Cool Videos - Python 502
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Topic: Cool Videos - Python 502
Posted By: Nautique2001
Subject: Cool Videos - Python 502
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 10:45am
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This got my heart pumping. What a beast of a power plant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0txgqVuoBY&mode=related&search= - Python http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAO0iIiRgk8 - Python502 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSnMJebMGDw&mode=related&search= - cool speedo shot Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 12:01pm
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Sounds pretty good. I was waiting for him to bury the speedos, but I guess he got to 47 quick enough. ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 12:10pm
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Yeah, I don't know why he backed off. Sounded like it had a lot more juice left. Clearly it's a 50+ MPH boat. That 8.1 has a lot of get up and go, seeing the speedos race up to 47. It must gobble up the premium gas. I would think there's mods that can be done to that engine.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 12:13pm
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That's a dual exhaust boat, right Tim? I believe it was offered from '99 to '01. Very rare power plant in the 196
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 1:05pm
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A few guys over on PN said the 196 with a Python will do 52-53. Python boats were the only direct drive CC's since '90 to have dual exhausts from the factory. I sent this guy a message- I cant find anyone willing to take a picture so I can see how the exhaust is routed.
Ken, lots of parts out there for big block Chevies- theyre the most popular motor with the offshore crowd. ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 1:15pm
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I never see Python, Ski Nautiques for sale. They must be extremely hard to come by. Too bad CC but that out of the 196 production. It must be an awesome barefoot boat.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 2:08pm
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I've seen maybe 3-5 Python 196s for sale in the last few years. They're out there... ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 2:38pm
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Probably one reason they are relatively scarce was cost new, when I ordered my 99' Air to go from the GT-40 to the Python was a $6k add, or form $36k to $42k. Kept me from getting one.
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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 2:42pm
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That's a lot of money for the extra HP. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 6:56pm
Yeah,but it's ALOT of extra power 
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Nautique2001 wrote:Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-14-2006 at 7:06pm
| It seemed like when I was searching for a "196" as everyone calls them in the 97-01 range there were several very reasonably priced Pythons. They were coming out of the woodwork. I didn't even consider them, but in retrospect I probably should have. I was dead set on the GT40. I heard several bad things about the Python from the loud noise to the vibration to the wake to the uncompromising slalom pull. If I did it all over again, I would have taken a strong look at those two or three Pythons that were for sale at the time. Seemed like the owners coudn't give them away at the time. |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-15-2006 at 10:11am
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The Python weighs 1,200 pounds verse 930 pounds for the 375HP, ZR6 PCM. That's a 270 pound weight difference between the two. I'm sure that causes a slight effect on the wake.
I haven't heard much feedback on the performance and reliability of the 8.1 HO engine. I know it requires premium gas and gobbles it right up. I would love to test drive a SN with the 8.1 HO and the 6.0 to feel the difference. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: PLBC
Date Posted: December-15-2006 at 12:23pm
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I would have like to see the top half of the clamshell take flight. Close it when flying across the lake. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5164&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 99 |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-15-2006 at 12:48pm
No kidding, nothing like using the engine cover as a sail. One of these days he'll show it off and the engine cover will snap off and deep six. Then he'll be on CCF looking for a replacement! 
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: December-15-2006 at 5:37pm
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Power, Power, Power come see Go Go Gorilla Barefoot across the lake !! The Python is an awesome motor !!
Wish I had one 
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Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 4:48pm
| Chirping in here guys for the first time. I own a 1999 196 Python 502. Yes they are extremely rare. Mine was one of two in New England the year I bought it. One of the biggest misconcepttions about the Python is that it sucks gas. I think if you review this http://www.airnautique.com/502.cfm - LINK you will realize that just the opposite is true. As far as it being loud yes it is compared to a GT40 but the tradeoff here is it is dam sexy! Yes the torque is uncompromising but the result is an extremely clean pull. The boat at low weight (ex.Low fuel, one driver and minumal gear) will do 53-54 MPH. When the GT40 starts getting soft in the low to mid fourties the python has a distintive punch left. I did have the dilema of the extra $ for the upgrade when I bought the boat. I preseasoned ordered the bought and got somewhat of a discount. At the time I ratioanlized that this was the first year the engine was offered, the last year for the classic Hull Graphic that had been around for a long time, and also that there probably would not be alot of them around; which is really true because they were only offered for two years. All of the above rationalization has seen it's fruition and I am glad to have a PYTHON even if is only to see people's jaw drop when they ask you what you have for an engine.If you ever get to New Hampshire and it's Ski season look me up and you can give her a rip for yourself. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 5:11pm
And how do you suggest one does that? There is no information in your profile. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 5:12pm
Interesting article, though I believe the recent small blocks (ProBoss, GT40, Excalibur) have all been pushing close to 400 lb-ft (not the 310-320 that was quoted). Its too bad you didnt find this site a few weeks ago- it would have been fun to see that boat at the NE Reunion last weekend. Hollywood has a point- how do we get in touch with you? I work only 20 min from NH. ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 5:25pm
| They had one at Seaworld in the fall of 2000 when I was there. It was all red. It was quick and was a lot louder than your typical SN. |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 5:37pm
I have updated my profile so you can Email me if you want to get in touch. Interesting point about the torque on the newer small blocks; although you will still need the 502 if you want the 510 ft./lbs. of torque.  Maybe I will do the reunion next year. I attended in 1999 the first year they had one in New England. Do they still give away good swag?
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 5:52pm
Where abouts in NH are you located? Id love to get a ride in that Python. You should be aware though- there are small blocks here that will outrun you
The reunion youre thinking of was a NECC or CC event. Keith and other members of this site have organized our own CCFan events that are getting bigger and better every year (the inaugural events were last year). You can read about this year's events in http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7526&PN=1 - Green Lake, WI and http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7980&PN=1&FID=15&PR=3 - New England in the http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=15 - Reunions Forum. ------------- |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 6:04pm
Something tells me they are not stock though 
I've actully thought about juicing mine up too someday. 
I run my Boat on Conway Lake. |
Posted By: 66Skylark
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 8:43pm
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Skiguy,
Post some shots of the boat and motor when you have a chance... We'd love to see it. Lake Conway? You're not too far from where the reunion was held. If the reunion is in Limerick again next year you'll have an easy ride. Tim, Funny that we just talked to Ken about the Python vs. the GT40 this weekend and this thread comes back... After this weekend we were pretty sure we had sold Ken on the GT40. I wonder if the revival of this thread will cause him any second thoughts? Kyle |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 9:54pm
If your lulled by throaty inboard sounds the Python will purr away any secound thoughts. All kidding aside it's all about the Novelty
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Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 10:00pm
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Here's a vid of my rig for Ken to sell him on the GT40. Certainly a wonderful powerplant. Turn up the volume: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7029&KW=422 - M3's GT40 ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-16-2007 at 10:29pm
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Glad to have reserected an interesting topic on HP/Motor size/ and ft/lb. blaa blaa blaa.
My question here is where does the balance lie between speed/tourque and overall skier user performance. The Python was actually brought to the forefront in the beginning as a Ski Flyers engine. The Earlier GT40's just did'nt have the tourque to rail a skier off raised conventional jumps and to maintain a consistent pull at 38+ and up MPH. For the rest of us humans who usually ski in the 32-36 mph range the GT40 and it's cousins is IMO more than adequate. The Python is basically absurd. Although it is certainly nice to have those extra balls for just shear driving fun outside of towing a skier. I would be really interested to hear other folks modfictions of the traditional 350/351 inboard motors because I really can't imagine how ludricous it would be to take a Python and work it out. I'm sure there must be some other links on this forum to this topic and please excuse my ignorance for not having found them yet. Thanks for the welcome here it seems like a great place. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 1:40pm
http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5635 - Joe's 408 Reidp's http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=851 - 302 Rocketship (most of the way down the page) JR_VIC's http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4900 - Hi-Teks and http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5879 - upgraded heads Alan's http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5789 - 351w performance rebuild Doc's http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6583 - 331 stroker My http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712 - top end build and http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6888 - exhaust project Lots of other guys here with fast boats, too- but these threads should get you started. ------------- |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 2:01pm
Thanks for all the great Links. I've got a ways to go to understanding all of that!
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 3:23pm
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I wish there was a similar list for 454 rebuilds/mods!
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 3:30pm
Id be willing to bet that there are more available options for a BBC build than there are for a SBF. ------------- |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 3:48pm
Barefoot Eddie stuffed one of the pythons in his 90 barefoot boat. We got the chance to check it out while at Reid's get together. Nice setup he has there!
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 4:02pm
I may be looking in the wrong place, but what I find is that the 454 is used by speed demons in offshore boats and in high end street rods. My point is that the detailed and task specific advice you guys are so good about giving seems to be short here for the BB. It has plenty of power for me, but I thought it'd be smart to explore efficiency upgrades at rebuild time...roller lifters for example. The trouble is that I don't know all the particulars. I did read in an old thread where '79 advised against cam duration over 112 degrees and that the cam has to be reverse ground...I also saw the discussions on piston/bore clearance...etc Who knows...it may go back just like it left the factory. It's lasted almost 20 yrs now. ...or I could send it to Boat Dr's friend and have a FrankenRat?!!? time and cash flow will sort this out for me ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 5:34pm
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skiguy, many of us are curious on how the exhaust clears the tiller arm. If you get a chance, can you pull up that floor and snap some pictures down there? Thanks! ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 7:04pm
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Buffalo
I don't know sh*t from shinola when it comes to BB454's or how to build them up, but I happen to own one. I don't know if it's possible but my mechanic at our concrete plant, who's pretty good on diesels, says the blower on one of our old Detroit deisels will somehow bolt up to my 454 with some modification. He said that as drool rolled down his chin. Does that sound possible? Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 7:41pm
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Hey Tull,
...down HIS chin? yea, right!
That sounds like a super charger of some kind...maybe with a high rise doghouse?!!? LOL I've seen it said here when discussing distributers going to EI from points to 'bring it into this century' that's all I really want to do with the motor ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-17-2007 at 7:42pm
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What kind of motor is the python?
Found it...is a roller 454 a exclusively a LH motor? http://www.pleasurecraft.com/NewFiles/Python%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: August-18-2007 at 12:25am
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Mmmmm, Python. Skiguy, I will take you up on the offer for a ride in your boat. I searching high and low for a 99 Nautique with a Python. Keep me in mind if and when you sell yours.
I live 30 miles west of Boston. I'd like to meet you by the end of the season. I drove the GT40 last weekend, which was smooth and quick as hell. I'd like to see what sort of punch the Python packs. That is my dream boat. Post some pics if you can, please. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-18-2007 at 1:58am
Ken, if you really want one, create a WTB thread on Nicholls, PN, CCF, and SkiFly. They will come out of the woodwork. I had several Python owners contact me when I was looking for my TSC 1 boat last year and I turned them all down. They are out there, believe me. Ask and ye shall recieve. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-18-2007 at 12:01pm
I did offer a ride but it comes with one or two strings attached. First you have to drive it and then you have to drive it with me skiing behind it The other thing that could be attached is your but on a ski behind my boat!
Speaking of people coming out of the woodwork in the link that I posted with my original post the Author mentioned that there were only eleven 1999 AIR Nautiques with a Python. Anyone know how many 1999 196's there were/is? |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: August-19-2007 at 11:28am
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Sounds good to me, Skiguy. My availability is good in September. I wouldn't mind pulling you, or getting a ski behind it. I'll keep in touch with you. Please post your boat in the diary section, I'd love to see it.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: skiguy
Date Posted: August-19-2007 at 11:44am
Hopefully we will have skiing in September. The way it is going up here this year the Lake may be frozen by then. I looked at the Diaries section and it looks like its all boats for sale. Am I looking in the right place to post my boat, because I am not selling? |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: August-19-2007 at 12:02pm
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You can post your boat in the diary section. Just don't check off that it's for sale. You can sumbit a write-up and pics. Keith will have you up on the site shortly after that.
Looking forward to seeing it! Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |