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No vent baffle, nothing was there when dis assembled.
All parts layed out on the dining room table, it looked like an exploded view.
Nothing in the kit resembles it.

Carb and rudder are still sitting on the table, other stuff had to happen today.
Plan is to install both first thing tomorrow.
do i need that part ? my in trouble ? 
Holley still  hasn't emailed shipping info on floats, that thing might take years!

I was all pumped for wednesday in the water.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KENO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-12-2021 at 7:16am
The baffle would have been there at one time.

It'll run without it, but be more sensitive to fuel sloshing around and overflowing.

Text or PM me your address and I'll send you one Wink
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I see the point being on a boat, so the vent baffle isn't needed but there for a good reason 

 unlike the catalytic convertor and def tank, not needed but there anyway .

Thanks keno, i'll send a text
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Installed the rudder and snugged the nut by hand  but had to use a wrench for another 1/4 turn to get the last shim on the post  were the lever sits, lever bolt and top bolt are bottomed not tightened or wired yet.

I made some kind of a mistake somewhere, and the fix would be stomach turning, but i was wrong there too, the whole thing went off butter smooth.

I measured everything off the transom for location and elevation at that point; 
 loading the  cable with wheel clocked differently twice until i realised the rudder wouldn't turn full right.
All steering parts are the same except for the helm, the steering block is bolted thru the stringer according to the notes and the tube is clamped in the same spot.

Slide the tube right, no problem except it's cushion clamped in place along with the wire harness control cables and battery cables and then 9 zip ties thrown in for neatness and good measure, 2 of which can't be reached unless the bilge pump is removed.

The cable with zero effort slid thru the cushion clamps, the wire harness didn't get disturbed and 3 tries reloading and clocking got me a straight rudder, straight wheel and the width of a steering wheel spoke away from perfect left-right rotation. 
We'll see how far off under power it is and noted the rudder trim tab is adjusted off to port, don't know if it works the same as an outboard/drive trim tab or if it does the opposite. This is my first single inboard --- edit in: (first single inboard i set up/worked on.)

Got the speakers installed and wired, installed a new bilge pump and bigger hose (ahem)
at 1900 ups showed up with the shaft safety collar.

Float test tomorrow,
 if it needs rudder post shims where do i get them, the usual places only seem to carry shims that go between the hull and port. These are 1 1/4 i.d. fit on the post and sit on top of rope compression nut under steering arm, hard to believe the thickness of new wood and glass the is same and rudder wont leak where the nut is at now. 

 

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No different, extremely rich and rough running. 1000 rpm
The new cap needed to be trimmed where the bolt goes thru or it wouldn't go on the distributor.
Firing order is correct, i traced every wire twice.

Since i don't know how the carb works the only trouble shooting i can think of is during cable installation, both barrels had to be spun way out to hit the carb linkage, now the thought is the idle stop screw was and is in the wrong spot (flaps closed).
The engine needs throttle,  say idle-nuetral is North, the throttle needs to be dam near due west to start  and run.

Tomorrow i'll adjust the idle stop screw to where the throttle opens it when the engine runs,  maybe its not too much fuel, just not enough air ?

Idle mixture screws 1 1/2 turns open, no affect on rich condition or rpm no matter which direction or how much the screws got turned.
Each adjustment left to run for 20 seconds and no affect.

I'll post some pictures after dinner

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Oil pan is full of gas, no idea what to do other than buy an engine or get rid of it, no idea what would cause that.

The only thing i know is that this engine is ruining all the hard work that went into the hull, because no matter how many bath towels are laid on the floor, how many rags gloves hands and feet wiped the greasey oily mess gets everywhere and it gets harder to clean it up.

I'm gonna put it in the water now to at least check/set the drips and measure boat position/tongue weight for the front bump stops.
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Time for a quick fuel….. I hear they are pretty good right out of the box
-Burton

Hang in there your craftsmanship deserves it
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Originally posted by bwinn bwinn wrote:

Time for a quick fuel….. I hear they are pretty good right out of the box
-Burton

Hang in there your craftsmanship deserves it

I appreciate that for sure, but i don't think it's the carb, the oil pain has gas in it to me thats a bad engine or bad rings.
I just got back from float testing a bit ago and have some uploading to do after a cup of joe and a camel.

The boat is awesome but the engine is not and safe bet would be to include the transmission in that statement.
The boat is worth finding a good engine but i don't know if i have the heart. 
I'll go into the whole what most likely happened to the engine in another post.

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The only way that fuel (gasoline) gets into the oil pan is from the carburetor.  If the engine has blow-by, that will manifest itself in different ways.  Your carb needs some TLC.  The fact that it's running rich and now you have fuel in the oil pan are symptoms of a significant fuel leak inside the carb.

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Originally posted by Jonny Quest Jonny Quest wrote:

The only way that fuel (gasoline) gets into the oil pan is from the carburetor.  If the engine has blow-by, that will manifest itself in different ways.  Your carb needs some TLC.  The fact that it's running rich and now you have fuel in the oil pan are symptoms of a significant fuel leak inside the carb.

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Appreciate this as well, engines are not my area and this carb if it's still wrong or has some kind of leak, well we already know it's missing 1 internal piece for sure and to me the purported only guy/shop that exclusively serviced the boat was inside it and who knows what kind of dukes of hazzard jump car carburetor mods and tuning he did to it.

I'll respond to the pm after dinner, thank you.


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SUCCESS, well, it doesn't run yet.

or in my case luck that it launched and recovered better and easier than expected. I got 3 feet 6 inches worth of tongue extension ball to ball and the up pulling winch worked perfectly on the launch and load. The guide on goal post things i made also worked perfectly.

and so in order to keep pissing people off " my stuff worked pefectly and everyone elses stuff did not, well that's not fair, 1/2 of that stuff didn't fit or was flat out the wrong part, everything we've come to expect"

the steering is 1 finger and the rudder port does not drip.

the shaft packing gland leaks, no gushes, no niagra falls when adjusted per the instructions. It's hand adjusting and therefore convienant however it would not stop leaking until i used a wrench and then it would still drip drip drip too fast, it's not right probably just a defective part but it's brand new and it's a ***** to remove.


i have some videos to upload and get posted.




It's in a little too far but i wasn't sure how deep to be so the tracking fins didn't hit the trailer. I'll have to relaunch and load again to get some measurements to make the bow stop and i know the bow stop will make a big difference as to how deep the trailer has to be because the boat floated /slid forward a bit once the stern started to float.









I always float on and off with the other boat and use the bow eye to help pull it.
I pulled throwing the rope around the winch tower directly out of my ass.




Literally walked back pushed the boat off the dock and pulled the rope, it went on like it was being driven. The trailer wasn't as deep ( the lights were out of the water) and i think it could still be a few inches higher.



Moved the boat forward that much and now i like the tongue weight





The goal posts worked perfectly and it landed pretty evenly, i mean who doesn't like the boat to be perfectly on the trailer right ?





The up pulling winch is awesome. So it's down to measuring for a bow stop with a tie back/safety strap and some expanded steel to turn the tongue into a catwalk because it's a wobbly and scary walk from the tailgate to the winch and that 3 feet feels like a mile over aligator and shark infested waters let me tell ya.
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Met another member and his brother today, nice couple of guys, he was kind enough to bring it with him on his trip down to central florida and take time to meet up with me.
It's in nice shape for 41 years old but 1 of the handles on the drivers vent window is busted, any ideas for replacement and/or modification, i'm wide open. He believes they may still be available and said he would check a particular website.

When i got back this morning i almost broke down an ordered a new carb, then i wasted a couple hours getting all set up hooked up and installed new needle and seat in both bowls, ZERO change, this time i took the carb off immediately and seen all the fuel in the manifold, the 2ndary's were wet and also the gasket was very wet with fuel in that diamond shaped area between the primaries and 2ndary's

heck with it, just ordered a new carb
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