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    Posted: January-02-2012 at 10:39pm
I had a '67 Camaro, I used nothing but AC filters.

But now with a 351 and two 5.0 HO nothing but Motorcraft FL-1A
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There was an internal memo posted on the net, from someone that worked at Fram, that said that as long as they don't leak externally, they are considered a good filter.

The filter paper on a Fram is not even glued at the seam, it is just folded over. They also use cardboard at the end of the media. Google 'Bob the oil guy' to read all about filters.

I recently cut apart a Motorcraft filter & thought it was well built internally.

Wix & NAPA are even better quality.

The price difference between a bad filter & a good one is only a couple bucks.
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I have used the Fram extended guard on my truck and car and everything was fine.

I generally buy the Napa Gold filters because they are made by wix. Wix has a great reputation for making top notch filers.

I doubt it really matters.
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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

Do not use a Fram Oil Filter or you will get a hard time from this site. Just trust me on the Fram deal.


I know that Fram Filters get a bad rap on this site, but, what is wrong with them? Don't they have to make as good as filter as anybody else out there to compete in the marketplace? I have used them before with no issues, nor have I heard of engines blowing up when they use a Fram filter.

Is this urban legend or is there really something to it?
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I use a Turkey Baster to pull the Trans Fluid from the Trans. There is not a drain on the trans as such. Use Dexron II Trans Fluid to refill. Mine takes 2/3's of a quart to fill.

To change the Oil, you must remove the plug in the bottom of the boat. Have the motor hot so the oil moves freely. My boat has a rubber hose that is about 24" long with a bolt and hose clamp used as a plug. This hose attached one end to the bottom of the oil pan. I then run the hose out of the bottom of the boat's plug hole into a bucket. Gravity will drain the oil out of the engine. Those without the hose are dropping the oil into the bilge and letting it go out of the plug hole. Also, you can use a pump to pump the oil out of the top of the engine.

When you order an impeler for the water pump, please use a OEM impeller. Parts can be ordered from My Correct Craft Parts.com, or Discount Inboard Marine ( AKA Skidim). Also, use lube with Zink for the flat tappet cam. I use Valvoline ZR1 Racing 20-50 Oil. Shell also makes a Rotella that will work. Do not use a Fram Oil Filter or you will get a hard time from this site. Just trust me on the Fram deal.

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I doubt an engine would seize at 240 degrees. Automotive GM engines run at 210. I am planning on buy thing this boat next weekend. What fluids are there besides trans and motor? Does anyone have a how to manual about how to change oil/trans fluid?

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Or perhaps more simply the engine did reach 220.
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Tim - I would think that by 240F the engine would shut itself down, from pistons seizing!

They must have the wrong range sensor installed.
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Gary's right- Dave, you must be thinking of 140, not 240.

Anything above 200 and I shut the engine down for fear of damage.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Thats not right Dave,water boils at 212,and these are open systems.A closed system like your car has the coolant under pressure raising the boiling temp.It should run at what the thermostat is,160 is for fuel injection,140 for carb.
Get her home change all the fluids,pull the raw water pump change the impeller and go from there.An infrared thermometer like these are nice to trouble shoot with.


Gary...you're right. Don't know why I was thinking 240. I have had a bad case of cabin fever the past few weeks you know . Its been too long since I have had a run down the Fox .

Now that you have jogged my memory, I do remember my thermostat usually runs right at 160. It may go above that (170-180) after I stop and sit after a hard run, but usually doesn't stay there long.   

I usually replace my impeller every year, but, I didn't this year. I pulled the water pump out to work on it over the winter, and the impeller is pretty well beat up. I don't think it would go another season.
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Also, when we clicked the the blower and or the lights the voltage dropped about 1-2 volts.
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I think this is a symptom of the main feed wire to the dash. I believe it's on the small size and as it ages the resistance goes up.The cure is a new larger size wire.Try a search
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Thats not right Dave,water boils at 212,and these are open systems.A closed system like your car has the coolant under pressure raising the boiling temp.It should run at what the thermostat is,160 is for fuel injection,140 for carb.
Get her home change all the fluids,pull the raw water pump change the impeller and go from there.An infrared thermometer like these are nice to trouble shoot with.
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The temp may be a little low. I normally run at 240 when fully warmed up. You may just need a new thermostat. Also, did you actually measure the voltage drop, or just see the volt meter drop when you turned the switches on? That seems normal. Lastly, 42 mph seems about right, depending on the prop. It sounds like a pretty healthy boat that may just need some fresh gas, new thermostat, and tune. Based on your description of it, and the pictures, I would go for it.   
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We test drove the boat today. It ran pretty good.

There were a couple of things I was concerned about. We managed to get the engine temp up to 220 degrees when it was idling after about 15 to 20 minutes at 4,000 rpm. He said the impeller had not been changed in 4 or 5 years.

Also, when we clicked the the blower and or the lights the voltage dropped about 1-2 volts.

They guy said it had not been in the lake since march, I was pretty sketched out running that thing on old gas but it seemed fine. I was about to go about 42 mph although the water was rough.


Anyone have any clue what the engine temp thing could be or the voltage drop?
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I am going to drive it today at the lake. We agreed on a price of 6700 dollars.


I get the boat, his extended pylon, the bimini top for the pylon, and a few life jackets.

I will let you all know how the drive goes. I am excited to join the club!!!!!!
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No big deal on the springs,they aren't painted very good,they flex and rub together and you submerge them.Eventually you have to replace them anyway. Check the titles on both,wave 6 big ones under his nose,good luck and have fun!
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Update, I saw this boat in person and it was amazing.


The hull has no cracking, a few small scratches, and some scratching where it meets the bunks and that is it. The interior needs to reupholster the observer seat and carpet. I felt the entire floor and it was hard. I hit the stringers with my flashlight and they sounded solid. I lifted up the back section of the floor and there were no cracks around the exhaust.

The entire bilge area was clean as could be.

I offered him 5500 and he said he wouldn't go lower than 6500 hundred. I think I am going to take it for a test drive on Sunday or monday and see if he will take 6000.

I did notice the trailer had a good amount of rust on the leaf springs. Is there any problem with that?

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it seems like an awful lot of rounding up or down and factoring guess work. it seems like it wouldnt be hard to wrongly figure the boat to be holding 8 gal of water , or just as easily miss 8 gal of water... why not just look at the boat and its condition like you would a used car. look at the care it seemed to be given , the cracking or lack of . it not that hard to tell a boat that isnt original or is abused .
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I will let everyone know how it goes after I meet him on saturday
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Originally posted by Jllogan Jllogan wrote:


So minus 136 pounds for the stereo etc that puts you right at 2500 dry. So I guess 3700 would be a good benchmark depending on the amount of fuel in the tank. I am guessing 167 lbs of fuel would be somewhere around 2/3 of a tank?


Yeah...somewhere around that. If I recall correctly, the fuel gauge was between 3/4 and full...around 27 gallons or so.

I guessed on ALL of the weights I listed. But suffice to say, I was very happy to learn that my boat was right where it should be. It was then I was comfortable buying it.
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Originally posted by P71_CrownVic P71_CrownVic wrote:

2500 pounds is the quoted dry weight a 1986 2001.

It's unclear whether that includes any deluxe seating or not...that's important.

FWIW, here are the figures I had when I weighed my boat back in August. I did NOT take into account the stereo, amp, and 4 speakers OR the deluxe seating. That's probably another 150 pounds or so:

Quote So, today I had the boat + trailer and just the trailer weighed.

Boat + Trailer = 3,820 pounds
Trailer Only = 940 pounds

Boat only weight = 2,880 pounds.

Here are the figures I used for fluids:

167.5 pounds for fuel
50 pounds for the battery
9 pounds for oil/filter (5 quarts)
16.6 pounds for cooling water (2 gallons)

Total 243.1 pounds.

2880 - 243.1 = 2636.9 pounds.


So minus 136 pounds for the stereo etc that puts you right at 2500 dry. So I guess 3700 would be a good benchmark depending on the amount of fuel in the tank. I am guessing 167 lbs of fuel would be somewhere around 2/3 of a tank?
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2500 pounds is the quoted dry weight a 1986 2001.

It's unclear whether that includes any deluxe seating or not...that's important.

FWIW, here are the figures I had when I weighed my boat back in August. I did NOT take into account the stereo, amp, and 4 speakers OR the deluxe seating. That's probably another 150 pounds or so:

Quote So, today I had the boat + trailer and just the trailer weighed.

Boat + Trailer = 3,820 pounds
Trailer Only = 940 pounds

Boat only weight = 2,880 pounds.

Here are the figures I used for fluids:

167.5 pounds for fuel
50 pounds for the battery
9 pounds for oil/filter (5 quarts)
16.6 pounds for cooling water (2 gallons)

Total 243.1 pounds.

2880 - 243.1 = 2636.9 pounds.
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Isn't 2350/2400lbs the dry weight for a 2001? and by dry I mean with no fuel and no battery ? Then there is the extra for the trailer.
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Check out this thread.
I weighed my 1984 SN2001 to be 2765 lbs. The brochure says 2400 lbs.

And in this thread you will see how much wet foam and wood I removed. After going through this, I would say a lot of my extra weight was due to saturated foam and wood. My stringers are full of water, some of the foam was absolutely dripping, and the floor had some standing water.

However, 365 lbs of water would be 43 gallons. I certainly didn't have 43 gallons of extra water in there. I would say more like 8 or 9.
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For somebody wakeboarding the 2001 is the only option in this price range, the newer 90's are not what you are looking for.
If it drives well is in good condition and not full of water then its the perfect boat for you.
I bought one in the UK a few months back and could not be happier with the drive and wake, even unweighted its great with a really nice shape and will get better and better with some extra weight.

There is always room for negotiations on the price if the seller actually want's to shift it.

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I think the dry weight on that boat would be around 2300 pounds. Plus the trailer (900-1000) and account for any fuel in the tank ( I would say 250 for a full tank). So I would say you are looking around 3500lbs I would think if it was over 3600 it probably has some wet foam. Anyone else feel free to correct if I am off on any numbers.
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Nice one. The ring and finger are bacards cuse someone slipped a fly high pole over the pylon - I bet?
If I was looking for another 2001 I'd be all over it.
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I have some more pictures of this boat if you would like to see anything else.
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Thanks for everyone's help.

What is the deal with the ski pylon being the wrong way? Would this indicate anything?

I am looking for a 2001 SN because I want to wakeboard with this boat and I really love the look of this boat. I'm sure some of you would not be happy with the plans I have for the boat .


Thanks for the write up on what to check. I am going to take this check list with me when I look at the boat.

I spoke with the owner and he seemed very kind. I asked him if I could tow it to a weigh station and check the wait for the water logged foam and if I can take it to the lake and drive it around. He was fine with both.

What is the weight range I should I be looking for?

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