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your gonna shoot yourself in the eye with that thing
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Marty,your signature mentions camping. Your picture in the tub shows a little tent. Coincidence, I don't think so.
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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:



Its not so much not wanting to pay for the benefits although more than half of our society does not pay a thing towards them. Its more are we getting what we pay for. There are a lot of zeros in a trillion. I have a hard time seeing 3.83 trillion in benefit in 2011. I can have my cake, or I can eat it, or I can give it to the government and then have them give me one slice back, and tell me that is a good deal.


How do you pull out the tired old comment about half our society not paying a thing towards the benefits when that clearly only takes into account federal income taxes and is a stretch at that, when in the same thread as you listed a set of taxes that effects everyone in society.

Are those real taxes, in which case everyone really contributes or is federal income tax the only way to contribute and therefore those retirees who no longer make more than 20k or so a year are really just dregs on society?

Do you want to have your cake or eat it?
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

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How do you pull out the tired old comment about half our society not paying a thing towards the benefits when that clearly only takes into account federal income taxes and is a stretch at that, when in the same thread as you listed a set of taxes that effects everyone in society.

Are those real taxes, in which case everyone really contributes or is federal income tax the only way to contribute and therefore those retirees who no longer make more than 20k or so a year are really just dregs on society?

Do you want to have your cake or eat it?


So if I shop at five stores, pay at four and shoplift at the fifth, I am still doing what I should?
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Is it just me or does everyone think you don't make any sense?
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Dave, What if you buy a million dollar life insurance policy, pay the 52.00 bucks a month, and die in 2 months....do you still get the million?
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Not me, I am dead.
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Kind of a big price to pay to beat the system.
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Originally posted by GlassSeeker GlassSeeker wrote:

Is it just me or does everyone think you don't make any sense?


I could try typing slower.
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If typing slower will reduce mistakes like using no when you mean know or to when you mean too among other basic mistakes that undermine credibility and reader understanding.

Funny that the GOP's top guys plans will all (except for Paul) increase the deficit by trillions with Gingrich having the largest increase. Yes Ron Paul is the only one who has a plan that reduces the deficit.

Deficit spending may be the only way to pull the country out of the hole it's in. The tax breaks to the richest people and corporations have sure not created jobs like the GOP claims those tax breaks provide. That dog just don't hunt.   
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If deficit spending was the only way to get us out of the hole we are in, then by that standard unemployment would be zero, and the economy would be soaring. We have had three years of unprecedented deficit spending (with no end in sight by the way), and we are in a huge hole.

Also, not sure where you are getting info on the Republican candidates increasing deficit spending by trillions. Is that fact, or are you guessing at that because its a good liberal talking point? Do you have facts to back that up? Can you provide a link to provide documentation on that?
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How are Obama's Dogs Hunting? I am not impressed. I am not in agreement with all of the republican plans, but I believe they would be lesser of the evils. I don't think Obama's bait and switch plan to reduce corporate taxes but eliminate write offs increasing the actual collections by hundreds of billions, and raising dividend taxes from 15 to 40+ percent will help. I personally don't think we have the luxury of cutting taxes much more to stimulate the economy. We have already done that.We also cant hurt the fragile economy by raising them. What we need is to cut spending significantly. None of the republican top three are the fiscal conservatives they claim to be, but just wait till Obama stops worrying about re-election. Then his true colors will really show. You are right, I am not big on proof reading, too few hours in the day. At least my Mozilla browser gives me spell check but it is not bright enough to understand context.
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Let me help you to understand

Bee Article

Rivlin Explains

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I am sorry, but the Bee article starts with the premise that the budget cannot be erased without tax increases, which is a political position. If spending were reduced below income the budget deficit would decrease. Second it faults Romney for not listening to Obama's deficit panels recommendations. Even Obama will not listen to his panels recommendations, so what is the point?
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Ditto Dave. Gotta run now, but, everything starts with the premise of "gotta have a revenue increase"....ie....tax increase. Give me Romney any day of the week vs. Obama's view of "decreasing" the deficit. I will take my chances even though the Sacremento Bee provides a very compelling narrative that the the Republicans have no idea what they are doing.

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Here's the 50 pages the Bee article referenced from the non partisan US Budget Watch group they referred to where Rivlin is a member.

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The point(among others)is if deficit reduction is so important to the GOP why are they not supporting Ron Paul? Are they really just more interested in birth control and abortions?
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Just like democrats different republicans have different pet objectives. you have to pick who closest supports your view point.
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thats the beauty of politics Dave, they tell you what you want to hear, you mold it, shape it and end up believing it, they are selling....you are buying.
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Some more than others, remember this sales pitch? Hope and Change.
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One thing we can all agree on....
2012 - The best election money can buy!
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and i hate the fcn NY Yankees too
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

and i hate the fcn NY Yankees too
and other than hearing yourself talk, your point is?
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he who has the most money wins?
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