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Dan,
I'm impressed. Nice work. More like yourself should consider the LVL for stringers. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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I'm impressed. Nice work. More like yourself should consider the LVL for stringers. Thumbs Up

That must be some of that "homemade LVL" he used for stringers, AKA marine plywood glassed together ( and very well done)

My eyeballs aren't that sharp but I did read his threads on PN and the site for "different type boats" too  Wink

Or maybe you're telling him "nice work, but you should have considered LVL"
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Thank you for the kind words. 

The stringers are 1/2 marine ply staggered seams glassed together, 12 feet long, and they are easy to make, anyone installing dimensional lumber is 2 steps away from these. 
They got located with shims made from glass so after they're in place the engine mount fits, and they get bedded down on a strip of glass, no bare wood anywhere. 
The core samples (drainholes) all showed good bond and good bed, and when your a dummy like me and forget to put some in, you can always go back after spraying gel and cut more. 


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Dan,
Again, very nice work. I like the way you glassed the holes through the new stringers. Many haven't which allows the path for water. 


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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I like the way you glassed the holes through the new stringers. Many haven't which allows the path for water.ย 


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Hey thanks very much for posting your project here on CCF
You are very good at this stuff
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Some rigging today, gauges steering and controls, all cables installed as well.
Which brings me to the transmission,  the cable stay is on the engine/bell above the trans, every bw ive seen the lever goes forward into forward gear, and back for reverse.

The oiginal throttle is broke at the throttle spring loaded slide, so i ordered a replacement.
The old control pushed to shift and pulled to throttle, i checked it 4 times and noted it in the new controls installation manual, and i had the old control on the bench when i attached the cables to the new part,
so i set the new one up to do the same.

When i see the control push the cable and the location of the cable stay, push would move the lever on the transmission to the rear. 
I know the engine is rh rotation, is the transmission backwards too ?

The steering shaft is a little sloppy, there probably is not a direct replacement is there?






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Originally posted by wayoutthere wayoutthere wrote:

 
When i see the control push the cable and the location of the cable stay, push would move the lever on the transmission to the rear. 
I know the engine is rh rotation, is the transmission backwards too ?
 

The lever on the transmission  always goes forward to shift the transmission into forward no matter what rotation the transmission is set for.

What did you buy for a new controller?

Some pictures of it's backside would probably help.
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Dan,
I don't know of a helm control that can't be reversed to ether push or pull so take another look at the instructions that came with yours.

As an example, here's the MV-2 manual out of out reference setion:


NOTE: The neutral safety switch in the helm is not used in our boats. The NSS is on the trans. 


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I knew it was lever forward.
I'll have to look at the engine i don't remember the cable coming in from behind the trans, and looking at the picture on the ignition thread there are 2 cable stays, carb and trans.

Switching  push/pull is a matter of which side of the lever the cable is connected.
The controls in my other boat can push or pull shift and throttle. It's single lever dual function also.
I have a set of single function controls that can push or pull, it lets you rig from either direction.

The old control pics are  forward @ idle, full throttle & nuetral (still can't load pics in order i attach them)
 it pushes to shift so i must be wrong about the cable stay for the transmission.

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Sounds like you've figured it out. Yes, the shift cable comes from the front of the trans back to the shift lever. 


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The old control pushes to shift, the cable stay is in front of the transmission, push to shift would push the lever on the trans backward.
I'm a dummy it just dawned on me the cable probably swings a loop and pushes the lever.
Gonna go outside & open the box now.


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Forward at the helm should pull the cable. 


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WOT (that's short for wayoutthere or maybe wide open throttle) Wink

I'll post some pictures of the same Morse control as your original, set up for "Pull to go forward" and "Pull to open the throttle" with both cables entering at the front of the controller.

For now let's just say they don't look like yours 
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Here are 3 pictures all cleverly rotated 90 degrees from the way they were by the picture gods. It's an MV1 like what you have.

The arrow on the index card is only to point to the front of the boat

It's setup for pull to go forward and pull to open the throttle with both cables going out the front. The shift cable curls up over the front of the engine, past the carburetor to the mount on the bell housing.

The throttle cable goes under the engine, curls up under the transmission and hooks to the throttle cable mount.

That was the typical setup for a mid to late 70's PCM 351

First picture is with the shifter in neutral shifter arm has an S marked on it




Second picture is at part throttle in Forward. You can see that the Shift arm is pulling back to go into Forwardand so is the throttle arm



Third picture is at part throttle in Reverse, the Shifter arm is moved forward so it's pushing the cable backwards to the Reverse position


Maybe this will help, maybe it won't Wink

Like you already know and mentioned, the controller can be set up a lot of different ways though.
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I verified right hand rotation via the firing order, it has a right hand propellor.
It pulls to throttle  and pushes to shift. 
Switching the shift cable to pull is very easy on the new  controls.
Just stumped why it's like that, i threw it in a bucket last year.
Thanks keno, i appreciate you going thru the effort to help me out
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No problem on the pictures. The controller was hanging around on a shelf. Wink

I did notice though in your pictures and video of the old controller, that the throttle lever on the back is on 90 degrees out of position and needs to be unbolted and rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise for the  throttle and shifter to operate correctly together.




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Just placed an order with skiboatpartsonline, starter, harnesses, coil, packing, impeller kit, bearings, etc and he gave me some good reccomendations on misc stuff.

I forgot to ask about a good spark plug and gap.
A ways off yet  but idle rpm timing and wot rpm info is greatly appreciated.
Also the rh rotation distributor isn't available yet so we'll hope the existing one still works.

Oops had to edit where the order was made
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Originally posted by wayoutthere wayoutthere wrote:

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Also the rh rotation distributor isn't available yet so we'll hope the existing one still works.

Dan,
It's the gear on the distributor shaft that makes it a RH/reverse rotation. So, You can purchase a new distributor and install your old gear on the new.


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Originally posted by wayoutthere wayoutthere wrote:

Just placed an order with skiboatpartsonline, starter, harnesses, coil, packing, impeller kit, bearings, etc and he gave me some good reccomendations on misc stuff.

I forgot to ask about a good spark plug and gap.
A ways off yet  but idle rpm timing and wot rpm info is greatly appreciated.
Also the rh rotation distributor isn't available yet so we'll hope the existing one still works.

Oops had to edit where the order was made

Autolite 24 or a cross reference to your favorite brand of plug.

With the Prestolite module, you'll see PCM literature with .035 and .045  Go figure Wink Either will work

The screwdown cap distributor says 10 degees BTDC for initial timing at idle speed.

WOT rpm 4000 to 4400. If you have the original 13X13 prop, you should have no problem getting to 4400 if the engine is healthy.

What brand of distributor are you talking about at at Skiboatpartsonline?  a Pertronix I'd figure since it's what they sell there.

If it's a Pertronix, you can't swap your old gear on to the Pertronix shaft like Pete seems to think you can, ....well you could but it would be a really, really sloppy fit Wink

It would be nice to know the brand and shaft size before making a statement like that
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by wayoutthere wayoutthere wrote:

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Also the rh rotation distributor isn't available yet so we'll hope the existing one still works.

Dan,
It's the gear on the distributor shaft that makes it a RH/reverse rotation. So, You can purchase a new distributor and install your old gear on the new.

In theory Pete is correct.  BUT I have installed numerous gears and the cross drilled hole for the pin never seems to be in the correct location.  Plus the diameter of the shaft has to be correct to that gear.  There is a dimension from the mounting face of the dizzy to the bottom of the gear that also has to be correctly located.  Seems as though they just install the gear to proper height and then pin it in a drill press,  never is on center line.  To add to the problem is the fact that some gears are not pre drilled for the pin anyway.  Just my experience.  Good luck,  Duane



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Keno, thank you for the tune up info, yes it's the petronix that isn't rh rotation yet.
I wouldn't even attempt a gear swap, i figured it was pressed on and off, i don't have those kinds of tools,
Leave it alone and cross my fingers. Which is what i should've done w/ the carb, its apart and in the chem dip.


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The prop is an oj nibral 4 blade, on the hub behind the prop nut it reads oj 13, on the side of the hub it reads oj 1011. It could be a 13x10 reworked to 11, but the 10 & 11 stampings on the hub side don't look different like if it came out of a prop shop.
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Originally posted by wayoutthere wayoutthere wrote:

Keno, thank you for the tune up info, yes it's the petronix that isn't rh rotation yet.
I wouldn't even attempt a gear swap, i figured it was pressed on and off, i don't have those kinds of tools,
Leave it alone and cross my fingers. Which is what i should've done w/ the carb, its apart and in the chem dip.

I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for Pertronix to make a version of that with the RR gear on it.

It's been in production a long time and it hasn't happened so they probably have very little reason to do it now.

Maybe Ron at skiboatpartsonline knows something like where to get a .500 inch RR gear for it......or maybe not  Wink


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Dan,
The trailer's looking great. I too have used the ZRC many times and have found it great for rust prevntion.

OK, what's the round plate for? Spare tire mount?


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Helm conversion adapter plate.
The original helm was updated at some point with the adapter for the new cable.
It feels good left and right, but the bushings are worn and the shaft/wheel have a lot of play.
Parts for the original helm for repair are no longer available, they still make it new tho, 400 bucks.

Other option was 89 bucks but the cutout ended up being smaller and the bolt pattern is different.
Ski boat parts online mentioned a plate, i just attempted to fancy it up.

Next boat, no hole shall be left unpatched.

Trailer ready for bunks and there is a tongue extension ready to get welded.
Not looking forward to bunks, didn't understand the old ones, ripped on a 45 the whole length, bolts staples carpet could have been from factory,    Oh !   now i understand !
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Nice work on the helm adapter. Thumbs Up

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