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Permatex makes several. Your local auto supply should have it. I like the oil based better. I feel the water based compound dries out too quick. 

I recommended the lapping since it's likely an older used prop will need it. 


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Not to mention that at -13 it’s frozen solid and won’t be thawed out til August. But Mike doesn’t have that problem so he can use the more environmentally conscious version if he chooses
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?

As most of you know I have a soft spot for early Supra's. I currently own 3 two comps and a Sunsport and then there is the 210. I have never even driven anything as small as the Mustang. Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . Its just different and a lot smaller than I am used too . Having that 13x13 prop makes it lunge forward as soon as its put in gear.
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

  Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . 

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Nose high is good. You don't what to dig the stem in the water. Early plaining hull designs which includes the 1st gen Mustang ran nose high. The danger with planting the nose/stem in the water is flipping the hull. When the nose plants with any deviation from straight ahead, you end up with a chine lock.Be very careful. 


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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?

As most of you know I have a soft spot for early Supra's. I currently own 3 two comps and a Sunsport and then there is the 210. I have never even driven anything as small as the Mustang. Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . Its just different and a lot smaller than I am used too . Having that 13x13 prop makes it lunge forward as soon as its put in gear.

Sounds about normal for a Mustang from back then

I don't think the prop change will really do anything to make the lunge into gear any better..
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Sounds about normal for a Mustang from back then   [/QUOTE]

Not in my experience - once they get going they ride flat. Marshall's is the only one I have seen of the early hulls that rides bow up,the picture of his on a header page here is a good example of how his runs. I suspect it has been reworked at the BBC. I also think that Mike hasn't opened his up yet either.
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Planing and bow steer, not planning and chine lock.
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Compared to the Supras that Mike is accustomed to, I'd say it rides bow high, is a lot more weight sensitive and rolls more in the corners along with being kinda junior petite in size  Wink
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Bow up is faster Wink

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My understanding is that Marshall’s hull hasn’t been touched. Some hulls run much more bow high than others- and I’ve noticed it seems to correlate to whether you have the padded transom or not. Pad = fast... not that the pad itself has any effect, but I’m guessing there were multiple molds, and they weren’t quite created equal. The clean transom boats run noticeably more flat (and slow).
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That's surprising considering where it lives Tim. Does it at least have the higher HP valve cover decals Wink This is one of my favorite pictures- you can see the bow rise even with two aboard,mine is no where near that with only one. I have not come across the picture of mine at speed when I do I will post it. Until then-




This is not the picture I was thinking of but it does show the more bow down mine runs-


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Sea trials continued yesterday. I installed the used 12x15 prop huge difference, New 143 degree thermostat temp steady around 160 . Carb wedge also made a big difference I was able to lower the idle speed so no more lunging when put in gear also the black stains on the transom from the exhaust are gone. Overall it went well  except for the rear ladder. I went with the ladder instead of a platform because of the fuel tank being so close to the transom on the outsides the ladder mounts in the center and was there when I got the boat. I rebuilt it using stainless tubing instead of the thin aluminum . I think I put the lower step too far down . I set it 1'' above the bottom of the transom but during sea trials it caused major high speed driving and turning problems . It was forcing the bow to ride lower and driving water up and over the transom. It was a scary ride especially during a right turn. lesson learned this boat needs to ride high in the bow. I removed the lower step and eliminated the problem. I have seen Mustangs with rear mounted ladders if you have one can you measure how high the step is above the bottom of the transom?




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We don;t own the boat anymore, but I'd say the top of the bottom step is about level with the top of the exhaust through hulls.
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Ok I will try that . How hard was it to get on the ladder with it being so far up?
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The bottom of the lower rung on my '73 is 3 inches from the bottom. It's not that bad to get on. 
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Ok I will try that . How hard was it to get on the ladder with it being so far up?

I was probably about 58 the last time I did it and it wasn't easy.  Easier than climbing up over the side, but  to have your feet higher than your hips and be able to grab the bars and pull your self up was a reminder that I wasn't as young as I used to be, (or as my son would tell me, I just need to work out more.).  
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Hands on ladder then toes of one foot over the top of the rudder and then the other foot to the bottom step is how I remember it being pretty easy. However, just as Bruce mentions, that was in my younger years. Big smile


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Yea and now days Pete with a Acme prop you'd slip and end up cutting off a toe LOL  If I had some gel coat left I'd just remove the dumb thing. Mike lay on the floor of your living room with your butt against the wall,put your feet up the wall with your knee's back by your ears. Now imagine trying to pull yourself up Embarrassed   
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A nice one-step folding section would be a excellent add-on, you know, as we're not getting any younger or any more flexible...  Wink
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I made a rope sling to hopefully help with getting on the ladder without it dragging the water. It loops over the rear lifting fitting. 
 
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That's a good idea that will be a big help.
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That's a good idea that will be a big help.
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I was at a sign shop and mentioned I was looking for a piece of metal to rebuild a trailer. He suggested I check with a boat repair shop down the street. I asked and he couldn't help but there was a guy there that said he had a Ski Nautique trailer he would sell me . The next day I went to see it I ended up buying the boat and trailer. I am more interested in the trailer its too long but the Mustang will fit on it. There is not much left of the boat it does have a good windshield ,Morse control, steering parts and gauges. If you need anything let me know.





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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a rope sling to hopefully help with getting on the ladder without it dragging the water. It loops over the rear lifting fitting. 
 

Thats a lateral load on the lifting ring!!!!  Lifting ring is only made for vertical loads!!!!


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Great idea on the sling. Gary could even make one up so he wouldn't need to worry about cutting his toes off! 


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I already have one. About 6 years ago Davis instruments made an adjustable step rope ladder much like Mike has made. When you are in water where things are bigger than you - you can't be worrying if your foot is on the rudder LOL
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That’s not a correct craft trailer, but a copy. If it’s the same size as the #3 that came under the SN, it won’t fit the mustang well- and will cause significant grief when loading. Ask Morfoot about that.
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Hopefully it’s narrower than a real #3. If it’s too wide you’ll just stab the boat between the bunks, not up on them.

Tim posted incremental widths of #3s and #2s a long while ago, maybe someone can find them.
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I’m calling your bluff nautiquehunter
After all the hard beautiful work you’ve done, I’m guessing your not going to be happy with that sling thing.
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