TALF loss provisions $70 billion $20 billion $15 billion $35 billion $20 billion $20 billion $0 $0 Programs to support private lending purchases of toxic assets and backing SBA loans. Also sets aside funds to backstop potential losses to government from purchases of mortgage-backed securities and other securities backed by consumer loans. Making Home Affordable * See additional $25 billion component * See full list of participating servicers $50 billion $27.4 billion Multipronged foreclosure prevention plan to help as many as 9 million borrowers by modifying or refinancing loans. Obama launches mortgage rescue plan Public-Private Investment Program $100 billion $26.7 billion Taxpayer funds used in partnership with private investment that will buy up at least $500 billion of toxic assets from financial institutions. Treasury unveils 'bad asset' plan Targeted Investment Program Citigroup (paid back) Bank of America $40 billion $20 billion ($20 billion) $20 billion $40 billion $20 billion ($20 billion) $20 billion Emergency funding, in addition to previous $25 billion capital investments, for Citigroup and Bank of America BofA: $20B bailout Citi dodges bullet Funds paid back ($118.5 billion) ($118.5 billion) New initiatives $172.9 billion n/a TARP total $700 billion $356.2 billion FEDERAL RESERVE RESCUE EFFORTS Financial rescue plan aimed at restoring liquidity to the financial markets. Program Committed Invested Description Asset-Backed Commercial Paper Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility Unlimited $0 million Financing to banks for purchases of three-month asset-backed commercial paper from money market mutual funds to promote money market liquidity. Bank of America loan-loss backstop $97 billion $0 Funds set aside to insure against bank's potential losses from Merrill Lynch merger. Bear Stearns bailout $29 billion $26.3 billion Program to guarantee potential losses on Bear Stearns' portfolio; smoothed the way for JPMorgan Chase to buy the failed investment bank. JPMorgan scoops up Bear Citigroup loan-loss backstop $220.4 billion $0 Funds set aside to insure against bank's potential losses from mortgage-backed securities investments. Commercial Paper Funding Facility $1.8 trillion $14.3 billion Purchases of short-term corporate debt aimed at boosting the struggling market and providing critical three-month financing to businesses. Businesses find alternatives Foreign exchange dollar swaps Unlimited $29.1 billion Exchange of dollars to 13 foreign central banks for collateral. Aim is to provide liquidity to foreign financial institutions. Fed pumps out more dollars GSE debt purchases $200 billion $149.7 billion Program to buy debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Aim is to reduce rates on home loans. Fed bets on consumers GSE mortgage-backed securities purchases $1.25 trillion $775.6 billion Program to buy mortgage-backed securities held by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Aim is to reduce rates on home loans. Money Market Investor Funding Facility $600 billion $0 Programs to help money market funds by lending to funds directly. Primary Dealer Credit Facility n/a $0 Long-time lending facility for commercial banks that was opened to investment banks for first time in March 2008. Term Asset-backed securities Loan Facility $1 trillion $43.8 billion Program to buy consumer loan-backed securities. Aim is to revive the securitization market for consumer loans like credit cards and auto loans. To TALF, or not to TALF Term Auction Facility $500 billion $109.5 billion Lending program that allows commercial banks to unload hard-to-sell assets, including mortgage-backed securities: Fed takes assets as collateral and banks get cash. Why bailout might not work Term Securities Lending Facility $250 billion $0 billion Federal Reserve facility that loans Treasurys to banks against hard-to-sell collateral like mortgage-backed securities. U.S. government bond purchases $300 billion $295.3 billion Federal Reserve will buy up to $300 billion of U.S. debt to support Treasury market and help keep interest rates down for consumer loans. Fed total $6.4 trillion $1.5 trillion Federal stimulus programs Programs designed to save or create jobs and jumpstart the economy from recession. Program Committed Invested Description Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 Rebates for individuals Tax breaks for businesses $168 billion $117 billion $51 billion $168 billion $117 billion $51 billion Refundable tax rebates of up to $600 for individual filers and $1,200 for couples in effort to boost the economy. Businesses also received tax breaks. Senate OKs rebates Unemployment benefit extension $8 billion $8 billion Federal funds to extend benefits for the unemployed. Unemployed? More help for you Student loan guarantees $195 billion $32.6 billion Program to purchase federal student loans from private lenders. Aim is to provide financing to companies that provide student loans. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act Tax relief Stimulus $787.2 billion $288 billion $499.2 billion $358.2 billion $62.5 billion $295.6 billion Infrastructure spending, funding for states, help for the needy and tax cuts for individuals and businesses to stimulate the economy. Stimulus: Now for the hard part Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program $25 billion $8 billion Energy Department loans to help auto manufacturers and parts suppliers create new fuel-efficient vehicles. The funds are awarded through a competitive process to companies that can increase fuel standards at least 25% beyond 2005 levels. Car Allowance Rebate System (“Cash for Clunkers”) $3 billion $3 billion Rebate program that gives car buyers up to $4,500 for trading in qualifying gas-guzzling vehicles if they're buying more fuel efficient cars. Stimulus total $1.2 trillion $577.8 billion American International Group Multifaceted bailout to help insurer through restructuring, minimize the need to post collateral and get rid of toxic assets Program Committed Invested Description Asset purchases Collateralized debt obligation purchases Mortgage-backed securities purchases $52.5 billion $30 billion $22.5 billion $38.6 billion $22.9 billion $15.7 billion $30 billion from New York Fed for purchasing clients’ collateralized debt obligations and $22.5 billion for purchasing clients’ mortgage-backed securities. Bridge loan $25 billion $44 billion Loan to be reduced from $60 billion to $25 billion as government takes shares in AIG subsidiaries and receives cash flows from life insurance policies. AIG must pay 3% plus 3-month Libor rate to government in interest on the 5-year loan. Government stakes in subsidiaries $26 billion $0 Government to hold preferred interest in entities holding all the common stock of American Life Insurance Company and American International Assurance Company, two life insurance holding company subsidiaries of AIG. TARP investment $70 billion $44.8 billion $40 billion in preferred shares were converted to so-called non-cumulative shares that more closely resemble common stock. Treasury later offered another $30 billion in preferred shares for up to 5 years, in return for a 10% dividend. Other $8.5 billion $0 Government giving AIG $8.5 billion and, in exchange, is receiving cash streams from the premiums of blocks of life insurance policies. AIG total $182 billion $127.4 billion FDIC bank takeovers Cost to FDIC fund that insures losses depositors suffer when a bank fails. Program Cost to fund 2008 FDIC bank takeovers $17.6 billion 2009 FDIC bank takeovers * See full list of bank failures $27.8 billion FDIC total $45.4 billion Other financial initiatives Other programs designed to rescue the financial sector Program Committed Invested Description Credit union deposit insurance guarantees $80 billion $0 Temporary guarantee of all corporate credit union deposits above former $250,000 limit. Money market guarantee program $50 billion $0 Treasury program to help money market funds by insuring against losses. Run ends on funds NCUA bailout of U.S. Central and WesCorp credit unions $57 billion $57 billion Cost to NCUA credit unions, with backing of government, to place two troubled credit unions into conservatorship U.S. Central Federal Credit Union investment $1 billion $1 billion Cost to NCUA credit unions, with backing of government, to help troubled credit union cover anticipated losses on asset-backed securities. Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program $1.5 trillion $308.4 billion Guarantees on newly issued bank bonds backed with assets on company balance sheets with maturities of more up to ten years. Aim is to restore liquidity to the corporate bond market and provide long-term financing to banks. FDIC encourages banks to lend Other financial total $1.7 trillion $366.4 billion Other housing initiatives Other programs designed to rescue the housing market and prevent foreclosures Program Committed Invested Description Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout Fannie Mae Freddie Mac $400 billion $200 billion $200 billion $110.6 billion $59.9 billion $50.7 billion Cost to the government of taking the mortgage finance companies into conservatorship. U.S. seizes Fannie and Freddie FHA housing rescue $320 billion $20 billion Funding set aside for insurance of new 30-year fixed-rate mortgages for at-risk borrowers, tax credits for first-time home buyers and assistance to states and municipalities. The other housing rescue Making Home Affordable investment $25 billion $0 $20 billion from GSEs and $5 billion from HUD to help Treasury launch its $75 billion multipronged foreclosure prevention plan. Other housing total $745 billion $130.6 billion Total $11 trillion $3 trillion ------------- "Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid...Pilgrim..." John Wayne 1965 Nautique |
Posted By: rithmetic man
Date Posted: June-24-2010 at 7:31pm
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I sincerely apologize for the extremely long post and I promise this is my last post on this topic. The term billion as in dollars is only 7 letters long and is really impossible to comprehend. The following gives some reference to the term. After reading and comparing to the bail out figures, do you really think we as a nation with a sour economy with no jobs are not in a bit of a crunch?
1. A billion dollars in $1000 dollar bills stacked flat with a single thickness of about 0.0043 in. would be approx. 358.88 ft. or 1.19 football fields tall. 2. A billion seconds ago it was 1976. 3. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive. 4. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age 5. A billion hours is about 114,155.25 years 6. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet 7. A billion inches is 15,783 miles, more than halfway around the earth 8. A billion dollars of the US debt – paying it off by one dollar a second – takes 31 years, 259 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds 9. A billion dollars ago was only 3 hours, at the rate our government is spending it (based on figures from usgovernmentspending.com ) and we’re talking 24 hours a day, 7 days a week – 365 days a year – Congress will spend a little over 8 times that amount every 24 hours every single day in 2008 ------------- "Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid...Pilgrim..." John Wayne 1965 Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:07am
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the crystal ball seen this coming way, way before Obama hit office...he wasnt even a household name yet...did you ever get dug into a hole, its damn hard to get out ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:17am
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the pubs seem to have CRS syndrome,
once in a while i think to myself, maybe he wasn't so bad, but then i click on the old wiping his hand on Clintons shirt trick...you cant spin that one. I'm not putting Obama on a pedestal by any means..Its just a good thing that there isnt a 3 term office or we wouldnt be having this conversation....how would he have handled his mess? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:40am
How to get out of a hole? Making the hole bigger and deeper, is that how you get out? Putting more people in more holes? Does that help? Blame the person that put you in the first hole, is that it? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:49am
We would have the same policies in Irag,afganistan, and gitmo because They have not changed. unemployment would be under six percent if he followed his track record. Spending would be way down,we would not see a sunset on the tax cuts so the economy would be better, and he didnt seem to golf much so maybe he would actually sit down with his oil buddies and figure out how to cap the damn well. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:50am
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Time to start selling assets. Greece just put its islands up for sale. Maybe we should start with Puerto Rico. ------------- |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 10:51am
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[QUOTE=eric lavine] the crystal ball seen this coming way, way before Obama hit office...he wasnt even a household name yet...did you ever get dug into a hole, its damn hard to get out[/QUOTE
you must start to fill the hole at some point. obama is trying to dig us out through china, lots of ironies there. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 6:51pm
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I am even more pissed today. Eric, you get your tax increase survey today. I did, your damb liberals in Washington is raising taxes again, and bringing back the dead tax. Boy he is real good.. You think they *************** gold up there..
I see a 12pk in my future.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-25-2010 at 6:55pm
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I think it is funny when he talks. I dont where he went to college, but his ecnomic thinking, or liberal in general think you spend to get out of debit. That makes you more in debit, with no creation at all. And then raise taxes on top for small business, corporations.. I swear!
You create through the "Private Sector", and allow them to build grow and taxes get paid. True growth! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 10:18am
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we would not be in any better situation if the allmighty was in charge, a big vacuum sucked all this countries cash flow plain and simple, im not college educated but damn i know how to make money and I scanned thru all the approved loans that my wife would do title work on at home and at night 5 years ago in total fckin amazement, yes because of deregulating from a demmy president, and under a repubbys 8 year watch, this stuff going on was certainly illegal and in the back of my mind at the time I thought not much of it. The Laquisha Jacksons making 45k a year were financing 350k for a new house, the Juan Valdez's making 12.00 bucks an hour were taking seconds out for 100k, this was to pay they're intiatial kloans off...Im talking stacks of these approved loans from Fanny and Ameriquest and so and so on...thousands, the company my wife worked for employed 700 at the time just doing title work, so that tells you the volume of bad loans.
all these loans were bundled up as a nice little package and were sold as investments, the ones that your 401's sat in, your retirement plans. at that point these people started falling behind on the payments because there is no fckn way making 45k a year that you could afford to make a 3000.00 a month house payment, thats whe the vacuum began. At this point it trickled down not up, raising inflation, creating unemployment, the banks quit loaning money which is key to a business on credit, and these are the thoughts of the current administration, you have to put money out there whether it be federal or from the private sector to get the ball rolling again...we quit purchasing products made within these walls and keep deflating the cash cow and sending money oversea's the same as writing bad loans. like my local roads here around my house, im being assessed because there is no federal money to pay for the roads even though i pay my taxes, that hits me right in the nuts. federal money had to bail out these bad loans and even the automakers and just flip the coin and think, what would happen if the government didnt bail them out......pretty sad. its no different than going to your mom and dad for a little help when your low on cash...if they didnt give you the money it would change the course of your life, more than likely for the worst ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 11:32am
Eric, you must have a blue tongue from all the demorat coolaid you have consumed. republicans or "bush" would not have spent like our current president, or passed obama care, or proposed new taxes and let tax cuts expire in a recession. Obama created uncertainty and saddled us with finacial obligations that can not be meet by taxing the rich. this is plain as day unless your ideology will not let you see them. You are correct about Freddeie and Fannie but follow the money and the management and it is a 99% democratic in origin. You are also correct about the lack of buisiness money but the origin is from all the pool of money typically available to buisness has been borrowed by the government. We do not have inflation yet. Inflation is to much money chasing to few goods. but it will come when employment improves. Unlesss you live on the interstate your road is the responsibility of the local government. They can asses individuals or raise taxes on everyone and pool the money for street repairs. the result over time is the same. At least you know what this part of your taxes went for. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 6:09pm
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Eric you see the problems but you just cant get over blaming Bush.
Bush had to deal with a democratic congress the faults you describe we passed by them. Bush is GONE how long will you give the present administration a pass.Government works best went both parties are equal in numbers then they will just argue with each other and stop helping us. Without government help the country will flourish. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 7:33pm
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give me one good reason why we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, then i might listen. I dont blame Bush for one minute but i will defend Obama that what is happening is not his fault and you guys finger point like Clinton gets blamed for NAFTA, do yourself a favor and do some more reading on NAFTA....
BTW, our community pool is on the street im being assessed for, maybe i should put a toll road up? I am a Bush basher simply for the reason that young kids are dodging sniper bullets and i dont know why and im looking for that reason. dont come back and say for our countries security....step up to the plate and say whats on your mind. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 7:44pm
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Cause.................
Quit yo bitchin'...... Ya gotta little work going on ????????? Wide open / Bidding a good Aluminum transom repair....... that will consume me till Kristof arrives........... Shop will close for a few days while he is here......... You wanna swap back yards with me Eric ?????? I did not think so.............. Tranny worked fine / thanx for the timely manner ........ ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 8:11pm
Eric, I Think I have been speaking my mind. Cannot say if Afganistan and Irag where the right decisions, to many things presidents know that we dont. I do know Obama said we would get out of both and close gitmo when he was campaining and he has followed Bush's Irag policy, increased troops in afghanistan and failed to close gitmo.Obama must have learned about something when he got into office. I also remember a good general Petraous(no clue how to spell this) being dragged through the mud in conformation hearings under Bush(General betray us). Now he is the best thing since sliced bread to the democrats. How the media can ignore this blatent politicalising amazes me. Where did the NAFTA subject come from and what do I need to know? Just took a college level global buisness class. I think I am kind of up on it. Anything you would like me to explain to you? I also hate to see kids getting shot at. Especially when thier commander in chief wont let them shoot back. Fault? Obahma has been in office and done enough things to claim plenty of fault. We have all been complaining about his fiscal ineptitude, your only rebutal is to change the subject to war and NAFTA? How is Obahma care and bailouts to big buisness, increased taxes and funding ACORN going to end this recession? I read alot of your posts on many subjects, and a great percentage of your ideals are conservative when not discussing politics. I know there is hope for you and that is why I keep trying. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 11:36pm
Yes sir.. People want to keep bashing Bush, thats there only way out to make them or the democrats feel better. Wells said! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 11:46pm
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Well said Dave..
Everyday I find out more stuf on the news. Now because the democrats are dropping like flies and there agenda of bad polcies, rapid spending, Mr Obama himself is doing a "Executive Order", and making 3 million illegal immigrants, US Citizens. WTF? And I got to pay for there ***************.. He needs votes badly, and that may be enough for him to get re-elected. I freeking hope not, he has done enough damage and refacing America, where my grandfathers died for this country. Eric please to listen to us. It is our time to get our country back from the Niger Rich bastards in Washington. Excuse my language, but that what he is. Get a million a week to spend, and was suppose to last and he spend it in 30 minutes. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-26-2010 at 11:59pm
UUUUMMMMMMMMM LET ME SEE ERIC... 09/11/2001 You need to read bro? Them people over there terrorists and think differently than Ammericans. They where promised, and raised to "HATE AMERICANS". Why? We have things they want, oil, money, and they just flat out hate us. It is like a "Pit Bull". They can be raised right, but if you dont they become angry, mean, and can snap at anytime, I mean anytime. If we pull out, what would we do if another 9/11 happened. How would Americans react? I know my fellow rednecks, and skin heads would literally kill every Islamic person, raghead, red dotted forehead Muslim there was. Do you think as a President you take a chance on pulling out on a pit bull like that, or keep them in check! YOU KEEP THEM IN CHECK, LET THEM KNOW WHO WE ARE! America Baby!
We have to stay there because of who they are and what they may or can not do? I feel a hell of alot safer with them there and my fellow troops keeping me safe along with my family too. If you cant see that Eric. Just stick to boats, stay away from polotics because you are ignortant. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-27-2010 at 10:38am
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would'nt it be a little simplier with some precision bombings like we did with Khadafy and Sadaam?
Ski, I think you just snapped, btw, there are 6500 nuclear warheads to protect our country...ready to go at the push of a button. and the planes flew into a building over here not in the dessert.....so we really are no safer, and maybe just maybe they ran into our buildings to create a hate against them????? i wouldnt say i was ignorant, but see things for what they are. funny how we were able to locate Sadaam and his sons and send them a little message. I better stop while im ahead, because i can see the tempers flaring ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: June-27-2010 at 12:22pm
| If you want to end the wars Obama needs to take the gloves off and let our boys do what needs to be done. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-27-2010 at 4:01pm
I think thats best. Score is 10-0... ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 10:18am
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"one must not drink when posting on forums" lol
so I guess were not pissed off at the Japs anymore? ski, some good reading, Feb issue of Rolling Stone, Osama's kid ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 3:50pm
| Wow. I don't mind open discussions or differing opinions, actually I think it's a good thing but skicat2001's racist comments are way out of line. You sir should be ashamed. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 7:49pm
I will have to check it out.. I dont need a drink to get angry when someone can not see the big picture.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 7:51pm
I applogize for the comments. Sorry If I offended you. Next time I will just use NR as the word or as me and my buddy say, "Nigel".. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 8:13pm
We are all racist to one degree or the other... But please do not confuse truth and fact with racism.... Stupidity comes in more colors than black........... Too Old, Too Southern, Too Care about the mess Nigel done got us into now ..... Was that PC enough ? ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 9:15pm
Amen brother.. Amen! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 9:36pm
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Skicat how old are you.....I am 56
I noticed Phosphore did little on his profile.. So I will assume he is 25 single, and living at home with mommy. I worked 35 hard ass years for what Karen and I have. Not one goverment dime used , SBA ,what a joke. We built the first shop with 0 borrowed dollars, How we did this was SAVE, buy purlins with cash.You can pay cash for large ticket items like that. Amazing concept, CASH Do not borrow yourself into SLAVERY........ Sorry for the ramble.........Billy ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: June-28-2010 at 10:07pm
Billey, You are good with me. You have stuck up for me several times, and I greatly apperciate it. I am 34, but I am not a racist but some individuals do not see this Obama character. Damb communist! I was raised by a dad that was in Vietnam with cold water in his veins. Raised me black is black, white is white, brown is brown.. Democrats suk, republicans rock.. And like you said, dad always told me, PAY cash or do with out.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: June-29-2010 at 3:00am
Your ignorance is obvious. As if the only people ever to work hard are just like you who share your same opinions. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-29-2010 at 10:05am
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sometimes one is led to believe things that are not necessarily true, in turn changing the outcome, a good example is this oil problem, its being dropped onto our current man in charges lap and it will spun that way by special interest groups, He has nothing to do with the oil spill except concern....will he make BP accountable, probably but it will tarnish his name also, things like this are the big picture.
it does seem as racism and politics are handed down thru the family tree, in reality we are all walking on foriegn soil, but as history does not dictate the slaughter of 28 million native Americans, small pox infested blankets, 4 million bison slaughtered to get this piece of land...so if anybody should pissed off....dont just read the cover, read the book ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-29-2010 at 10:15am
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btw, I supply my children with the right tools to make up they're own mind on religion and politics and racism, I'm not trying to piss you off but i think I can see your views were handed down from your father. imagine life as being locked up in a room for 30 years and then coming out into a crowd of every different make and model of a person...would you be the strange one or would they? that's innocence and unbiased ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |