1965 Mustang
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Topic: 1965 Mustang
Posted By: watermanres
Subject: 1965 Mustang
Date Posted: October-24-2007 at 11:53pm
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Hello,
I'm on the market for my first classic ski boat and on my way to check out a 1965 Mustang, supposedly in use all season this year. Any thoughts on a checklist for this boat? I know the obvious things to look for, such as rusty coolers, evidence of water in the hull, bad wiring, rotten decks, rotten floors, etc. Supposedly its been repowered with some sort of six cyl. and there is a gray 327 also available. Maybe someone could point me in the direction of a page to identify the different trans. I might find when i look in the box, maybe with the pros and cons of each? The seller is asking 1800 obo, but I'd rather not go through the trouble of a complete repower in the first year. I will post pics when i get them via email tommorrow. mike |
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Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 12:32am
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Here is a good posting on what to look for . Look under david f post.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7477&KW=check+list - check list ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 11:09am
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thanks pat, thats a big help
mike |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 11:24am
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Mike, You mentioned a different trans. Fill me in. Does the 6 have a manual or is it a older hydraulic? What's on the Gray V8? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 12:00pm
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still haven't recieved the pics from seller.. will post the pics when i get them...i assume that because the repower is a ford and the other is an AMC gray 327 the boat will probably have some sort of mod on it. might still be the old BW or might be some other... Any info on this ford inline six? I know the old 300 a little bit from ford trucks, was this marinized and used in these boats? thanks in advance for any info..
mike |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 12:15pm
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Mike, Welcome to the site, Watermanres...would that be the one in Rhode Island? ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 12:34pm
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J, The Ford 6's that Interceptor was maninizing in the mid 60's would be the 144, 170 and the 221 CI. They all could of had a mechanical Paragon or a hydraulic BW, Dearbomatic or even a early Paragon. Hard to say without a year or some ID numbers. All were basicly good trans's. Some parts may be hard to find but they are rebuildable. Our site trans expert (it's his line of work) Eric is about to take a look at one of our members Dearbomatic. I would say the Gray 327 will have a Velvet on it unless it is a early flywheel forward. Get the pictures up so we all can take a look. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 3:06pm
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Alan,
Yes, waterman lake/res. in Chepatchet, RI. Are you in RI as well? Pete, Thats good to hear that they are all basically servicable. I have used both paragon and borg trans in other applications, but never in a ratio like one to one. I guess all the same checks would apply, ie. fluid color/texture, condition of hoses, leaks, smoothness of shift, funny noises, etc. How about stuffing boxes and cutless bearings? Rudderstock thruhull? of course I will check for water damage to stringers and floors in this area, but if there is is the gland repackable/rebuildable? thanks for the advice.. mike |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-25-2007 at 3:30pm
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Mike, you have mentioned parts that are very sevicable except the wood stringers. They too are sevicable but more involved. Lots here on the site have gone through the replacement and there are some great threads on it. Don't limit youself to one "area" when looking for rot. It can be any place. If it has never been done on a 65, I'll bet you will find some unless the boat has never seen water! Just warning you. The Gray V8 may not be a original engine because 65 or 66 is about the time they went under. I can't remember the exact year.
Yes, I'm sorry that I didn't welcome you to a fantastic site. Lots of good people with plenty of knowledge. Welcome! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-27-2007 at 7:51pm
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Mike, have you heard anything back from the seller? He hasnt responded to my email. ------------- |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-28-2007 at 12:43am
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Me neither, I suspect that the boat has sold. Oh well, the search continues. Thanks to all for the good tips....
Mike |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-28-2007 at 9:34pm
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Tim,
Got a callback today regarding this boat. I think its the one in Milford thats for sale in the diaries, last update in July. Owner says that he took the carb off to have it rebuilt, suspects the accelerator pump is going. I wouldn't know except that its not quite right. If its this boat it probably not a repower as originally thought. Any thoughts on carbs from interceptor sixes? thanks Mike |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 2:16pm
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OK, Lesson Learned......
If it sounds too good.... First the good parts. 1. has title, key in some states 2. original trailer in good/fair shape 3. steering gear seems straight. the bad.. 1. crummy repaint, many sags 2. crazy homegrown repower, jeep gas pedals integrated into engine mounts!!! 3. above doesn't really matter, as one of the freeze plugs came out in my hand... 4. no easy way to ascertain which gear is in the boat, as all markings hsve been ground off and I've never seen this particular type before, not BW or Paragon as far as i can tell. no obvious way to check fluid. 5. deck punky around perimeter, would need to be replaced, stringers completely glassed in over bolts. here are the pics: 
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 2:35pm
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Mike, It's a later Paragon trans.(the last of the mechanicals) From what you have described, I would walk on this one unless you want to spend lots of time and money on a proper restoral. The winshield isn't even correct but I did notice that in the diary. Now you may not even have to worry about the carb! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: watermanres
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 2:59pm
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Pete,
Yeah i already decided to walk away from this one. As always, if it sounds to good, it probably is. Some one with more time and energy will have to attempt this restore. Any idea what this engine is? It looks to me to be the same as http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8827&PN=1 - this 54 skier thanks for all the great advice Mike |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 3:12pm
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The 140, 170 and 221 were all based off the same block and it may be any one of those. It sure looks like the same, but without any numbers on the engine it's hard to say. There are so many non original things on the boat(the engine is the biggest) that it really is hard to say. The only thing for sure is the 90 degree elbow and side draft carb have been replaced with the down draft.
Edit: Mike, FYI just in case you run into another Paragon mechanical. I just noticed you mentioned there wasn't a place to check the fluid. They ran engine oil and it is integral to the engine oil sump. In fact, if you want to do a real good oil change on them, you remove the inspection cover from the trans and suck a extra quart out!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: georgie
Date Posted: June-15-2008 at 8:09pm
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YES,she needs alittle work and theres a few things that are mickey moused,but still presentable.i'm not saying this would be the way to go if your doiing a full restoration,it's not,but for the $1200 ipaid for it ,its's all worth it.she's in the water and we love it.i was so glad to hear the forum and the info all of you had.the previus owner was of no help.i'm sure after a long boring winter she'll look a little better. thanks again
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Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: June-16-2008 at 1:16am
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So the way I understand it is that you bought the above orange boat ? ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: georgie
Date Posted: June-17-2008 at 9:37am
| yup!! |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: June-17-2008 at 5:47pm
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Cograts Welcome to the site. I hope you have many seasons of fun with her. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |