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ultrarunner 
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 Topic: Trailer HUB FAILURE!Posted: August-20-2021 at 1:26pm |
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You guys are killing me! You know damn well if it had happened at V1, I’m pressing on!
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Jonny Quest
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Posted: August-20-2021 at 12:22pm |
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Was the hub failure at V1 or V2 speed?
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ultrarunner
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Posted: August-20-2021 at 10:49am |
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It’s one of those enrichment-courses buried deep in the catalog!
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Posted: August-20-2021 at 10:40am |
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I didn’t know FSI offered a course on bearing maintenance
Or a course on how to know when your wheel falls off.
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MrMcD
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Posted: August-19-2021 at 12:28pm |
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Looks intact, glad the issue is behind you.
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Gary S
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Posted: August-18-2021 at 9:38pm |
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What an adventure,what relief. Glad everyone is home!
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Posted: August-18-2021 at 9:22pm |
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No kidding. And you're totally right about NJ!
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KENO
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Posted: August-18-2021 at 9:04pm |
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It's about time, I was beginning to think it ended up in a chop shop in New Jersey or something and there'd be a bunch of parts showing up on EBAY
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Posted: August-18-2021 at 9:01pm |
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Hey all you reptiles. Look what showed up in my driveway this morning! Very pretty
 I eject from FSI-ILG mañana por la tarde, so I'll be home by supper to prep it for the weekend. YAY!!!!  |
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Posted: August-10-2021 at 5:11pm |
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I called an audible. Found someone headed northbound so they’re gonna grab it. Saves me 2 days on the road. I’m away at training next week, so it’ll be here when i get home:-)
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KENO
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Posted: August-10-2021 at 4:36pm |
Hey it's next week already You on your way south to grab it? Safe travels if you are
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 3:36pm |
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Sorry I meant cap not hub.
These things https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Bearings-Races-Seals-Caps/Bearing-Buddy/BB2047.html some like them, I didn’t have good luck with them.
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 10:57am |
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What’s a “bearing buddy hub”?
I’ve found bearing buddies to serve very well as high quality hub dustcaps. Can’t say I’ve ever used them to grease a bearing, doing so certainly wouldn’t replace the need for a proper repack, if needed. I’ve had good luck with the Chinese bearings and haven’t had any bearing issues on one that I’ve repacked. Suspect there is something problematic about the method used to service them, considering the premature failure. I would consider seeking some advice on that front. |
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 10:36am |
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Every stop I make I do a trailer walk around with my temp gauge in hand. I never launch when the wheels and hubs are still hot from travel. I have bearing buddies on some trailers,the vault system on another. Carry bearings,seals and caps for trips except for the trailer with the vaults.except for this springs trip with the one bearing running at 195,for which I never found the reason, the only problem I usually have is losing 1 bearing buddy a trip.
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 10:10am |
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I have traditional hubs. And that is what is going back on. :-)
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 9:51am |
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Before a long trip like that I usually pull the wheels clean, inspect, and add new grease and seals. For everyday trips I just check for grease leaking from a bad seal, squirt a pump or two of grease, give the tire a wiggle check and hit the road. Knock on wood but using this system I’ve never lost a bearing on a trip. Quote ” Entirely possible I lost a zerk, grease left the hub, and that was it.” That’s one of the reasons why I don’t like those bearing buddy hubs. Years back I picked up a used snowmobile trailer with those installed. During a trip I must have hit a pot hole in the road or something and one of the bearing buddy fell out, didn’t notice it till I was about to come home. Had to pull the wheel clean and re-grease and track down a cap for the hub. I bought two caps and threw away the other bearing buddy hub. Wont buy another trailer without posi-lube hubs. |
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 8:49am |
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All on me Ken. All seemed good, no wobble, no binding. All greased. Entirely possible I lost a zerk, grease left the hub, and that was it.
Given that we've essentially be in Chatham the last 3 weeks, with a couple of other boats, I haven't lost any sleep over it
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Posted: August-05-2021 at 6:42am |
The big white elephant whose been sitting quietly in the back of the room, taking all this in for over a month now, is wondering who serviced the hubs before the trip and what this service consisted of You or a shop? The same elephant says .........In the end, it's a relatively "not too hard" roadside fix that's taken at least 5 weeks out of your summer |
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Posted: August-04-2021 at 9:47pm |
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Where did all the little roller thingys go?
Guess that’s how they clear the little washer and nut on the end when they depart the trailer.  |
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Posted: August-03-2021 at 6:03am |
Imagine that
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Posted: August-02-2021 at 5:06pm |
NTSB reports hub intact.... Headed down next week to grab it.     |
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 5:48pm |
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My current trailer bearings from BCA said made in Romania. They are still working but I miss the made in USA days.
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 3:59pm |
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It is ok to say CHINA
Nothing good comes out of China |
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 3:00pm |
Or way down south maybe.
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 1:35pm |
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I did not consider the off shore bearing issue, the quality of those bearings were terrible initially but have improved over time, today even the top brands are from overseas. Maybe those rollers did shatter, good old USA Timken bearings did not do that.
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 12:01pm |
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PERFECT David! :-)
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 11:58am |
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Ultra, I've contacted the National Transportation Safety Board, they are headed out to do a full investigation of the bearing and hub failure. They have reports of a bunch of old mechanics arguing about the cause and want it solved.
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 11:51am |
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I'm sure when we see the hub, it will show a complete fracture of the outer hub assembly which houses the bearings, as evidenced by what was left of the hub, still attached to the wheel.
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 9:09am |
But when those rollers become unrecognizable little fragments or turn into metallic dust from bad adjustment, lack of lubrication, overheating, etc you now have enough clearance (there aren't any bearings left to run in the race) and the hub and wheel depart the spindle together. Especially if you been driving with the slop for a while and that washer gets machined down a little by the rotating, wobbling hub It's not like this is the first time it's happened to someone's trailer. Maybe we're saying the same thing ie something started the whole process like mentioned above. No 40 lashes, but I did "enjoy" the prostate biopsy
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Posted: July-29-2021 at 12:40am |
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Well Ken, it looks like we don't have to take our 40 lashes after all. The spindle is actually fine.
Have yet to hear if the hub is fractured. If the bearing came apart without hub failure the only way I can see that happening is if the bearing was ultra loose. The bearings run in a race. They can't get out of that race unless there is excess clearance. Mark's axle nut and washer are still in place but no idea how they were adjusted prior to failure but the wheel coming off can't happen with all the parts in place properly. As mentioned Bearing cages do nothing other than keep them in place for transport and install. Proper adjustment and the bearing race keeps them where they belong in operation. If this was not true we would see this failure on all older cars and boat trailers often. Heavy Duty Diesel Rigs, Class 8 trucks use the same system with larger parts, they don't fall apart if adjusted any where near properly.
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