Maruader / Wildcat differences?
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Topic: Maruader / Wildcat differences?
Posted By: 62 wood
Subject: Maruader / Wildcat differences?
Date Posted: April-08-2012 at 3:16pm
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I was talking with Chris Mars last night. The question arose about differnces between A Maruader and the 70 Wildcat I have. 70 appears to be the end of the Wildcats, while the Marauders started around that year. Both are 19 feet and have the "spear" molded into the side of the hull where the Correct Craft emblem goes. the decks look differnt. Anyone have more info? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 1:30am
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Steve I would be interested in this topic too. I think there was some info bantered about early on in my marauder 19 thread. I will go back and check. I think there were marauders in the late sixties as mine is a 1969. Bill |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 1:44am
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Looks to me like your Wildcat and Bill's Marauder came out of the same molds. Just minor differences like vent placement. Big Red II has Split Motor Box and Coaming Pads. The 70 or 71 Marauders were totally redesigned and gained a foot. Are you thinking about buiding a Big Red III ? |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 1:56am
| Bill's new engine is very pretty. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 2:17am
Al, No, while watching Bill's Marauder thread makes it tempting, I really need to get my current projects done. Just thinking about what to do with a couple of the "extras" I have around. I would give the bare Wildcat hull away to someone looking for a project. I'm also starting to consider selling it with some / or all of the parts I got with it when I bought it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
DrCC wrote:Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 10:39am
Come on Steve........I would love to see "Big Red III.....the wildcat returns"  Are there pictures of your wildcat on here somewhere?
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-09-2012 at 7:03pm
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From the evidence at hand I think we can safely say there were at least two Marauder Hulls.. perhaps running from 1965 -1970, and then the 1971+ hull. The Tournament Skier/Collegian/Maruader/GranPrix/Wildcat type hulls are tough to figure out. In the 1965 brochure is the best info although I don’t know that we can fully take them at their word. They sell the “18ft” tournament skier that is actually 18’9”. They also on the Collegian sell sheet state very clearly that the “19ft” collegian shares the same hull with the Maruader/Grandprix except that those two boats have “more deluxe and different equipment” those three hulls list the length at 18’10” but have width and depth dimensions exactly the same as the Tournament skier. Now that is one expensive inch as the Collegian cost $1283 more than a tournament skier in 1965 ($5494 vs. $4211 each one equipped with the Gray 220hp). Having seen no actual evidence that there is any difference in those hulls/decks I think the whole 18ft vs 19ft and the one inch was nothing more than creative marketing to justify the 25% price bump but I wasn’t there. Now a jump to the Grandprix/Marauder would cost you another $1000 in 1965 over a Collegian with the same engine. If we are to believe the sell sheets the Grandprix/Marauder were the exact same boats except the Grandprix name went on the 19ft hull that came with 401 cu in gray marine buick based engines and the Marauder name went on the 427 cu in interceptor engines which came in 330hp or 400hp versions. I have always hoped to catch a whisper in the wind that a 1965 Marauder with a 400hp premium gas only non warranted competition 427 actually was ordered and has survived in restorable condition (preferably in two tone turquoise and white or mahogany please). To date I haven’t even caught a rumor of a 330hp one. I suspect the $8565 price tag (+$75 for the mahogany color and +75 for the optional deck hatch cause if you are going all the way you might as well keep going) severely limited production in 1965. BTW I figure that hatch option explains the raised square with the arrow on the middle of the deck.. as that is where the hatch would go and that is what it would look like if it was there, but I would love to see one. If that 400hp 427cu in Marauder exists it gets my vote for coolest fiberglass inboard boat ever created, certainly fiberglass correctcraft.. and I suspect it would have been the fastest inboard correctcraft that ever snuck out of the factory, unless bills 440 twin turbo was an off the book factory job. But anyhow that was all back in 1965… by 1966 the only 19ft boat mentioned (again exact same dimensions as a Collegian/Grandprix/Marauder) we have available is the Wildcat. The two engines are the 318 chrysler and the 401 gray marine buick.. prices are around what a collegian went for. However there is one Grand Prix in the diaries from 1966. There is no 1967 brochure around that I have seen… However I have seen with my own eyes the existence of an all powder blue 1967 Wildcat with a 426 290 hp Chrysler that looks tremendously similar to a 1965 Tournament Skier. The Wildcat shows up again (alone again) in the 1968 brochure with a 250hp 352 cu in interceptor option, a 225hp and 325 hp mercrusier option(chevy small and big block perhaps), and small and big block Chrysler options at 235(318 poly?)/300hp(440). Bill has a marauder from 1969? that ain’t a ford boat and doesn’t look like it ever was, but has higher end looking interior and more options than a wildcat and sported a big block Chrysler. I am thinking by then a marauder was just an SS Wildcat for all intents and purposes. There is a Marauder with a tower that shows up in the diaries twice as a 1970 with a 426 wedge.. but I don’t know if I believe it to be an actual 1970. I would have thought that it would need to be a 440 by 1970.. so what does your 70 Wildcat look like Steve and what was in it. By the time the Marauder name shows up again in the brochure record in 1973 it is clearly a different boat/hull… the diary record would indicate that hull goes back at least as early as 71 and was available with a number of different engine options from various manufacturers and even a hardtop. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 1:03am
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Wow Joe, Nice "article"! In usual 60's CC fashion, no ryhme or reason for what was standard production. My 70 Wildcat was purchased as a basket case. The PO started to restore it and ended up buying another boat. Hull had been painted and has the 'spear" molded side. Deck is sanded and still needs paint. Has the fiberglass buckets seats. It came with a 318 and boxes of parts. Here are some pics..       ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 1:32am
| Nice job joe. Great info. From all I have learned the twin turbos were not on the 440 when it left Orlando in 1970. I am hoping to give the former owner a ride this summer and pick his brain a little. |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 1:36am
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Steve Lots of similarities. I do not have the vents in the sides like yours. Dash is the same as well as the wheel. That sure is a nice tach. Mine is always stuck at 4100. May have to get that checked out.
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Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 1:45am
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That's what I've always thought Bill. The turbos probably came from the Chrysler dealer/owner. An experiment that may not have proved to be sucessful. |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 1:59am
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Al My friend is a nephew of the po and says they skied behind it a lot as kids while it had the turbos. He remembers vividly using the ether can to get it started too!  The apparent demise of the 440 was a frozen block.  You seem to know a good bit of info on these hulls? If I remember from a past thread you worked on them? |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 2:54am
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Yes I did. Serviced and driven several. All of the models Joe mentions except for the Collegian. |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 10:39am
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Al If your willing to share a few stories or any info of interest, I am probably not the only one with an ear that would be thrilled to listen. Are there still a few around that you are aware of besides those on this site? Bill |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: April-10-2012 at 11:20am
Bill, I will have to keep you posted. Right now, plans are for this to be somehow gone this summer. Prefer to sell whole, but parting could be an option if no luck the other way. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-30-2023 at 9:31pm
About a month ago - some 11 years after writing the above words - I started to hear that whisper in the wind. https://ibb.co/dJFNzRG" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/n8z0J6m" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/zVvV76t" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/mGHgczK" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/dmLLJ7w" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/BC9Skvp" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/2Zj01FF" rel="nofollow">  The pictures weren’t good - there were no markings - but there was someone claiming to have an all original 427 powered 1964 marauder - in a barn where it had be preserved by the same owner since 1968. Left hand helm along with dual quad carbs would seem to indicate the 400 hp version. In the middle of home renovations and having bought a mustang in the fall that hasn’t even seen the water yet I had neither the time or funds to head 1500 miles to get another boat (or even another marauder as I have two project marauders already). But I reread the above post and I I shot my best offer- considering the info available, the 1500 mile distance, and the boat last seeing water what turns out to be around the time I was originally writing about it. I had a vacation planned a few weeks away and should the deal get done it could be extended and would be my only window to get a boat. After a couple weeks researching there was still precious little info about what a 400 hp interceptor from 1964 should look like - https://ibb.co/Kmvvkqx" rel="nofollow">  The above ad showed what appeared to be the same spark arrestor assembly and rear tube, along with similar valve covers and that gave me increasing optimism that it was an original setup. After final conversations with the grandson of the now deceased owner - all the right things were said - deposit changed hand and the trip date’s confirmed. I talked to a few fellow ccfans - Reidp and Riley who have barracudas with 427s about what tune up parts might be required, rented a truck, loaded for bear and headed out to the west end of Kansas - hoping for the best. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-30-2023 at 10:17pm
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Twenty seven hours in a truck and I arrived to find the boat - gel cote pretty rough like an early 60s boat often is, but the motor had the markings of being the real deal - and the boat was dry, solid, and minus a couple of period repairs looked good and every bit the low 400 hour time capsule it had been described. https://ibb.co/0XNYwm9" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/LxHGF8r" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/5MsPnHs" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/85ZjmGt" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/8XV4TH1" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/rxjYfGF" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/16XFVJj" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/kSYnzNr" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/chDhrNg" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/LvNXZKs" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/n1XnDC4" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/k0tnrnX" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/Jkd2VT3" rel="nofollow">  I used a camera on the cylinders- took off the valve covers, spark plugs, and distributor- then primed the oil system. Soon after I placed a bar on the crank and hoped for the best. No resistance - she rotated freely and smoothly. Once a battery was installed the starter proved to work- as did the oil pressure gauge. Compression was not uniform but considering the storage time involved- I paid the man his money and took possession. https://ibb.co/CQskzcC" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/prYty1F" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/MMZJYDR" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/PM2b5gJ" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/0jJ005w" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/rphtcVs" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/GCwqTN4" rel="nofollow">  Some new grease on the bearings and a quick install of the lights and I was on my way (new tires were installed the weekend before by the previous owners after a deal had been struck) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-30-2023 at 10:37pm
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First stop out of Garden city was to catch up with long time ccfans Paul and Kimberly Waters aka 67nautique312 https://ibb.co/TW5771q" rel="nofollow">  Where I got to check out their spread and catch a great home cooked meal Another 1200 or so miles past that I found myself on Pinkham point where I was searching out the help of Reidp and Quinner to get the old girl cleaned up and running. https://ibb.co/Y3zQPJq" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/0Yb8VVy" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/c8TBpgp" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/cN2v2BV" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/L6h7NT2" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/VmhcGbk" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/1X5X8jV" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/YdwwPHJ" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/0ZT7Gq8" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/99YV9t7" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/sRtL1nx" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/y5Jyv3F" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/qgSD8Sb" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/p1WkJCh" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/hFk0h2V" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/0FbyKxP" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/JxCCTyr" rel="nofollow">  Turns out Reid and Quinner make better mechanics than detailers - we got the boat running (no water in the engine and off gas pumped from a small container) in no time - didn’t even use any of the tune up parts. Reid and Chris did do a little paint work on some gel imperfections and another ccfan Donald80SN came by the next day to supervise the actual detailer (Hugo) and help me install some new tape waterlline stripes over the original painted ones. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-30-2023 at 10:46pm
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After that it was off to catch up to the actual planned vacation, more ccfans were to be found to lend a hand - phatsat67, Hollywood, trbenj - all lending a hand in getting an oil change, new belts and impellers before a flawless first trip https://ibb.co/PTJ2HL3" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/ZMxjb2P" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/Bzp3Ksk" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/jD6F1g6" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/5MTT1JH" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/Sd7BCj1" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/DKVy9WF" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/bBD9PWw" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/wph1Ykm" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/wc1fVLK" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/fn0ZkFg" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/Ms0VkmJ" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/B3zLbM1" rel="nofollow">  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-30-2023 at 10:59pm
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Second trip - we were joined by another ccfan Jmurph and had a slightly more eventful ride as we fed the old girl through all 8 barrels. Sadly we lost the rudder just before we were gonna break the 50mph mark and had to idle back. But it was a heck of a ride and we were able to idle back the couple miles to the dock by leaning the boat when we needed to turn. All in all a successful week - all Told a couple thousand trailer miles, almost 4 thousand total miles - and a bunch of help from friends and I got the boat home safe in time to start rudder shopping. Turns out they made at least one, it was well preserved in a barn, it cleans up nice, it is epically cool, and it is very fast. https://ibb.co/cw69sc6" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/5RZf8By" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/y5N5f0s" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/dbrPnZx" rel="nofollow">  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 8:32am
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Well done Joe. Looks like you have an awesome boat. If you get half the enjoyment I have gotten from my Marauder....it will be more than you have hoped for! I am impressed with the originality and overall condition of your new vessel. Now had you gone north to I 80 for the eastern leg of your return trip we may have been able to stare and compare and maybe even a lined up for a quick race on the water where yours certainly would have won! Enjoy the summer. ------------- 2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 9:07am
 
WoW! Good for you Joe! Than you for sharing! ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 10:50am
| Great story and photos. Phenomenal Boat. Can't wait to see it. |
Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 10:57am
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Damn Joe! That's one helluva nice boat. JQ ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 11:15am
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Good to see it in great hands Joe,could have easily ended up with the engine out and the rest in the dump as you well know. Looks to be like it was well cared for in life too. Rare to see an older CC for sale without it being full of leaves. Have you got any info on the build from the factory? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 12:11pm
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Nice find, story and end result Joe. Boat looks amazing.... Well done !! ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 5:50pm
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Well it seems that JoeinNY has returned to his alias otherwise known as Joe in Everywhere! She's a Beaut Joe and we all know that she will be well taken care of even after she had more CCFan legends hands all over her more than the hottest prostitute in Las Vegas on a Superbowl Saturday night! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 8:21pm
Wow, what a find! That must have been like actually spotting Bigfoot after hearing the legends of such a rare beast for many years. Was it conventionally advertised or did you hear about it through the CC grapevine? And not only does it exist, it appears to be in pretty extraordinary condition. Really like the console and controls. And sounds like a pretty epic road trip as well. What happened to the rudder? Since the boat didnt sink (wouldnt that have been a real kick in the shorts after finding it) I assumed you meant the linkage, but it appears you are on the hunt for a new rudder, so it must have been the rudder. Did it break at the bottom of the shaft?
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-01-2023 at 9:38pm
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It was advertised on the Facebook, eventually on craigslist, and eBay so there was a fair amount of eyeballs on it, most offers however were for the engine. The rudder port showed evidence of a prior hard hit - my fault for assuming the rudder had been replaced when it likely had been repaired and badly. The upper part of the shaft did stay in the port and so there was no sinking. https://ibb.co/HxXNJSj" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/JxXVpS2" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/QD27gwf" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/YhTRryk" rel="nofollow">  https://imgbb.com/" rel="nofollow - secure image hosting So that’s good - did a little checking in the barn and apparently the style rudder and port was used on 19 and 20 Ft boats from 63 to 70 at least(meridian blue marauder is making a donation)- looks like by like the later marauders (white one on right) there was the recessed port and newer style rudder https://ibb.co/Qp6Jvtq" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/st1YvBd" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/h2xHSxW" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/H7crX68" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/QkqCVTj" rel="nofollow">  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 6:57am
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Sweet ride Joe. You are going to enjoy the heck out of that thing ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 7:34am
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Thanks Joe, for stepping up and saving her it’s a great boat
many will now see and admire one of Correct Craft’s coolest boats and well before
fiberglass Riva in 69 that don’t come close. A great start to the week after a bank holiday.. but I am jealous
now. ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 10:09am
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Got curious, so started digging. Was this one of those early whispers? (click on second half only...for some reason) %3ca%20href=" rel="nofollow - Special Interest Boat For Sale - CorrectCraftFan.com Forums "> https://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=637&title=special-interest-boat-for-sale" rel="nofollow - Special Interest Boat For Sale - CorrectCraftFan.com Forums ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 11:48am
I doubt it would have been the same boat - as this one never needed a complete restoration- and was owned by an Albert at that time who thought it was the greatest boat ever and in pristine shape- although one can never tell- so perhaps more than one is out there - or it was just a scammer offering a unicorn to get a response. Before my ccfan days either way. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 2:48pm
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That's a great story Joe, enjoyed it and especially all the pictures. Very cool find. It's possible you need a bigger barn .... ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 3:09pm
| That is about as cool as it gets right there, glad it ended up in the right hands. There can't be too many unique boats like that left hiding in barns. |
Posted By: 67 ski nat
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 6:55pm
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Beautiful. Amazing story Thanks for pictures |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: May-02-2023 at 7:12pm
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Joe, She is truly a special boat and a true time capsule. It got into the right guy's hands to keep in its glory for many more years to come. I feel grateful that I got to see this special boat in person. Donald ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Holman Moody |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 11:10am
https://ibb.co/4WyJPSN" rel="nofollow"> Definitely looks like this rudder was previously repaired and living on borrowed time… as brought up by Larry separately we are still down several brochures- including the 1965 stuff that had the best description of this boat and options. I would be happy to pay for a hard copy of that documentation or even any recovered electronic versions- anyone? https://ibb.co/LNmjgw1" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/6Jy12Xw" rel="nofollow">  https://500pxdownload.com/" rel="nofollow - instagram picture extractor ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 12:29pm
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Question on the engine ... so it's a 427 FE with higher compression than the other models, but I'm surprised they could get to 400 hp just with the compression. Any other mods to it besides the dual carbs? I saw a few posts referencing that the engines were also put in Higgins, also with a no-warranty clause. Any idea how much hp the 1:1 transmissions can handle? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 1:20pm
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I know you said you had a donor rudder in your garage already, but a high performance boat like that warrants a high performance rudder, so here you go. You can thank me later. https://imgbb.com/" rel="nofollow">  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 1:31pm
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Be harder to figure out how they only got 325 out of the other 427 interceptor offered that year. 63-64 427s were rated in cars at 425 with duals and 410 with a single. Later marine 427s were rated at 300hp but were lower compression and used the 352 heads. This motor has the low port 427 heads that would have been expected for 64 in the car or crate engines, likely low to mid 11s compression, solid lifter cam, dual point distributor, etc to support good torque and the ability to carry it higher into the revs. It’s a short stroke engine so rpm is it’s friend. The transmission is limited by torque and good for 595 ft lbs in this application- this motor would likely be under 480. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 2:04pm
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Thanks, I'll do some more Ford FE reading so I can better understand all that. If compression is 11 plus, can you even run on 93 octane? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 7:50pm
https://youtu.be/W5BgPtNpv4I https://youtu.be/J-Dh0BBrClM https://youtu.be/NueNidWk5Z0 It seems to run - seriously it does seem to run, you have to watch it and run on 93 - I’m adding a bit of lead replacement additive for valve wear purposes- so far haven’t touched the tune and haven’t heard any pinging. I will put a modem prop on it which will have it under less Load - but it’s a watch and see situation. If I denote any hints I’d detonation there will be some timing pulled out and/or jets increased- but I suspect it’ll run on 93 ok. There is a similar compression 413 Chrysler in my Wildcat and it’s taken all the 93 octane abuse you can imagine- including teenagers who don’t pay for the gas ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 8:14pm
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Well - no brochure’s but the trade magazines of the time have some record of the availability of the boat - as well as race results from other boat manufacturers running 400hp interceptors- including Don Aronow capturing overall victory’s in a twin engine formula https://ibb.co/8zft6Sh" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/tcjpcCt" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/HhQCKpw" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/fvVh7pg" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/4m80kNv" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/t33jRTH" rel="nofollow">  https://imgbb.com/" rel="nofollow - share images ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: May-03-2023 at 9:01pm
| $8565 was huge money in 1965. I believe a loaded 1965 427 Corvette was in the $5s. and a price sheet I have of a 427 Shelby Cobra in 1967 was about $6500. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 12:22pm
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Loved watching the videos. Sounds perfect to me, what an amazing boat you have there. Tried
to stop the on-plane video and see the gauges. The Airguide seemed to
