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89Martinique
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well. our boat is a 1992. but one summer the boat started and then ran like crap! it just started billowing black smoke! so we took it out of the water. one hour trip back to home. we took the carb off and shipped it off to my uncle who has a shop and specializes in rebuilding carbs. the carb came back working like brand new! only prob we have is that when cold we set the idle to 800. then by the time its warm the idle is 1100! when we set it back down to 800 you can get it to idle at all if the engine is the slightest bit cool. he said it is a choke problem. when comes up this summer he gonna help us with it.
but any who. how about the knock sensor? will it work as it should sitting on the intake manifold? or does it need to be on one of the heads? |
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1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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89Martinique
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For any who are curious the carb is a 4010 model Marine 600cfm 69 primary jets 76 secondary 6.5 power valve in the primary only and a .026 squirter.
Found that out from holley. Also I found a spot on the passenger side head where the knock sensor fits beautifully! Dont know how i missed it or the guy who did the heads. But was the knock sensor being on the intake manifold worsening performance? And what is to be gained by it being on the head? |
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Current Boats:
1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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Bri892001
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My limited understanding is that knock sensors rely on resonance. In other words they pick up on noise.
I was listening to the "Under the Hood" car radio show, and they were talking about how on some cars, in some instances, changing the coolant type actually messed with the knock sensors, because it changed the way sound was transmitted through the engine block. So, my guess, is that the intake manifold might transmit sound differently from the heads. Whether this would hurt anything or not, I have no idea, but I would certainly be curious about your findings. Cool on the carb, definitely interesting on that as well. I think that's the one Skidim calls the "Fishbowl". |
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89Martinique
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i did a little more research. the knock sensor "listens" for pinging when the computer advances the timing so when it detects pinging it know to retard the timing slightly. so yes the knock sensor is very important.
also. UPDATE! somehow i missed a threaded hole on the back of the passenger side head right in the same spot as N2Deep. the knock sensor fit perfectly. dont know how the guy who did the heads missed that unless Supra had pcm do something else specially which requires the sensor to be on the intake manifold and the guy put it right back where its supposed to be. but we got done mounting up the "muffler" after repairing it tonight and tomorrow we will be running it for the first time in 2 years!! cant wait to hear how loud its gonna be hehe ;) |
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1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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jskylark1969
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the Knock sensor must be mounted in the port cylinder head so it can hear the knocking or pinging if the engine has a problem, but it sounds like you are going to shortly be installing the protec conversion set up from what you symptoms are telling me. also the carb was not just a supra thing it was on all of the proboss engines that pcm sent out in 1992 and they replaced all that year of carbs when the dealer decided they wanted to, I personally replaced about 30 of them in 1993 for our customers. some 92 boats still come in with them on the engines. but when i have to i replace them with the 4160 style carb.
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89Martinique
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actually no we will not be installing the retro fit kit any time soon. we want to keep the electronic ignition working as long as possible. if we have to we will take it to an electronics specialist for it to be repaired if need so. but i now have the sensor where it should belong and the boat was running beautifully! she is loud with dual 3.5" stainless exhaust and the "muffler" on the back of the engine is completely hollow so it makes the boat louder through resonance.
the 4010 is working fine. after running the boat for the first 30 min after sitting for 2 years out of no where the secondary jets just started pouring in fuel! so i took both needle and seats out, sprayed them with carb and choke cleaner, oil the o-rings with a little 30w and set them back to 3 threads and all is fine now. but from what i read the 4010's smoke the 4160's of the same exact size in acceleration. this carb has always worked great except for one summer which it got immediately rebuild and fixed. but i hear these carbs are very touchy. as they can sometimes work great for a little while and then run like crap for no reason. |
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1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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Bri892001
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Sounds like it's running very well.
As far as the carb, as long as it runs well for you, and you know how it works, that's all that matters. It looks like the rebuild kits are still available for them. As far as the Protec, I always did find it interesting that the common solution is to just pitch the whole thing. Not sure which exact component it is that spells death. |
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89Martinique
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yeah im actually curious as to what kills them as well. if ours ever fully quits i am going to take it to an electronics specialist to see what went wrong and see if it can be fixed. i wouldn't be surprised if it was bumpy rides ruining components or cheap components that wear out quick or cant handle the task at hand.
i just got done repainting the patch for the "muffler" as in the video i show it leaking water. that was after we spent hours repairing the thing. but we fixed the little leak last night and now im going to try and fuss it in again and give her another run! and yes, she seems to be running very well. |
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Current Boats:
1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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