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    Posted: April-01-2012 at 11:16am
“If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their own rulers.”

From this article by Mark Steyn.
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I love Mark Steyn! He is great when he subs for Rush. He brings up a good point. If Justice Kennedy wakes up with his panties in a bunch, we're screwed, or if the Court gets stacked with liberals (or conservatives), then a whole bunch of people may not be happy one way or the other. Thats why I think that if the court does not overturn Obamacare, a new President and Congress will so that will of the people will realized.

Its like the courts in Wisconsin are now very activist in overruling the law that voters need id's to vote. A liberal activist judge (one man or woman) said the law is not valid, and that voters don't need id's to vote. For god sakes, we need id's to do everything in this country, but, not to vote!?!?!
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I got this in an email I think this sums up the currant administration.


Chilling Letter from Proctor & Gamble to Obama
Who would have thought, and yet many are thinking it.



By Lou Pritchett, Procter & Gamble

A LETTER FROM A PROCTER AND GAMBLE EXECUTIVE TO THE PRESIDENT* THE LAST SENTENCE IS THE MOST CHILLING
Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends- an
Acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest
Rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management..



Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering."

Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years; made corporate history.

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA







Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail..

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.


You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything You do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaugh's, Hannitys, O'Reillys and Becks who offer opposing, Conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett
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This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it.
Big surprise. Since it hit the Internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits.
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“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
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OMFG!!!!!!


You righties never letup. Try fact checking the above post? Sad that your party cannot resume control?

That crap is funny to those that love the U.S., never mind the president.


You damnn fools cannot reason your way out of a paper bag.
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Lets put the entire U.S. into a one sentence parable and fool those who are smart enough to read into that one sentence.

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Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

You damnn fools cannot reason your way out of a paper bag.


That's not so constructive...you damn fool.

There's one way I see a re-election, and that has to do with a sad figure. The sad figure is 50%; set your other wheel on the ground, look around, and figure that one for yourself.



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Quote Try fact checking the above post?
The above post was a QUOTE.
Quote never mind the president.
I try to every day...I REALLY REALLY do.
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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
Commonly quoted on many websites, this quotation is actually from Gerald Ford's August 12th, 1974 address to Congress."
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Papa thanks for the correction!
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:





You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail..





Buffalo, sorry I was not referring to your original post, but the open letter to Obama.

I highlighted a couple good ones from the letter and I might have changed some to be more true inside the quotes but I see that gives some here "pissy pants".

The first I am scared line is something about knowing nothing of you, then the rest of the letter goes on and on about how much he knows of Obama. WTF? There is probably more about Obama "out there" than any other president, and he has not completed his first term yet.

So when does one become "culturally" American? Was he culturally American enough to be a senator? I think he is just enough culturally BLACK enough to scare small minded folks.

Probably should have let the letter post go away like it apparently did when it was sent to NYT.    
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Give it a rest! Out of all the above posts about a guy who won a popular vote to become president you can only come up with his agenda is not accepted because he is (1/2) black? Aside from a small percent of nut jobs the rest of use could care less. Its the policy stupid! You are not even twisting words, because there is nothing above related to race. Yours is a explanation looking for a reason to exist, and not finding one.
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Yeah. Ok. So explain then, if you would, was he culturally American enough to be a senator?

In the above letter "culturally" American enough means what? By definition I thought America was a melting pot of all cultures.

Wait I figured out your thinking. I think. One can be American, but only less than whole American, if the culture doesn't fit. No. I don't get it.   What the hell does culture have to do with being considered American enough?

If you think his race isn't an issue, you are flipping blind. I was sarcastic above. I know what " culturally " American enough means, and so do you.

I understand the hostility, 2008 was a bummer. Condolences.   
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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:


Its like the courts in Wisconsin are now very activist in overruling the law that voters need id's to vote. A liberal activist judge (one man or woman) said the law is not valid, and that voters don't need id's to vote. For god sakes, we need id's to do everything in this country, but, not to vote!?!?!



Is a prediction coming? Didn't you tell me a months ago Walker would be safe from recall. 930k signatures, 7% error rate. I knew mickey Mouse doesn't live here, and Adolf is dead and didn't sign the petition. He started a criminal defense fund you know. Jon Doe is knocking on his door.    

Not trying to stir the pot, but are you closely following the Wisconsin politics?   There were two judges who have halted the law, but the GAB tells us to watch the news for instructions on voting. The supreme court might make a midnight move and decide the case and probably the election.

By the way, none, none, were "activist liberals", that is just a talking point you repeat.   Neither were they "activist", those cases were brought before them, not them seeking to halt.
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Here is a little explination about democrats and racism.macho sauce
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Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

Yeah. Ok. So explain then, if you would, was he culturally American enough to be a senator?

In the above letter "culturally" American enough means what? By definition I thought America was a melting pot of all cultures.

Wait I figured out your thinking. I think. One can be American, but only less than whole American, if the culture doesn't fit. No. I don't get it.   What the hell does culture have to do with being considered American enough?

If you think his race isn't an issue, you are flipping blind. I was sarcastic above. I know what " culturally " American enough means, and so do you.

I understand the hostility, 2008 was a bummer. Condolences.   


Seth, first we must define what is culturally American. Can you briefly list the top five uniquely American aspects of culture that have lead to the success of this country? I have my list, post and we can compare.
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Wow that was intelligent and insightful and he would be labeled as an Oreo by most blacks. Too bad so many people just dont get it?
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He's a socialist, raised and now handled by radical communists. His constant lying and narcissism are disgusting. The color of his skin is a non-issue.
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Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:


Its like the courts in Wisconsin are now very activist in overruling the law that voters need id's to vote. A liberal activist judge (one man or woman) said the law is not valid, and that voters don't need id's to vote. For god sakes, we need id's to do everything in this country, but, not to vote!?!?!



Is a prediction coming? Didn't you tell me a months ago Walker would be safe from recall. 930k signatures, 7% error rate. I knew mickey Mouse doesn't live here, and Adolf is dead and didn't sign the petition. He started a criminal defense fund you know. Jon Doe is knocking on his door.    

Not trying to stir the pot, but are you closely following the Wisconsin politics?   There were two judges who have halted the law, but the GAB tells us to watch the news for instructions on voting. The supreme court might make a midnight move and decide the case and probably the election.

By the way, none, none, were "activist liberals", that is just a talking point you repeat.   Neither were they "activist", those cases were brought before them, not them seeking to halt.


Prediction: Walker wins his recall election.

Reason: We The People are sick and tired of marching to the beat of the public worker unions (and their liberal elected sponsors) and having to pay ever higher property taxes to pay for lavish public union worker benefits, salaries, and pensions. In other words, the 85% are sick and tired of the 15% mandating how things will be done, and getting benefits that we, who are paying for those benefits, do not get ourselves.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that our children's test scores have stayed the same or gone down all while dramatcially increased spending on "education" has risen dramatically over the years? Now why is that?    

As far as voter id, regardless of the pissing match of whether its one judge or two....or three or four, why is it a bad thing? We need id to do everything in this country. I had to show an id to check into a hotel this afternoon. As determined as the left is to go back to the ways of the past, wouldn't id's be a good idea to keep out of staters from hi-jacking the elections?

By the way, did you read the article today on Fox News about the Democrats in northern Indiana that were officially charged with voter fraud from an incident during the 2008 (Obama) election? "The officials are accused of taking part in a scheme to fake signatures and names on the primary petitions needed to run for president".

These fakes signatures put Obama on the ballot in St. Joseph County Indiana. If they weren't there, would Obama have been officially able to be on the ballot in Indiana?? If Obama weren't able to run in Indiana, would he be president today??

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OMH,

What would be the point of posting my unique list?

I asked what the hell " Not Culturally American enough" meant.

You can define it however you wish, and surely you will define it right into your own argument.   I'll guess your list is composed somehow, to fit into your conceived fear from Obama and how he is some radical African, communist, socialist, muslum, whatever..

I don't have to define it.
I know what "not" means,
Same with "cultural",
Even "enough" too.

America is not so much as a melting pot but more like a salad bowl. Does that help? I think I see people in a different way than you.   

Just the idea you want to define "not culturally American enough", while describing the elected President is pretty evident in itself.

Is this the whole birth certificate thing relaunched to make it much more general?

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Seth, I find it interesting that you cannot, or are unwilling to provide five uniquely cultural aspects of this country that have made us great. That says a lot in itself. My list would include individualism, liberty, the melting pot, can do spirit (different from " yes WE can" ), Land of opportunity. If asked to go on I could list many more. My point is I would run out of answers and never include "we have a a lot of white people". It is the ideas, not race. The Ploy of making racial allegations to shut down the sharing of ideas gets very old. It is used by those who's ideas cannot stand up on their own merit.
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Without being specific, I have to agree that I find nebulous charges such as those levied in the (very very poorly written) "letter" to be inherently racially charged. Few people ask the same questions of legitimacy of white folks running for office. It is simply assumed by white culture that white people have earned their place, but minorities, well they must have scammed their way in because, well, they're "just not like us" and "I just don't get those people" or "they don't believe in America" or "I just don't trust what he says" or "you scare me..."

All of these are CLASSIC phraseologies that reveal a bias that can originate from few other places that racial classification.

I am a white male. I took a class in college (elitist brainwashing!) about cultural biases that at the time I thought was a load of crap. All these years later, however, I still think back to it and it came back to me in full force during the presidential election in 2008. To this day whenever I hear people use words like "those people" it makes me cringe...

Is there any reason to think that Obama is not for individualism, liberty, the melting pot, can do spirit, and land of opportunity? Maybe he is doing things differently than you would, but can you honestly say that he does not seek these very same goals as you do?

Sure, you would never say "We have a lot of white people." But it seems clear while many people won't say that specific phrase or something similar, what they really mean when they say things like "American culture" is "White American culture."

On a related note, I don't think that there are "five uniquely cultural aspects of this country that have made us great." Oh no! I must be denying "American Exceptionalism." Yup, I am. We are just a bunch of people doing the best we can. We've done pretty well, often I have to think, in spite of ourselves rather than because of. We have benefited greatly from history and geography. IMHO the way to keep America a great place to live is to stop saying that you are scared of our democratically elected president, and start a constructive dialog on how to move forward.

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Why is it that many of the people that levy the "nebulous charges" against Obamma and are accused of racism are the same people that supported Herman Cain, and that the liberal side that couldn't trash Cain or Clarence Thomas fast enough are not accused of racism? Quite a double standard. People criticize Obamma for his background, not skin color. I don't know anything about that guy that Kevin posted, but certainly some of what he says about the Dems and civil rights in the 60's is true. And the beloved Robert Byrd, the conscience of the Senate was a KKK member. He got a complete free ride on that. I heard Chris Mathews, who worked for Tip O'Neil say that O'Neil's nick name for Byrd was "Sheets". People make mistakes and can change, but there is a huge double standard.
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It isn't the color of skin all by itself. It isn't "black and white" racism. It is a more subtle "I just don't know about that man/woman." Feel free to ride Obama all you want on the facts and his policies, but to me and many others when people say things like "He scares me" without providing solid evidence for why that is I wonder where else that could come from.
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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

Seth, I find it interesting that you cannot, or are unwilling to provide five uniquely cultural aspects of this country that have made us great. That says a lot in itself. My list would include individualism, liberty, the melting pot, can do spirit (different from " yes WE can" ), Land of opportunity. If asked to go on I could list many more. My point is I would run out of answers and never include "we have a a lot of white people". It is the ideas, not race. The Ploy of making racial allegations to shut down the sharing of ideas gets very old. It is used by those who's ideas cannot stand up on their own merit.


Exactly why I didn't post a list.
There are simply too many cultural aspects I consider to be American, But you asked for UNIQUELY AMERICAN. It really wasn't on the top of my list to create that for you, given that I have been to many different countries, interacted with many, and likely lived a far different life than you have, sir, of course they might differ. Your given examples are well thought, but I disagree they are unique to America.


Nice try, at using the old tired racial allegations "cause I wanted to shut down sharing of ideas line". You are apparently in support of this letter, so explain it, and we'll go forward.


Tell us all, without responding with a question.

- Was he "culturally American enough" to be senator?
- What does "culturally American enough" mean?

- How "culturally American" do you need to be to be an Olympian? Or a soldier?


You cannot even do it. How can you use melting pot above, in your list, but then defend "not culturally American enough" when referring to a person with a known American birth certificate, a president, etc.


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Why is it that many of the people that levy the "nebulous charges" against Obamma and are accused of racism are the same people that supported Herman Cain, and that the liberal side that couldn't trash Cain or Clarence Thomas fast enough are not accused of racism? Quite a double standard. People criticize Obamma for his background, not skin color. I don't know anything about that guy that Kevin posted, but certainly some of what he says about the Dems and civil rights in the 60's is true. And the beloved Robert Byrd, the conscience of the Senate was a KKK member. He got a complete free ride on that. I heard Chris Mathews, who worked for Tip O'Neil say that O'Neil's nick name for Byrd was "Sheets". People make mistakes and can change, but there is a huge double standard.



Double standard? That would be comparing to equal things right?

The left bashed Cain for everything he said and did, but not that he was, not culturally American enough, or require his birth certificate, or request college grades, or disclose his financial story since before college. That candidate, used Poke-mon in his campaign,yeah sure he was ran out for not being American enough.

Apples to oranges my friend.


Poor republicans, facing such an evil left media bias.   

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Changing gears here, it is Spring Break at UW-Madison, so if you wanted to stop by Seth now would be a great time!



We are currently in Florida for spring break. Well, I'm not yet, kids and wife are, and I leave on Friday. I'll be in touch.

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- Was he "culturally American enough" to be senator?
- What does "culturally American enough" mean?

- How "culturally American" do you need to be to be an Olympian? Or a soldier?


You cannot even do it. How can you use melting pot above, in your list, but then defend "not culturally American enough" when referring to a person with a known American birth certificate, a president, etc.




Seth, Culture is found where ever people are found and it includes far more than race. There is workplace culture, religious culture, political culture, regional culture to name a few, and even CCFan culture I am not aware of a cultural litmus test for holding either office. But for many there is a cultural litmus test in regards to who they will vote for. Typically the media vets all of this prior to an election, but in the 2008 cycle the bulk of the media was acting as campaign committees Rather than vetting the then candidate Obama. I would suspect that is what the letter writer was referencing when he said he did not know much about Obama.

In Obamas case he was raised by his father who was Kenyan (nation of origin is not that important, only that it is not the United States), and he lived in Kenya for some of his formative years. He was strongly influenced by his father (he did not write "the dreams of my mother"). He has through out his life chosen to surrounded himself with left leaning extremists. When added up in total and coupled with his socialist agenda I am comfortable saying his culture is not in line with that of a your average American, which is OK too, right up until he is driving our nations policy, In that case it makes me scared, not of him or his race, but for our countries future. That has nothing to do with his race, and everything to do with his policy. The race baiting comments merely serve to put his detractors on the defensive, making it seem wrong to criticize anything he does. The ONLY reason I could see for having a problem with a minority in office is if their actions are protected from the scrutiny of those they serve based on the office holders minority status.
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Double standard? That would be comparing to equal things right?



Apples to oranges my friend.


Poor republicans, facing such an evil left media bias.   

Obama/Biden Vs. Romney/Ryan.






The double standard is not just with the media, it's with Liberals/progressive in general. Show me a president besides Obamma that hasn't put his college grades out there. Obamma hasn't. I am not a birther, but I did find it odd that Obamma took 3 years years to put his birth certificate out there when he could have put the issue to rest immediately. What was the big deal? My kids have had to show their birth certificates just to get their first jobs and their driver's licenses.

There's plenty to criticize Obamma for, just like any president. But, pulling the race card is a hypocritical tactic of the left.
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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:



In Obamas case he was raised by his father who was Kenyan (nation of origin is not that important, only that it is not the United States), and he lived in Kenya for some of his formative years. He was strongly influenced by his father (he did not write "the dreams of my mother"). He has through out his life chosen to surrounded himself with left leaning extremists. When added up in total and coupled with his socialist agenda I am comfortable saying his culture is not in line with that of a your average American, which is OK too, right up until he is driving our nations policy, In that case it makes me scared, not of him or his race, but for our countries future. That has nothing to do with his race, and everything to do with his policy. The race baiting comments merely serve to put his detractors on the defensive, making it seem wrong to criticize anything he does. The ONLY reason I could see for having a problem with a minority in office is if their actions are protected from the scrutiny of those they serve based on the office holders minority status.


Dave, from what I know of Obama's biography your information is incorrect. Obama was not raised in Kenya, and he had very limited contact with his biological father who was killed in a car accident in 1982. I don't know when the "formative years" are, but Obama did spend a number of years in Indonesia before moving back to Hawaii when he was 10. That he would title his book "Dreams From My Father" is apparently related to the absenteeism of his father rather than his direct influence on him since Obama only saw him once after the age of two.

This type of total error is exactly what the so-called "liberals" on these politically-charged topics are talking about. Why do some of you consistently get the facts wrong? Since Obama was elected by a majority of Americans I am not sure how Dave can claim that his "culture is not in line with that of your average American." As I said before it seems that your problem with Obama in fact has less to do with his beliefs relative to most Americans, but has everything to do with his beliefs relative to your own, which by some happy coincidence, happens to be the Gold Standard of American Culture. On that last point there are probably about 200 million of us that didn't get the memo. I suppose that filling out a March Madness bracket is one of those "radical" things that "socialists" do in their spare time. Give me a break...

For the sake of all of us but especially yourself, please give it a rest. I want to say "can't we just go back to talking about the real issues?" but now I am reminded that we can't have a conversation about those either without the same tired "facts" being used over and over again. When people on this forum have the time to do some research and actually start making posts based in reality I will be very happy to have a conversation.
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