Hi Teks ,,Worth the Hype or Waste ?
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Topic: Hi Teks ,,Worth the Hype or Waste ?
Posted By: the goose
Subject: Hi Teks ,,Worth the Hype or Waste ?
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 4:30am
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Recently came across some money that can be used on the boat, thinking of getting the HI Tek manifold /riser often spoken of by the " Boat Dr".
I have also seen some negativity towards them here on this board.Saying that they are simply not worth the money My question is simple,,,, If you had the money would you get them ? ,, and if you already have them did they really make that much of a difference for the buck. I want to " steer" my boat away from stock and spruce up the motor the hi teks seems like a good place to start Looking forward to your comments Regards The Goose 
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Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 4:57am
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Goose...I can't comment on the performance , however , they look bad to the bone! The looks alone almost justify the price...if the performance is a plus...yeah...go for it! ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 4:59am
Oh yeah..one more thing! They are quite nicely polished...so you won't have to spend time keeping them shiny....that time saved can be well spent somewhere else ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 5:25am
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The 1500 dollar question! If I had a stock motor and 1500 bucks to spend, I would get a set of heads an intake a cam and a new prop and I would still have 500 bucks left to take my gurl out to dinner with...but thats just me.
Good luck with the, Hi-price-teks! ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 10:28am
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MM....dinner and then the hilton hotel and maybe she would even invite a friend,
The hi-teks are like the icing on a cake, you take care of everything else performance wise and mechanically, then you top it off with the hi-teks, dollar for dollar on the performance end you go after engine up grades and if you have money left over you install some hi-teks, you dont want to install these on a tired engine ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: the goose
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 4:23pm
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Thanks Maxx and Eric,
I am not sure if my engine is quite tired "yet". The compression is great on it still and it runs strong,, I am interested in the heads,,, those would be the gt40 "p" version people are taking about? Cam sounds good as well however my access to a mechanic with marine experience is proving difficult to find, could I use someone whom specializes in automotive rebuild ? Thats why the hi techs were a big consideration for me as they were/are considerably easier install. BTW the prop has already been upgraded by the boys at acme, great fellows there. Thoughts Thanks in Advance The Goose |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 4:46pm
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goose,I was the one that put the Hi-Tek deal together,my reasoning was more for the weight than the HP,12 lbs. VS 44 lbs.That was in itself cost effective, how much did it add to my 331 ,don't know!!!!!
MM has a good point ,do the cam,heads and intake first.Then finish the job with an exhaust system. Do a search on Hi-Tek and you will find pics and info to help you make a sound choice. 87BFN gained 400 rpms with a set plus a ignition upgrade.Intake,heads,and a good cam may not give you that. I have no regrets, and would do it again, the painted ones are cheaper. Polished was the way I wanted to go,my stroker deserves the very best, Ask anyone that was at Green Lake how the old girl was running , and I had carb issues that was just recently sorted out.She will pull a 12x14 OJ 5100 rpms........ Idle to 40 in 6 seconds Idle to 50 in 8 seconds Too fast for an old boat that was only ment to go 40.................boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 5:18am
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 12:11pm
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BD you get that trans in yet? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 1:07pm
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'87...got a pic of those teks? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 1:41pm
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do a search on hi-teks , there are some good pics on them ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 2:01pm
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I wanted to see 'em on his 454...I've seen the Boat Dr's and the custom install TRB did...very nice ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-26-2007 at 7:00pm
Posted By: 69 Mustang
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 1:11am
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Boat Dr.
I'm doing 0-40 in about 8.5 seconds (stopwatch and GPS) in a 78 SkiTique with a full tank and 2 people. Original 302 (800 hrs) and a new OJ 12x13, only other mod is electronic ignition. Not bad, I guess? Mike ------------- For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. "Where the **** are we?" Amelia Earhart. July 2, 1937 |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 1:15am
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Speed can be costly,worst drug known to man.Just say NO....boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 1:29pm
Like others have said, money is much better spent on heads and a cam. You can do those for less than the cost of the Hi-Teks, and they will make a bigger difference. I added the Hi-Teks last, as they were the only remaining piece of the puzzle to let my engine breathe. Since you already have a GT40, Im not sure if there are any intake upgrades you can do. The GT40 heads arent too bad either (the P's wouldnt give enough of an advantage to justify swapping them out). I would consider getting a cam and installing roller rockers first. Do the Hi-Teks really make that much of a difference? With the exhaust and roller rockers (which I did at the same time), I gained ~400 RPM in holeshot and ~300 RPM at WOT. Do they really make that much of a difference for the buck? Only you can answer that. ------------- |
the goose wrote:Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 1:51pm
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Goose , have to agree with Tim on all the above ,except the roller rockers.Do not see the need nor the power increase to justify said expenditure.
Maybe because he has them and I don't,there goes that male penis envy thing again... The only person that was in on the group purchase that has not commented is Reid. And I will speak for him; His feedback was not a positive as the other three, he says he lost a little power and some of his upper rpm's.Not being negative towards the product , just did not work well with the package he is running. Reid will you bring us up to speed on your Mustang project and how they have performed likes or dislikes..........boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 2:08pm
I dont think I would buy them new, Doc- $300 is a steep price for 15hp. A good set (FMS/Crane, Scorpion) can be found used for $125-150, in which case I think theyre worth it (obviously). Id also like a set of aluminum underdrive pulleys, but Im having a hard time justifying the $200+ pricetag on those as well. I only recommend the RR's for Goose because he's already got a 310hp MPEFI motor. The heads and intake are already pretty decent. A cam and the RR's would have him pushing 340-350hp. Of course, a prop would be at the top of my list, above any of the aforementioned upgrades. ------------- |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 11:23pm
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Ok, I'm here to comment but unfortunately like Doc said I'm still a little neutral. I was rushed to get them on, and installed them on the engine for the first start up of the year. The engine obviously was in need of a complete tune-up. A difference in my case from the others was I was replacing an already decent set of aluminum manifolds with 4" risers and ported runners (as far as I could reach). I also made no attempts at further tuning gearing directly towards a more free-flowing exhaust. While they are no longer/currently on the blue '69 Mustang I originally planned them for, I will be installing them back on that boat or another very soon. I will certainly report results from that. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-27-2007 at 11:39pm
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Still wondering if those hiteks would do anything for my rig as well. At this point the money doesnt mean a thing, unless they don't make any difference then the money hurts a lot. Somebody should just buy a set and rent them out to those that want to try before we buy..
- ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 12:38am
Excellent idea Joe. I think Billy has that extra set sitting at his shop. How about it Doc? ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 1:14am
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Joe , that is a good idea,Allen will be more than willing to sell you a set at full retail.If they do not work you can rent them out for week-ends,or maybe for summer vacations.
The possibilities are endless, the money as you said matters not. Allen, wants this set shipped to Miami for the boat show in October.Sorry I can't help with your R&R Joe........boat dr Just bite the bullet like we did Joe, after all it's only money......... ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 7:29pm
Posted By: 68sklylark
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:26am
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Boat Dr.
I spoke with Allen earlier this year regarding HiTeks for my Skylark. We blew out the original aluminim maniflods once we go it running this spring. I found some cast iron manifolds but the dump tubes are wrong on them so now we are back to needing new manifolds. Will you please contact me with any information regarding arrangements you have with him. Thank you, Keith McIntyre ksmcintyre@centurytel.net 586-531-5513 |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 9:42am
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87, thanks...and don't you wish they'd standardize the color stripe on the wet exhaust hose? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 3:08pm
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 3:31pm
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decisions, decisions...waste good hose and have 'em match or be frugal?!!? LOL
Your Teks look gooood! though maybe a little smaller on the BB...they'll be the last thing I do 'cause I have at least one cylinder that misses w/o the lead sub in the gas
gotta fix my foundation first! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 3:39pm
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 4:49pm
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A nice roller cam and full roller rockers would help free up some rotating friction and give a noticeable boost in power. There is a lot of drag at the lifter to camshaft area. It works well in street cars with noticeable results. Sounds like a good winter project. ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 5:09pm
Good luck finding roller cam blanks for reverse rotation motors. I know they dont exist for the SBF, not sure you'd have any more luck with a BBC. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 5:36pm
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Ok 85...I'm waiting for you to tell us you know where to get all the blanks we need... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 6:45pm
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I may have been mistaken, I thought I read on the site that Cam Research would make roller cams for RR motors. Maybe this could be done if there was a group purchase. Not many shops are going to perform a special set up for a one off cam. I know roller rockers can help free up some friction. A improved cam would be next but a roller would add some free HP.
I would go rockers, cam (roller preferably), ported heads, intake then exhaust. ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 6:58pm
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85nautiquematt, you thought WRONG.As Tim posted earlier, there are no RR blanks to be had.
TRBenj and I have a lot of money tied up in our motors, this would have been added had the blanks been available. Scott at Cam Research cut my cam,and stated the flat tappets are getting scarce. My 331 block started life as a roller motor,wish i could have kept the set up.............boat dr By all means do your own search,if you can come up with a dozen i will buy 6 myself.Who else wants one, talk is cheap 85,cams ain't.. ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 6:59pm
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 7:13pm
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Is the python LH? I'm guessing so...was told the 425HP 454 was LH. Looks like the cam is the reason.I did some reading(probably not enough), and I realize the rotational shape differences...but why is it? Is there just so little demand?
Pardon my ignorance ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 7:31pm
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Hey there boat dr. I guess I was wrong about the RR roller cams. I will read more carefully in the and do more research in the future as well. But I will say if your going to come off in the tone you did, I won't provide any information for you if I find a RR roller blank cam.. lighten up okay. Forget the roller cam, there's other areas for power. I thought this was a cool site. Maybe not all on it are cool though ? RELAX ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 7:40pm
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 7:52pm
While you're at it do some research on boat dr himself, you'll find out he's a great contributor to the site and liked by all ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 8:03pm
Actually, I have the option to go roller when I rebuild since I have a LH motor. The original plan was to go 393 or 408 when I rebuilt, but Im not in a huge hurry to do so- Im happy with the power Im making now. I think the next project will be to build a 16' boat that will out run your 331 and Reid's Mustang
The Python is LH as are all PCM motors that turn in front of the 1.23 tranny. I assume its easy to find roller cams for LH BBC's. If the HO 454 (425hp) was roller, thats one more piece of evidence that it was a LH motor as well- I dont think anyone has positively confirmed that here yet.
Like Doc mentioned, that would be big news- but Im afraid its just not the case. They can source reverse rotation blanks, but only the flat tappets. If you happen to find a source for the RR roller blanks, just point me towards them- I wont tell the Doc. Unlike Hollywood, I think he's kind of an ass  ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 8:04pm
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85, Let it roll off...the Boat Dr is cool. He's just calling you out. And if you find an answer besides swapping the rotation, please share! If you know the 'rats', some of us would love to hear more. This site is lighter on the info for the 454 as compared to the 351.
87, Woody at SECC told me the 425HP 454 was LH and seemed pretty sure of it My 454 is the RH 330 and it is a 4 bolt main...got a good look when I replaced the pan recently. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 9:48pm
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Tim, I may be an ass, but you will spend a lot of dollars building a boat/ motor combo that will run with either mine or Reids,that red one won't do it........boat dr
I will remember that remark if you need Hi-Teks for that dream motor....Ha Ha ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 10:04pm
I already have a motor that would outrun you, Doc- its just in the wrong boat The '90 is a fine ski machine, but Ill be sure to start with a smaller/lighter/faster hull next time. I'll be sure to make it Ford powered, too- that way, I can swap my current Hi-Teks over if you wont sell me another pair!------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 10:05pm
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 10:12pm
Correct, LH rotation motor = LH prop. I dont think there were very many HO 454's installed in Nautiques. From what Ive read, it wasnt a published option from CC. Not sure if any came out of the factory or if it was a dealer-installed item only. I remember Craig Warner (NECC) said he put at least 1 in. Gottaski's been in a few boats (Ski Nautiques, I believe) that had the HO. ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 10:37pm
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Maybe he can help inlighten us?? ------------- http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/buckethead1236/Barefooter6-10-09002.jpg" rel="nofollow - MY 87BFN |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:11am
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The original plan was to go 393 or 408 when I rebuilt, but Im not in a huge hurry to do so- Im happy with the power Im making now. I think the next project will be to build a 16' boat that will out run your 331 and Reid's Mustang Junior, I will sell my soul to the GL Sheriff's Dept before you outrun me. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:26am
Boat Dr..2nd place is still the 1st loser! ------------- |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:37am
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There were two winners there,the hole shot king and the top end speedster...
Reid had me on top end by a couple of MPH. Noone there had the hole shot I did, Not TRBenj with his high dollar motor and cute exhaust Not Joe with that 408 stroker Not Chris with his built up 351 And the green boat was not in the hunt You were in the race ,but as a spectator only, Reid needed the your extra weight in the rear for that speed hop.......... ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:39am
Cold...hearted. So what does that make 4th place? Loser extraordinaire? ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:43am
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boat dr...If I remember correctly we never had the chance to race, if I would not have messed with my prop, I would have smoked you just like I did "79", well I guess we will have to wait for next year, you guys cant do much more to your boats to make them go much faster, but I can (cam and heads)...see you next year!! ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 5:15am
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geez are we talking sh*t already, can't we all just get along (well till about a month before the next time anyway)... besides I thought I did ok just having my 2hour old motor running...
alright really thats all nonsense I didnt like my 408 being slow at GL at all so I added a marine demon carb, a prop, and since I had a forged crank, rod, and pistons in the stroker I put in a blue bottle as well some people call it cheating.. me I call it insurance... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 5:43am
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Joe...what HP "NOS" are you going to run?? ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 11:28am
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Run it!?! who said anything about running it I just like the looks of it.
I installed an edelbrock kit with 50-100-150 jets that I happened to find in the attic, a holdover from my misspent youth. Can't really run it till I figure out some ignition issues, and grow some larger testicles. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:02pm
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Yes, I can confirm,
I spent many hours is 3 different 2001 with the 454HO, both skiing and wrenching. No BFNs just 2001 with the higher pylon from the BFN, they were all double-secret special orders and they wouldn't put that combination for anyone, one had to be an enthusiast with a good history with the sport or company. These were 53-56 mph boats and all left hand rotation, clockwise looking at the crank pully and 72C trannies. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:27pm
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Now thats a truely collectable 80's boat the only 2001 model I would pay a premium for, and not modify. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:37pm
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Gotta, did PCM put that motor on paper? Tell us more about how it rode/drove please.
Thanks ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:39pm
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Of course I'll let it roll. Some of you are running some good HP, do you have a full length baffle at the crankshaft so in the upper R's your not pulling oil "rope effect" into the crank and slowing it down. There's some free power right there. My background is mainly with Pontiac engines and I don't know the secrets to enhancing Ford power. It can be similar in theory though. It's cool you guys head up the Green Lake - I'll see you there next year - I'm 45 minutes away and just bought a 85 Nautique 4 weeks ago. Had a 84 Nautique growing up on Okachee Lake for 15 years Have you guys run your boats against a Malibu Response yet ? Can they beat a Response in a drag? ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 1:52pm
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85,will look forward to another CC at the reunion, we need more classics...
The game with a boat motor is a little different than a race car.We are trying to build torque, this is what turns the prop.As speed increases it becomes harder and harder to push it thru the water,kinda like "tractor pulling" Props start to lose the ability to "bite" after 5000 rpm's so I try to keep the engine speed down and the torque hi. Ported and polished heads do very little to help on the twisting effort,windage trays and roller rockers/cams also add very little when compared to the cost VS speed........boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:19pm
Did we line up at GL? I dont remember you beating me. I remember beating Reid, '79 and MM out of the hole, but you were nowhere to be found! You may have had me, but I wont concede until you prove it! Reid, my next project will be a 60MPH 16' boat. That wont happen for a while yet, but its next up on the list, right after I get the Tique floating. Notice I said it would outrun your (baby blue) Mustang, which last time I checked did 56-57. Im afraid of what you might cook up next and I want no part of it. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:35pm
These pissing matches are entertaining.  ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:55pm
Kinda reminds me of the Pinto Races. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:55pm
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entertaining is an understatement.
lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:57pm
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don't be knocking pintos. my first car was a 77 pinto station wagon.
------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 2:58pm
Maybe a Response, but I doubt a Sportster. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 3:04pm
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Steadie Eddie's Python BFN will golden shower all of you. ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 3:07pm
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No knock on Pintos.
Racing Pintos - Racing Competition Ski boats. Racing is racing. Knock yourself out and have fun with it. But at the end of the day, a Pinto is a Pinto and a Ski Boat is a Ski boat. Don't take yourself too seriously BKH------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 3:52pm
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Building ski boats is kind like back in the day when guys would spend big bucks stroking their Harleys so the could keep up with 650 Kawasakis.
But it's still fun. Ski boats are like old muscle cars. |
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 4:18pm
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At the next reunion in Green Lake, I'll bring a Malibu Response out there for you guys to pick on. I'll have my brother drive it- we went in halves on the thing. I'd like to see how the Malibu holds up to those built Correct Crafts. My 85 Nautique is stock so it won't hold a candle. Besides and with my wife and three little squirts in the boat it's gotta run smooth. I'm very impressed with the Response -it's just not a classic. ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 4:42pm
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85,there are a lot of boats that are faster, bigger, smoother, but if you bring the Malibu,you ain't got a dog in the hunt.
If you want to play our game , you have to play by our rules.This evens out the playing field somewhat, CC's only!!!!!! Put the wife and kids in that Malibu,and bring it on. We need some new meat on the table. That gives me time to find that extra top end I am looking for,Reid I am ,I can ,I will...........boat dr TRBenj,hope to see you there too.... ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 85nautiquematt
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 5:01pm
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boat dr, take note- I just bought the Correct Craft after a few years away from them. The Malibu is great but just didn't cut it. Besides my bro and I sharing a boat was getting difficult with me having kids. I think you know where my loyalty is at. My kids, wife and me have been out in the Nautique three times in four weeks. Also. note I said my brother would be driving.. I drive CORRECT CRAFTS. Either way - it will be fun to see. ------------- Nothin like the sound of a mid 80's Nautique at mid throttle. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 5:29pm
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They were not monsters out of the hole, with some more grunt than a 351 but not rediculously so. Without a skier load a well tuned 351 could beat it to 30 mph by a little, but not with three deep barefooters.
The std 330 hp 454 would shine in thos conditions, till you needed 40+ mph. Mash it at 40 mph (where a 351 or std 454 wheeze) and you would feel it hard in your back and 50 came real fast as the revs solidly go past 5K on the way to 54-5500. Thee or four abreast footers could maintain 43 mph and still have some throttle left in reserve. They were cammed for mid-top with very large rectangular ports and big valves (canted of course). They could sing at 5K for 20 minutes straight for a long barefoot run, and do that for decades. One has 1500 hours and is still tight. One was further built and had straight 4" pipes, others were mufflered. 850cms DP, never saw the bottom end can't comment on the hardware but I'm sure its stout stuff. The boats behaved at those speed when the conditions were good, but not when the water was irregular However, a Sanger DX11 with a 330hp smallblock merc is really hard to beat as far as speed/hp and excellent wakes. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 5:41pm
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GottaSki, Thank you sir...does anyone know if it was documented? repair manual?
Thanks again ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:06pm
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:24pm
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Hollywood,
Did I miss a post somehwere who has a python in a BFN? ------------- http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/buckethead1236/Barefooter6-10-09002.jpg" rel="nofollow - MY 87BFN |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:47pm
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BFN pylon I think... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:53pm
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"454HP" LH 425hp Pleasurecraft available in a BFN or undocumanted in 2001s. saw one in a powerslot once also. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 7:05pm
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 7:17pm
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72C are longer and even sturdier, 5" output flange., 2-disk reverse and 7-disk forward. Eric may correct the specifics.
I think GM and Pleasurecraft pulled a henry ford and said to CC you can have any rotation you want as long as its LH, because I think its so low volume and GM didn't want to entertain changing a developed and tested assembly, becuase if they fragged, GM would eventualy have to eat the cost, ; as long they were used with the spec'd operating range. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 7:38pm
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 7:47pm
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[QUOTE=87BFN owner] Hollwood wrote
Steadie Eddie's Python BFN will golden shower all of you. This is what I was asking about... QUOTE] Jim you have to look at the post about the mini reunion in NC at Reid's place. Barefoot Eddie sounds like a neighbor of Reid's that has a Python installed in a BFN. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 8:23pm
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Thanks backfoot I have not looked at that post in awhile... ------------- http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/buckethead1236/Barefooter6-10-09002.jpg" rel="nofollow - MY 87BFN |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 10:15pm
87BFN: the 72C Borgwarner tranny for torquier engines as Big blocks and big diesel engines.
 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 12:16am
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 12:52pm
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72 has 3 reverses, you guys couldnt build an engine to blow up one of my modified 71's, had to rattle some chains....
I can squeeze 7 and 6 plates into a 71, and the 72 and even 73 series are out there for the larger props and more torque. the BB use's them for extra insurance depending on application, i see alot of 71"s behind big blocks. the TRS set up uses the same number of plates as the 71 which is 5 frictions and 4 steels. the 72 does use larger planets and a larger input shaft and drum,and the bearing in the rear is a larger max bearing. the plate number is not the only difference ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 12:57pm
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those graphs are generalizations, they dont factor alot of things in such as prop size, plate material, boat size, the biggest thing to worry about is prop size, if your spinning a 20" prop and slam it into reverse something is going to break, with the smaller prop sizes on a ski boat it is not as big of a concern ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 2:01pm
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anymore if your curious about rotations, ZF and BW make whats called a full power forward and full power reverse, if im being redundent let me know, all the newer boats are using these transmissions you can use normal rotation engines and spin the trans either way for forward with out damage to the trans
the zf 450 and 630 are some of the models, also bord warner makes the 5000 series which also can spin either direction. these trannies are available in straight and down angle and come with a offset ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 2:40pm
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Eric, if I read that right...what I would call the regular BW's(10-17 & 10-18) can't be turned around? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |