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    Posted: October-26-2022 at 9:54pm
Was tinkering with my boat engine and carb today. When the engine idle was set at 600 rpms, the engine would start right up. When the idle was reset to 650 rpms, I had to give it throttle to get it to start.
How do I get it to start with a simple turn of the key with idle set at 650 or 700 rpms? Turn the mixture screws leaner?
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If it starts when set to idle at 600 rpm, that’s because the butterflies are choking off enough air to give a rich mixture with the amount of gas that is pulled while cranking. Setting the idle higher obviously increases the amount of air that gets by the butterflies at idle. The engine needs a rich mixture to start, hence the reason for the choke plate. You definitely don’t want to change the mixture screws to make starting a simple turn of the key. Those should be set to make a warm engine run well, use a vacuum gauge to set them. My first recommendation would be to make sure the choke plate is closing as much as possible and take it as normal to bump the throttle once to start the engine and forget about it. If you want to tinker and don’t mind the possibility of doing something that most wouldn’t then it sounds like you could try to reduce the gap between the choke plate and the air horn to make the mixture a little richer. How do you do that without cutting off to much flow? Good question. No idea if it will have some unintended consequences. You don’t want to add something temporary that could fall off and get sucked into the engine. That’s why I would say just be happy your engine runs well, bump the throttle once when starting, and enjoy.
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I should have clarified. This is with a warm engine so the choke plate is not a factor.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KENO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-29-2022 at 10:24am
Quit fiddling Buck Wink

But since you're fiddling, I'd try a little farther open on the mixture screws as a start.
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I’ve had good luck with starting at 1 1/4  to 1 1/2 open on idle mixture screws (from lightly seated).  Start engine.  Allow engine to attain operating temperatures.  Set curb idle to 650 to 700 rpm.  Then I hook up a vacuum gauge to a full manifold vacuum port.  Then I adjust the idle mixture screws to achieve max vacuum on the gauge.  At that point, I usually richen up the mixture 1/8 to 1/4 turn.  Just the way I do it.  It’s worked well for me.  Your mileage may vary…

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Many thanks!
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Is the boat in the water or on the trailer?
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on the trailer
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Do you have the hull positioned close as if sitting in the water?  If the bow is high or low that could affect the float position.
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Yes. I adjust the trailer jack height. Thanks
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