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Topic: Hi-Tek Group Buy!!!!!
Posted By: MarineSRT8
Subject: Hi-Tek Group Buy!!!!!
Date Posted: September-03-2007 at 1:36am
I have been in contact with Doc over the past few weeks about getting a set of Hi-Teks and he said the best way to go about it is to do a group buy. So with that being said is there anyone out there who wants to get in on the group buy. He needs at least four more besides me........?

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-Pres. Ronald Reagan-






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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-03-2007 at 10:30am
i think you late to the party...i know they just had one a few months ago...


Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-03-2007 at 1:11pm
hes talking about a new one I suspect

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1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video


Posted By: MarineSRT8
Date Posted: September-03-2007 at 2:26pm
I am if anyone is interested

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"Some people go an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. Marines don't have that problem"

-Pres. Ronald Reagan-





Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 12:43am
MarineSRT8

I wish you luck on the group buy, I think everyone that wanted hi-teks right now has them. But you never know, also Allen will be going into his summer months soon, not sure what kind of deal he will give.

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Posted By: jdkenyon
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 1:59pm
I am interested but it will have to wait until next year before I have the extra cash.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-06-2007 at 7:21pm
need a blower group buy..go for the gusto!


Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:09pm
Just a bump on the group buy as I saw another person request a price on the hiteks. I am leaning towards picking up a pair myself if a deal comes together now or in the spring. I figure if they don't work out for the 83 because of noise or valve cover interfearence they can always find a home in the 67.

-Joe.


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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video


Posted By: kelpomatic
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:14pm
any idea on the estimated cost for these gems?


Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:16pm
depends on number in the buy, shipping costs and finish type (powder vs polished) but a rough estimate is 1300 to 1800.. the doc will be closer on it ...

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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video


Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:23pm
Those that are interested need to give me an idea of finish, engine type, and riser size.Allen will be at the Miami Boat Show in Oct. S/S costs have risen out the roof, so the new prices will reflect the change.
The group buy will be the most cost effective foe all involved..........................boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:26pm
Joe, I have a set in stock to fit your stroker with the tall valve covers. They are a little wide for a stock 302 engine box.Will possibly fit great on a 351 ...boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:59pm
I like the set 87bfnowner got. Are those polished stainless?

Doc, I like to know high and low prices. What material and finish are they at their least and most expensive? Ballpark?

This would be easier after property tax and Christmas...

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"It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO


Posted By: kelpomatic
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:29pm
i am interested in getting a quote for a set of high, non polished, (or the least expensive) for a 351w


Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:35pm
Doc,
   Let me know the specifics and could you provide a picture of the mounting flange showing the bolt up location and port with a ruler in it. The heads on the 408 have relatively large, rectangular, and low ports in relation to stock ford heads his stock mntg flange design might not line up well, but I could tell with a good picture and a scale.
-Joe.

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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video


Posted By: jdkenyon
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:48pm
I am looking for the lowest cost option as well. This will be for the 351W

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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1955 - 94 Ski Nautique


Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 4:05pm
SBFord polished/2000.00 shipped to your door
SBFord Painted /1850.00 shipped to your door
above are 3.0 in. outlet /pcm clones...
BBChevy polished/2500.00 shipped to your door
BBChevy painted /2250.00 shipped to your door
Above are 3.5 in. outlet

These are for the PCM clones, slight mods are needed to bolt on,hoses, dipstick tube etc.
The Austalian dollar fluctuates with our dollar,once we have a confirmed order and money sent,we will not have a increase in purchase price,
Customs fee will be shared by all,got hung up last time and we had to eat the difference.
Shipments are randomly held ,some go right thru, some are held for ransom. go figure..........boat dr


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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

SBFord polished/2000.00 shipped to your door
SBFord Painted /1850.00 shipped to your door
above are 3.0 in. outlet /pcm clones...

You may know this Doc, but I believe the HO 351w (ProBoss/GT40) had 3.5" risers.

Out of curiousity, is there any pricing difference between the 3" and 3.5" outlet?

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Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 6:11pm
Doc,
I know this is kind of a crazy question, but here it goes. At one point, I thought you mentioned that HiTeks can be made for any engine. What about my Gray Marine/AMC/Rambler 327?

They would have to be log style because of engine cover height restrictions.

Possible? Realistic?

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Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:13pm
Raindog

The hi-teks can be made for any motor. Allen would need a pic of your set up. From personal experience if you can be with out one of your manifolds and risers, send them to Allen so he can make a jig and fab a set that fits just like the stock ones.

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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 8:50pm
Steve the short of your question.
YES
NO
The cost would be ????? will find out tho, send me pics of the set up you have on you motor now and will send them to Allen..................boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 8:52pm
Joe, can you give me a part number on the manifold gasket you use with those trick heads,that will be easier on my end..............boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 1:07am
just a question for you guys....try to make this short..instead of putting 2 k into some manifolds, why not drop another 1k and get a blower or turbo ...seems like you guys want performance..well it doesnt get any better than a blower or turbo...?...

#2-these boats you guys have, do you guys plan on keeping them forever? seems like you would never get out what you got into them.



Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 3:06am
Rhyn, just an answer for you,You ain't got a f--kin' clue as to what happens in real life.
Some things are not for sale,not my kids not a lot of things in my life.Money is to used to buy things. If you are in this thing for the dollar return , you my boy need to find a new hobby. If by chance you are into this for the happiness and the satifaction of having a unique ride, into which you can throw tons of money and not worry about the receipts, or the scouls from your mate then you have found a home.
Either way you are with us and you feel my pain or you are apart from us and I feel sorry for you and your loss....boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 6:42pm
Boat doc

Easy, some just don't enjoy spending money on shiny boat parts that do have a function. I agree their are parts that will ad more performance for less money.

Ryan
It's all in what your looking for. I have them on my BFN. No one here is pushing these manifolds down anyones throughts. If more people want to buy let them. There have been enough posts about other HP bolt on for them to make an educated choice as to what to buy. Plus some people are not comfortable with mods other then direct bolt on replacements.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 9:07pm
billy- settle down....all i was trying to say is why not spend 1K more and actually get some PERFORMANCE out of it.from what you wrote, it seems like some of you guys like "souping" up the old boats...which is totally cool bill..just if myself was gonna pay 2K it better have a significant hp increase.from what i read the hi teks arent doing that..was curious to see why noone has thrown a blower or turbo on one..as far as money im sure i spend every bit, in reality im sure a lot more cheaddar on watersports..you like to dress up the engine, i like to dress up myself in the latest wake/ski gear/ stereo gear..wasnt trying to diss the hi teks at all bill, just a question! .i will admitt i dont know half of what you guys know on here and learn by asking questions..again bill, im sorry you took this as in insult it seems..


Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 9:12pm
In my case, I can't get replacement manifolds and I think mine might be shot. Old ones are hard to find in good shape. If mine can't be repaired, what else can I do?

It is not always about shiny bits and HP gains, but if I get some, all the better.



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Posted By: MarineSRT8
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 4:38am
Ryan the manifolds are for already high performance engines. you dont go out and put these on a brand new boat or one that has had nothing done to it. yes your right if your set up is mediocre to novice then no performance will be held to sound and "wow thats cool" from your buddies. But if your are building a serious motor then these are needed to let it breath like it should.

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"Some people go an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. Marines don't have that problem"

-Pres. Ronald Reagan-





Posted By: kelpomatic
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 12:39pm
for me the draw is STAINLESS, as my boat is in the ocean, but i cannot justify the expense, so i will not buy them, they do have alot of bling!


Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 2:14pm
I saw them on 87's BFN and figured, I need those on mine. But I think I need to figure out how to get some "easier" HP's first.

Ryan, my mechanic is chompin at the bit to install a blower on my engine. I don't know if this is feasible but I will find out.

Lefty

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Play hard, life's not a trial run.
'85 BFN
'90 BFN



White Lake, Michigan



Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by tullfooter tullfooter wrote:

Ryan, my mechanic is chompin at the bit to install a blower on my engine. I don't know if this is feasible but I will find out.

I imagine it would be, though a reverse rotation motor will make it a little more tricky.

A turbo, on the other hand, would be a heck of a project to make work. Not sure how you would install one on a wet exhaust system.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

A turbo, on the other hand, would be a heck of a project to make work. Not sure how you would install one on a wet exhaust system.


apparently RA (more like DA) does, ask him

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Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by RainDog RainDog wrote:

In my case, I can't get replacement manifolds and I think mine might be shot. Old ones are hard to find in good shape. If mine can't be repaired, what else can I do?


Steve, See this link from Barr. Have you already checked these and they're not available? I know some of the Chrysler Poly 318 manifolds are shown but not in production currently. I didn't know if this was the case with your Gray AMC's or not.

http://barrmarine.net/wordpress/graymarine-fireball-v8/ - http://barrmarine.net/wordpress/graymarine-fireball-v8/

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 10:49pm
douche bag-(hollywood)...why dont you read from the start and you can answear that one yourself...anyways i just asked, didnt know it wasnt possible, stated im not to savy on motors


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 10:51pm
actually if you look online theres many turbocharged boats...google turbocharged boats


Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: September-12-2007 at 10:52pm
Rhyan wa are starting to see that......................boat dr

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 12:01am
what gives you more power a turbo or a blower?..just curious


Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 12:06am
it not which gives you more power it's when the power comes on turbo on a boat isn't really the best route.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 2:15am
anything's possible, comes down to practicality in a ski boat. go work on your stereo.

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Posted By: MarineSRT8
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 9:07am
Ryan you just have to take into account a turbo charger depends on exhaust pressure to spool up and will have lag in the RPMs where you really need the power in a ski boat...and with a blower you will have instant boost BUT of course a blower puts a drag on the motor because the crank is what spools it. If you could possibly run a twin REALLY REALLY small turbo set up (the reason I say reall small is because with littler turbos you catch boost a lot faster) it would be a possibility in a ski boat. I would think a fuel injected computer controlled system woul be about the only way considering the fact you would need to have complete control of your boost.....


Your looking at a LOT more money for a turbo set up for this kind of boat....Go with a srew

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-Pres. Ronald Reagan-





Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 10:31am
Originally posted by reidp reidp wrote:


Steve, See this link from Barr.


Thanks Reid, but no dice. Just got an answer back from them.

I think I was told that Barr had a fire and the molds for the Gray 327 were destroyed. With limited demand, they havn't made new tooling.

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 11:14am
Originally posted by RainDog RainDog wrote:

Originally posted by reidp reidp wrote:


Steve, See this link from Barr.


I think I was told that Barr had a fire and the molds for the Gray 327 were destroyed. With limited demand, they havn't made new tooling.


I may be in the same boat when the time comes for new ones on my 312! And the originals are aluminum so that time will come! Has anyone ever used one of the custom casting firms that will duplicate? I'm sure big $$$.

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/diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 7:24pm
thanks for all the advice guys...do any of you guys no anyone with a ski boat who had a blower by any chance?


Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-13-2007 at 7:51pm
You can do a search here and you will find pics of both a twin turbo century and a supercharged nautique or two that were used in the ski fly a couple years back that probably didn't make production. They were however not reverse rotation.


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1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video


Posted By: 68sklylark
Date Posted: October-03-2007 at 12:45am
Boat Doc,

Thanks for the time you spent talking with me last month. I still may be interested in Hi Teks for our Skylark, but are currently working on some replacement cast maniflods we found.

We are going to try to keep the boat as stock as possible, that means we will be keeping the 300 Buick in it as long as po$$ible.

Thanks again,

Keith McIntyre


Posted By: 68sklylark
Date Posted: October-04-2007 at 12:36am
Boat Dr,

We worked on the manifolds today. We are in for Hi-Teks.
Let me me know if this deal happens.

Keith
586-531-5513
ksmcintyre@centurytel.net




Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 3:10pm
Boat doc and anyone else that was thinking of getting a set of hi-teks. Has everyone that was thinking about getting a set got them, or are you waiting for the right amount of people? Boat Doc would you still be willing to up us out and get another group buy from Allen if there is enough interest even though your not going to be ordering a set this time?

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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 4:46pm
Jim, after the issues I had with Allen,even though he made it right,I will bail on this offer.
Not enough sugar for the nickel...........

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/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 5:30pm
Doc, I can not say I blame you. But can you blame me for asking. If I decide to get another set, which I am leaning towards. I am thinking I will send him one of my manifolds and risers right from the get this time. Plus with the issues we had last time I think I deserve a little something from him price wise.

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Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

Jim, after the issues I had with Allen,even though he made it right,I will bail on this offer.
Not enough sugar for the nickel...........


I don't remember you guys having issues, what did I miss? Was it fitment, service, quality, delivery? I need to do something eventually with my exhaust and these have been in the back of my mind for a while.

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Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 7:38pm
Alan

The finished product was great both times. The first set sent to me would not fit under the engine cover. After quite a few phone conversations between the boat doc and I, Allen and I and the boat doc and Allen, all problems were solved. I ended up sending him my manifold and he made a jig with it. For the purposes of you engine Alan I don't think you will have any problems. Allens only issue was, that he is used to having all kinds of room. He had not dealt with are limited space under our engine covers before. The only other issue was the promise of when the new set of manifolds would get to my house. They were a few days late, but as you saw they made it to GL. I would get another set from him, with out worry. The boat doc, I believe just does not want to be caught in the middle. He felt responsible for the manifolds until everyone was happy. I thank him greatly for that. He assisted me quite a bit in getting a proper fitting set of manifolds.

Sorry about the long post.

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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: October-29-2007 at 8:15pm
Alan, just a side note to the above post.
Reid's set would not fit either, tooo wide also, the story was he built a set for the tall valve covers and did not change the jig. As with 87 the problem was resolved and everyone pleased.
But I will not get into the middle of that situation again,Australia phone calls are 15.00 per minute.Boat Dr. sold the manifolds at cost as a favor for all involved.So on the next order it will be a one on one with Allen.
I too had a small problem with mine , but not grave enough to send back to be refitted, the anode fitting on the starboard was to the front and not on the rear . You can drain ALL THE WATER ON PORT, but on STARBOARD YOU WILL LEAVE ABOUT 2" OF WATER IN THE MANIFOLD.....

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boat dr

/diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart
/diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier


Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-30-2007 at 10:58am
Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

I too had a small problem with mine , but not grave enough to send back to be refitted, the anode fitting on the starboard was to the front and not on the rear . You can drain ALL THE WATER ON PORT, but on STARBOARD YOU WILL LEAVE ABOUT 2" OF WATER IN THE MANIFOLD.....

Just a quick note here- not a single issue with mine. I guess Im the lucky one in the group.

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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: October-31-2007 at 3:42pm
Tim,

Any winter plans for the '90? Are you going to do more mods to the engine? If you've already posted any ideas or plans, I apologize for playing catch up.

Ken

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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001


Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-31-2007 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Nautique2001 Nautique2001 wrote:

Tim,

Any winter plans for the '90? Are you going to do more mods to the engine? If you've already posted any ideas or plans, I apologize for playing catch up.

Ken

Other than some minor cleanup, Ive got nothing planned for the '90. Ive got to see how many footers it will pull before I add any more power. Gonna try and get a group of 6 or 7 together in the spring to wring it out. It pulled 2 of us (combined 400+ lbs) at 45mph a few weeks ago.

The Tique will be getting all my attention instead. If everything works out, its getting traded for another project boat in the spring.

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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: October-31-2007 at 5:54pm
Tim, make sure you take pictures of your progress with the Tique. I'm interested to see what you're doing and how you're doing it. Should be a cool little hot rod for somebody. If it's anything like Larry's, full steam will be 50+ MPH.

I love the torque in the '90. That thing must rip you right out of the hole. Can the pylon take the stress of 6 or 7 footers?

Ken



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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001


Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-31-2007 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by Nautique2001 Nautique2001 wrote:

Tim, make sure you take pictures of your progress with the Tique. I'm interested to see what you're doing and how you're doing it. Should be a cool little hot rod for somebody. If it's anything like Larry's, full steam will be 50+ MPH.

I love the torque in the '90. That thing must rip you right out of the hole. Can the pylon take the stress of 6 or 7 footers?

I should have taken some "before" pics when I first bought it. The engine is assembled now and running, and I buffed the deck out- so its already starting to look better. Ill take some pics of the structural work- mostly so the new owner appreciates what went into it. I expect the thing to top out right around 50 when its done. Sadly, thats faster than the '90- not bad for a stock 302.

I figure since Brad's tall pylon didnt budge with 4 of us pulling from it, a few more wont hurt mine. The taller tow point adds to the stress, but the connection to the bow eye helps relieve some too.

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