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Tim D
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Same fuel pump for 260, 289 and 302. Intake and heads swap with all three too. Check the casting numbers. C6 is '66, C5 is '65 etc. Mine had a 65 block and 64 heads originally. You can get the cap at NAPA, tell them you want to see the marine catalog behind the counter. The box mine came in has MA1 on it.
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Gary S
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Cannot tell by the picture if the cap is good or not,many now days have aluminium terminals the good ones have brass. Does your distributor tag just have a Y on it or is it YL? Your boat I believe has been on here before,but I can't find it as of now.
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jaclins
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Been learning more, my Interceptor motor has the following number - GT21R525971, which if the info I have been finding is correct, means that I have a 260, not a 289. Does that mean I need a different fuel pump? The PO said it was a 289 bored out to 302. What the heck do I have and how do I find out?!?!?! UGH!
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Gary S
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That is a very nice pump,one I have by the way for a spare. The problem is that the sight tube connection that tells you that the pump has an internal leak faces to the rear of the engine and hits the oil pressure extension.
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jaclins
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I believe this is the correct fuel pump that I should be looking for? Please advise. Thanks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-FORD-302-351W-MARINE-FUEL-PUMP-289-CARTER-/200941195668 |
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jaclins
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Will post pics of our pink boat shortly...lol..previous PO painted it pink after he lost his wife and daughter to breast cancer. At first I was like, a pink boat? But then it did hit home, as I lost my Mom to breast cancer as well. So I am leaving it pink and making it a tribute to my Mom with some pink breast cancer ribbons, a loving memory of my mom decal on each side of the boat, and the name LIVE FOR TODAY on the back. It has attracted so much positive attention already and I dont even have the vinyl decals on yet. Would lke to make it a vintage 1965 Breast Cancer Awareness boat and maybe take to some shows. Needs a better pink paint job though. Wonder if a local shop would sponsor it and paint it for free and allow them to paint their name/logo on each side of the front of the boat.
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jaclins
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Just ordered this from Amazon. Before I read that last post! But is was the only place I could find a kit. Plus we have a Prime account and they are very good with returns. Here is what I just purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00027GM0I/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The Mallory Distributor says type Y on the front plate. I hope this kit is what I need. |
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Gary S
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Jeff it's more important to show and tell us what distributor you have than showing us parts the the PO might have gotten wrong. Get us a picture of the tag on it's front. Does it look like mine? It is a Mallory YL. I also would advise you not to buy on Amazon,I don't know how the return policy would be. Summit Racing is where I get my ignition parts,they are fast shippers,have the items in stock for a decent price and take returns with no problems.
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jaclins
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Here are pics of what I need. Would love the help.
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jaclins
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http://www.amazon.com/Prestolite-9-29416-Flat-Marine-Distributor/dp/B0060LJPJU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2U8859YJRTBCB&coliid=I2FIB6N04TP0A6
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jaclins
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So I changed the plugs and wires yesterday. Put in Motorcraft Copper gapped at 35 and she is purring. Still want to change the cap, rotor and points. Finding these products has been VERY hard. I think I found the right cap here.. http://www.amazon.com/Prestolite-9-29416-Flat-Marine-Distributor/dp/B0060LJPJU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2U8859YJRTBCB&coliid=I2FIB6N04TP0A6 but I can't find the right rotor anywhere. I have looked through more images than I can count. Havent even started to look for the points. Anyone now where I can find the rotor and points for this thing?
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8122pbrainard
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Jeff,
I've been gone for a week so forgive my late comments. I understand you are not a mechanic but also understand the the PO you bought the boat from wasn't ether. He was truly a "back yard hacker"! Stick with all the comments others have made and understand there are some big differences between running to the auto supply for parts and truly getting marine equipment. The hard pipe from the pump (marine pump of course )is going to require some bending as mentioned but worth it so you are not boating in a BOMB!! |
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Tim D
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Choke cable, well that was missing on my Mustang when I bought it. I don't think it had an electric one on it either. That Motorcraft carb has been on the shelf for a long time, now has the 3rd Holley on it.
Don't get sticker shock when you buy a new cap, it you have the flat top Mallory, those things are expensive now. |
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jaclins
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I am going to start replacing tune up parts as well so at least i know when things were done. Any recommendations for spark plug brand? gap? wires? cap? I for got how to change points. will have to get help with that.
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Gary S
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That is a manual choke Tim,just like mine in this pic when I first got
it,mine was rusted and didn't work. I was able to get an electric conversion at NAPA at the time. |
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Tim D
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What's that cable hooked to the carb on the starboard side?
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Tim D
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Gary S
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First off you won't find a prebent fuel pipe for that antique,most would make up one from a brake line and bend it and maybe cut and reflare to fit.I don't use that carb anymore but mine had rubber hose too. I have switched mine and used a AN stainless braded hose which I understand is not Coast Guard approved either which is ironic because a AN hose is a hose approved for aircraft and stands for Army/Navy. As to the fuel pump just get a marine one. A commom misunderstanding is that all marine pumps have a double diaphram,some do some don't it's just a design difference,but all do have a fitting for the clear sight hose that goes to the arrester. What you do need is a pump that the fitting exits to the front,a rear exit will hit the oil pressure extension.
Since my engine didn't have a sight tube there was nowhere on the arrester to connect one so I made one. I used some brass sheet bent it to fit and soldered a tube on to connect the hose to. Here are some pic's And the last tease picture,you can see how I routed the various hoses and you can see why finding a prebent pump to carb hose would be impossible to find since a Holley is more common than that Ford carb. A 2 bbl Holley would have the inlet in the same position as a 4bbl. If and when you decide to change the carb I personally would not bother with a 2bbl but would go with a 4bbl manifold and carb. Remember that just because you use marine grade items don't close the cover and ignore it,open it before the first start of the day and after refueling and use your eyes,nose and blower. 12 degrees at idle and .020 points will get you started. |
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jaclins
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I have a friend with a timing light. Can someone tell me what the proper settings should be? Hoping to adjust it on Sunday. Plus going to order the marine fuel pump. Thank you all so much.
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cphase
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Jeff..cant say for sure on the pump, that is for 302/351, you need to check. I would say no for sure on the hard line, I am not that familiar with the engine you have. Gary said he would be back soon, he is more familiar as I believe he has the same setup so he can answer your questions. Sorry I cant be of more help right now! Good luck, keep us posted and let us know what you find.
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jaclins
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Also, after I purchase a new fuel pump, how do I know which hardline is the right one that will fit perfectly for that specific fuel pump to my existing carb. Obviously the line is preformed and cannot be bent to fit. Will the 2 items that cphase linked me to work for that pump and my carb? Thanks again! If so, I will order them.
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jaclins
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And the carb I have has a nipple to place the clear hose that will go from the fuel pump? Sorry for sounding so ignorant. This is all new to me so if I ask some dumb questions, please bear with me. If you guys get down to Orlando, beer is on me!
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cphase
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Yes, on the supply side to the fuel pump rubber hose is fine. |
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jaclins
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It is ok to have a rubber line from the fuel cutoff switch to the fuel pump though?
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cphase
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Thanks for the info Gary!
Yes Jeff you need to put a marine fuel pump on , it has a dual diaphragm so if one ruptures it will pour the gas back into the carb via a clear tube. If you see fuel in the clear tube it is time to change the fuel pump. Also you need a hard line on the pressure side of the fuel pump to the carb, you do not want that rubber line to rupture and punp fuel into the bilge! |
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jaclins
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It seems that based on what some of you have mentioned, I should change the fuel pump and lines regardless of whether that is causing me my problems or not. I do not want to put myself or my family or anyone else at risk of explosion. From what you guys have said, the automotive fuel pump and rubber gas lines are very bad. Would be great if the fuel pump ended up being my issue since I will likely have to change it anyway. Thanks for the help everyone by the way, really nice group.
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Gary S
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Jeff thats a Autolite/Motorcraft depending on the year. Ford had gotten into trouble with the govt and had to sell the parts division,then turned around and started Motorcraft. I don't think it will be a carb problem they are really simple, no power valves etc. I would never have added to the old gas,but that is done. Change the filter if you'd like put some Seafoam in and check the timing and advance first. Should not have a check valve on the tank outlet but you never know if someone added it. If this fails you might have to check fuel pressure and volume.
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cphase
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Hey Gary who manufactures those carbs?
He says the PO put a 2 brrl on it, so is that the original for that engine or should it have a 4 brrl? |
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Gary S
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I have to run out,I'll look later and see what the settings are supposed to be. Anyway that is the original type Ford carburator for that motor. Actually a pretty simple one that never gave me problems other than not starting as easy as a Holley. Not technically a marine carb,it was way before they were required. I think Vondy and I,who both have Holman Moody's are the only regulars who have had these carbs. I think he changed his too,I have a 450cfm Holley and a 600 to try sometime. That part on the carb where the hose clamps to is a fuel filter but I think that was added later.
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cphase
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I do noy reckognize the carb. See if you can get a list number off the air horn? I do not think it is a marine carb but I could be wrong. Get in touch with Zach(phatsat67)from N3 Boatworks and he can set you up.
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jaclins
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Here are pics of the carb. Let me know what you guys think I need to do.
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