be working, only said 20 so maybe you were more like 25 mph? Tach must
be off, I think only reading a bit over 1000 rpm, though sounded like
the engine was just purring along holding it on plane. Can't wait to
see you wind that thing up with the new rudder and prop. I
sold a boat last summer, find I'm just using the '98 Sport and never
getting in the other ones in recent years. Watching this gives me a
hankering for another classic! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 12:46pm
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I like these big boats (19 and 20 footers) for classic cruisers - this one maybe a bit too nice for everyday teenager, swimming, parasail pulling, bring the dog along use - but I have been using the wildcat for that type of use for the last 5 years or so and it is well suited to it. My 196 really only gets cruising use when the heater is needed. These are still flat bottom boats but the extra freeboard and flared bows allow a drier ride over the mustangs/cudas/ski nautiques. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 12:57pm
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I have barely used my '63 over the past years, in fact haven't kept it up the way I should. I've thought about moving on from it, kind of part of the family but if I put it in the water it gets a few trips, we enjoy it and get some nice waves from people, but that's it. Too small and limited for anything but an evening cruise. So I've thought about exactly what you have, a 19' or larger. If you remember I was really interested in your 426 as such an unusual setup, but this one of course takes the cake. For a while I thought about a Dominique just to get the advantage of the V-hull, but doesn't compare to the Wildcat etc. from a style standpoint. I guess for now I'll just keep thinking about it.  ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 2:31pm
Very cool boat....and a Buckskin Beauty sighting to boot!
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 3:17pm
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This Boat and the Buckskin Beauty next to it with a twin turbo big block Chrysler would be the long term goal to achieve early earthen toned fiberglass nirvana ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-04-2023 at 3:46pm
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If ever there was a retro era setup rolling down the highway, that would be it. Just need a surfboard on top of the van, maybe some bellbottom jeans. And I'd strongly consider painting a flower onto the hood and tailgate of the van. Slap some Grateful Dead into the 8-track and roll on down the road! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: May-05-2023 at 9:34am
YES!! ------------- 2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski |
Posted By: samudj01
Date Posted: May-05-2023 at 10:57am
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This is awesome. And it went to a perfect home. In all hobbies there are unicorns and you found one in the correct craft world. So cool. I hope to see it someday! ------------- 78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409 Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 10:34am
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I did some fighting with the rudder port to get it out - biggest issue was previous hits had made the portion extending past the hull too big and misshapen to remove. In the end I had to cut it flush and eventually saws all through the center of the tube to make it go through with minimal hammering. Pictures show getting it to the driveway and eventually completed with replacement port and rudder, I also aligned the motor/trans, added a two piece shaft collar, and swapped to an acme 431 13x13 lh prop from the 13x17 federal that was on there. As a result of the prop change - the front seat pulled out of the floor - so rusty screws had to be replaced with more and bigger screws. Still not a 50mph boat but as close as it gets. Did put a few hours on the boat between Saturday night and Sunday - so it’s up to 440 now so about 7.5 per year on average. See if we can’t get that to double digits by the time she’s 62. https://ibb.co/TTQm6dV" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/yh662r0" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/h87S2XL" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/CK4wj61" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/7RjSZNR" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/MGDzghV" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/7ysXw2F" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/7zbyzjH" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/p1nZJ20" rel="nofollow">  https://imgbb.com/" rel="nofollow - picture host site ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 12:15pm
| Any idea how many RPMs at 49.9? |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 12:58pm
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No idea what rpm - sounds like https://youtube.com/shorts/9mSyLa61gIc?feature=share ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 2:30pm
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I think by the site bylaws you can round 49.9 up to 50 and call it a 50 mph boat. That sounds great, and pretty well wound out. With that speed and prop would have to be in the 5000's, wouldn't it? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 3:45pm
| Sounds good and happy |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 4:56pm
I’ve got no reason to round up - this one is just my money not my design or my perspiration - but I would have thought for the amount of effort and cost they put in in 64 it would be 52ish. That speed and prop the bfn guys tell me would be 4990 rpm. The wildcat with analogous prop runs 46 ish at 4800 ish rpm iirc - that might mean this is closer to 5200 than 4990. I would be happy with that - anything under 5k and i probably need to at least try a tube up. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 6:06am
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Well in the immortal words of Austin Powers......... Yeah BAAABAY YEAH!!!!  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: Mpost
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 8:45am
Sounds really sweeeeet  https://youtube.com/shorts/9mSyLa61gIc?feature=share" rel="nofollow - https://youtube.com/shorts/9mSyLa61gIc?feature=share ------------- 84 SN Sold 98 SN Lund Pro V 1975 Alumacraft |
Posted By: 67 ski nat
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 8:27pm
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Damn that’s impressive Sir Sounds Phat Lucky dawg |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: May-12-2023 at 7:08pm
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Late to the party here. I can personally attest that the solid lifter symphony of the 427 is quite the noise to behold. Thanks to Joe for giving it the next home it deserved and for letting me wrench and ride. It’s every bit as beautiful in person as it looks in photos. We splashed it with cautious optimism as all it seemed to need after a long long lay up was fuel, battery, and impellers. At the ramp it cold started with no pumps and immediately made all the right noises. An easy ride back to the dock to warm up and an oil change later we were ready for the first real ride and I was lucky enough to make the first real ride list. We took off for easy cruise and as it all warmed up we tipped the first carb open and it sounded great. Joe said “he was going to take it easy” but the allure of big block Ford fed by 8 barrels of AFB was too much and there we were, an untouched 59 year old dual quad 11:1 427 at WFO. The noises it makes as all 8 come online are nothing short of magical. I’ll never know what 1964 felt like but I’m pretty sure that’s as close as I’ll get. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-12-2023 at 9:53pm
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Well done Joe. Now I have another unicorn for you to find. There was a discussion over on FB the other day about 176s and in one of the old references Jody Seal mentioned one 176 with a python. Go.
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 6:41am
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Thanks for the comments all- the boat has been running good and is enjoying being the first boat in the water this year. I got a tach on it the others day for reference and it idles smoothly at just under 600 rpm https://youtube.com/shorts/or-GYvPX4KM?feature=share - sorry I can’t make links on my phone. Sitting at full speed for a couple seconds will get the RPM to 5010 or 5020 rpm with the 431. No info on what the rpm should be for this package- but it’s somewhere between 4200 and 5800 plus or minus 200. It runs pretty good with this prop so it’ll probably stay on until It’s owner needs it back. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 7:02am
I might need 10-15 years - hopefully the current owner has it well stored ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 10:52am
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/or-GYvPX4KM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/or-GYvPX4KM HA! Youtube (or whoever) got the caption right, didnt they. https://ibb.co/bNnWVrq" rel="nofollow">  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: bwinn
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 12:11pm
| Those seats look comfy! |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: July-05-2023 at 11:17pm
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Had them both out of the hoist at the same time on the 4th - and snapped some photos different but the same.. https://ibb.co/KwNQCyb" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/RHrQz5v" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/hVwt9XQ" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/r6gbBZ4" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/g4JMMTs" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/m831nk4" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/ZH2Ypzp" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/Lzj6mGz" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/WtxjdJg" rel="nofollow">  https://ibb.co/S5NY9qm" rel="nofollow">  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: July-06-2023 at 6:27am
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So very nice. Incredible Joe ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: July-06-2023 at 8:30am
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Now sometime we need to get "Big Red" in the middle of that picture! They both look great Joe! ------------- 2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-06-2023 at 9:32am
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magnificent, thank you for sharing! ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: July-06-2023 at 9:53am
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Calendar worthy ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: July-06-2023 at 10:15am
Talk about a Woody!  That my friend is the CC definition of Cool! Yes, Yes and Yes on a calendar pic. Make it happen!------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: July-07-2023 at 4:54pm
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One of them has the steering wheel on the wrong side. I'm not going to say which one though.  Those make a great pair on the water together, have to sound even more amazing.
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