Health care

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What the hell could possibly go wrong????

Andy,

No kidding huh? Brilliant plan isn't it? ;-)

Kristof,

Does your country have "socialized" health care?

"regulated healthcare is the correct word"

So, how is the care?

What do you pay in taxes?

Would you rather have private like we do?

When you say 45% to gross earnings, is that only for Federal Income tax?

Do you also have sales taxes? Property taxes? Other taxes?

Oh and BTW, my net income is 1687,57 euro a month (2318,48 $), and all these taxes still have to come off of that

Well, I'm not always happy with it, but I kinda do like our system...
I've got a pretty steady job and my wife has a good business, but our system still provides us with an anchor just in case of the "what if...?"-situation...

tullfooter wrote: Wait, I figured it out. You eat, sleep, and work in your one room bath tub.

Wow Tull, you hit the nail on the head straight away... Man, you're good!!

would that be called living within your means? and he drives a diesel!!

Kristoff, show a big presence in the Middle East and your gas would be cheap too,
BTW, something big happened yesterday and im ready to roll on this one, 12 hours invested in watching C-Span

I'm interested to see what happens in the senate, then also what happens in November.

Or if you are a small business that makes that type of money.

The other aspect that is overlooked, besides taxation, is price increases. The insurance companies are being dictated to in this bill regarding denying coverage and capping costs. Those will be passed along to the subscribers and rates will go up.

Contrary to many folks' belief, health care is not a right, in the sense of natural rights our Constitution spelled out. You could say it is perceived as a right and is being provided by the government. Any "right" provided by government can be taken away just as easily as it was given.

Okie Boarder wrote: Or if you are a small business that makes that type of money.

It's from my understanding that it's based on number of employees and salaries earned. Companies with 50 employees or less are exempt.

The other aspect that is overlooked, besides taxation, is price increases. The insurance companies are being dictated to in this bill regarding denying coverage and capping costs. Those will be passed along to the subscribers and rates will go up.

"The Congressional Budget Office estimated that for those in the group market — those who get insurance through their employers — premiums would largely stay the same. The change in the average premium in the large group market would be between 0 percent and a 3 percent decrease, for instance, compared with where they’d be under current law in 2016. The average premiums for those who buy insurance on their own would go up, however, by 10 percent to 13 percent. The reason is that benefits would become a lot better for this market under the bill. Also, most people buying their own coverage would receive subsidies that make their net costs for these plans substantially lower than they otherwise would be. "

Contrary to many folks' belief, health care is not a right, in the sense of natural rights our Constitution spelled out. You could say it is perceived as a right and is being provided by the government. Any "right" provided by government can be taken away just as easily as it was given.

But it's the "right" thing to do.

I agree providing for others is a very good thing to do and shows a compassion we should have for our fellow man. It is best given out of the kindness of our hearts, rather than required by government, IMO.

I really think this thing will never actually get off the ground. But, if it does, we can feel pretty confident of where this country will be headed. Just look at all the other socialist type countries. If that is what you want, keep voting these folks in and letting them pass legislation to take the country that direction. If it isn't, November is coming around soon and your voice is your vote.

Phil,

Just out of curiousity. If I came to you and asked you to give me 40% or more of your income to take care of your neighbor, would you just hand me the money?

Just out of curiousity. If I came to you and asked you to give me 40% or more of your income to take care of your neighbor, would you just hand me the money?

Heck no I wouldn't but I will continue to do my share and pay my taxes. It's the price for civility. And this health care bill is so far from Socialism. I know that all the conservative talking pundits want you to think it's Socialism... The U.S., in fact, has socialized education through high school, socialized highway systems, and socialized fire departments. Strange how they aren't screaming socialism about our roads. Wouldn't it be terrible to have a 35 hour work week and 4 weeks paid vacation like France? This health care bill is actually very pro-business. Health care companies and doctors have the potential to get 32 million more people in business.